The Thalmors plan to wipe out the Mundus

Post » Mon May 07, 2012 7:30 pm

Question: In order for the Thalmor to achieve their goals of returning to a pre-creation state, they have to wipe out the races of man in Tamriel. But what of the other continents? I know most of the unplayable races like the Sload, Maomer, and many Akaviri arent men. But do they need to die too? I also recall one of the akaviri races being part man, i think Tsaesci, but i dont remember. Why is it that all of Mundus is threatened by the Thalmor and yet only the races of Tamriel are involved in this conflict? Will victory be achieved by the Thalmor once the tamrielic men are gone, or do they have others to contend with?
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Eric Hayes
 
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Post » Mon May 07, 2012 6:57 pm

Well, it's mostly Talos that the Thalmor want to get rid of, because he is apparently an anchor of reality or something. Tamrielic humans worship Talos, in general. Thus, getting rid of them helps to get rid of Talos. Some theorize that the tsaesci "eating" of the akaviri humans was cultural/political, not physical; if this is true, I am not sure what it would mean for the Thalmor. I doubt any possible akaviri humans would even know who Talos is let alone worship him, but they would still be human.
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Post » Tue May 08, 2012 1:56 am

Humanity must die because men are fragments of Lorkhan. If they make it so that Lorkhan does not exist he will have never existed (because Metaphysics work like that in TES) and thus reality would never have been created and Elves would get to be mindless globs of selfless goo, which the Thalmor thinks would be really really neat.

Talos is a fragment of Lorkhan that looked so much like Lorkhan that a bunch of other fragments of Lorkhan saw him and were all "Lorkhan!" and globbed onto him making him one big-huge Lorkhan fragment. They can't kill him by conventional means, so they've got to convince everyone that he's not that much like Lorkhan so that all the little globs of Lorkhan on him go "Wait, you're just some guy!" and drop off him, and indeed he will be just a guy, because everybody thinks he is.

It's a bit more complicated than that, but that's the gist of it.
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Post » Tue May 08, 2012 3:54 am

Do we even know that men have to die? I'm not buying that line of BS.

Yes, they have to unmake the world, but I see that as more an effort of removing Talos from the Divine and deactivating the towers than going on killing sprees.
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Post » Tue May 08, 2012 5:03 am

The Shorefolk should try to remove Aka from the Divines. First objective, the murder of all elves infecting the seven continents.
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Post » Mon May 07, 2012 8:29 pm

I just really want DLC that allows my lvl 65 Nord to go to Alinor so I can swing Wuthraad around.
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Post » Tue May 08, 2012 5:30 am

Right. Let's beat the Thalmor then wipe out all the elves! Everywhere!

Aren't we a bunch of friggin' hypocrites now?
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Post » Mon May 07, 2012 4:31 pm

Right. Let's beat the Thalmor then wipe out all the elves! Everywhere!

Aren't we a bunch of friggin' hypocrites now?
Its way different...elves are evil, and their brows are disgusting...and its really only high elves, and know one ever really liked high elves anyways
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Post » Tue May 08, 2012 2:06 am

Right. Let's beat the Thalmor then wipe out all the elves! Everywhere!

Aren't we a bunch of friggin' hypocrites now?
To be fair, mer do deserve it. Ysgramor, Shor, and Pelinal had it right.
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Post » Mon May 07, 2012 2:19 pm

I doubt it's that simple. I'm guessing what their plan really amounts too is a series of events that'll lead to the unfurling of Auri-el. One interesting aspect of Aka's Nordic aspect. Alduin, is that he is a worm consistently fooled, time and time again. Even when Alduin does eat the world, there is enough left over to make a new kalpa. When Aka wakes up as Auri-el, my guess is it's curtains for Mundus.
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Post » Mon May 07, 2012 5:56 pm

To be fair, mer do deserve it. Ysgramor, Shor, and Pelinal had it right.
Oh yeah. Even the barely-literate caste-peasant who spends his days picking sparkletubers or glowyapples or betterthanyouneenerneenerneenerbroccoli. Especially that guy.
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Post » Mon May 07, 2012 11:14 pm

To be fair, mer do deserve it. Ysgramor, Shor, and Pelinal had it right.

How do they deserve it?
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Post » Mon May 07, 2012 6:36 pm

Frankly I'm seeing a lot of holes in the Elven plans. They really think that they'll solve all their imagined problems and make themselves gods by committing genocide on man. It sounds more like Aldmeri-typical delusion than a plan that can actually hold water. Even the denizens of Oblivion call BS on them.
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Post » Mon May 07, 2012 10:21 pm

How is daedras not concerned a bunch of mortals are trying to unmake their playground?

If the thalmor unmake the world; wouldn't daedric spheres' die along with it ?
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Post » Tue May 08, 2012 5:44 am

The Daedra have existed before the mortal realm, theres no reason to think Oblivion is tied to Mundus.
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Post » Mon May 07, 2012 6:08 pm

Other than a bunch may lose some meaning and become VERY bored.
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Post » Mon May 07, 2012 6:40 pm

The Daedra have existed before the mortal realm, theres no reason to think Oblivion is tied to Mundus.

But would there even be an aedra daedra distinction if the mundus was never created ? It wouldn't even have meaning anymore.

And the possiblity of humans living outside of Mundus ? The thalmor have to kill them too ? :laugh:
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Post » Mon May 07, 2012 8:23 pm

The only difference between them now is mortal interpretation. Fundamentally, theres no difference between them or am I wrong?
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Post » Mon May 07, 2012 5:32 pm

But would there even be an aedra daedra distinction if the mundus was never created ? It wouldn't even have meaning anymore.

And the possiblity of humans living outside of Mundus ? The thalmor have to kill them too ? :laugh:
There are mortals living outside of Mundus. Take the Shivering Isles, for example. And there are probably other princes that have mortals in their realms.
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Post » Tue May 08, 2012 2:13 am

The only difference between them now is mortal interpretation. Fundamentally, theres no difference between them or am I wrong?
That's pretty much correct.
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Post » Mon May 07, 2012 6:43 pm

The only difference between them now is mortal interpretation. Fundamentally, theres no difference between them or am I wrong?
They are all "Et'ada" the Aedra are just the ones too dumb/weak to escape when Lorkhan pulled his big trick. Currently, the Aedra are only able to act through mortals (who are fragments of them) while Daedra can act on their own initiative.
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Post » Mon May 07, 2012 4:15 pm

well now, if your elvin sure thats the case, but if your a man then their just the benevolent ones who gave themselves to create life. I beleive the Aedra manifested themselves in Morrowind without humans, Mara, Talos and Zenithar i believe.
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Post » Tue May 08, 2012 6:22 am

Well, they did appear as humans in Morrowind.
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Post » Mon May 07, 2012 3:39 pm

Do we even know that men have to die? I'm not buying that line of BS.

Yes, they have to unmake the world, but I see that as more an effort of removing Talos from the Divine and deactivating the towers than going on killing sprees.

Men will not die because men will not be, nor will they be, nor will they have been.
As to the other continents, there is no reason they would know about the Thalmor at all? As far as I am aware.
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Post » Mon May 07, 2012 2:55 pm

Last I recall it call's for both the death of man, physical and spiritual, as its says not only do they have to kill man, but remove him from the wheel of possibility.
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