Because people don't see giant talking statues of the Aedra handing them trinkets and armaments of power for doing random X quest

Indeed.

But you'd think avatars of these individuals appearing and taking down Daedric Lords would convince them otherwise, to some point.

People forget things, that's why they always end up thinking Aedra do nothing and the Daedra does everything, because the daedra are always on everyone's ass mostly directly and love to show off that power, while the Aedra appear when needed or in their avatars for help.

I agree to some extent. Though I don't know how much they would forget about a dragon literally appearing and fighting off Dagon. The Morrowind avatars can be questioned more because they just appeared as mortals; a big ass dragon showing up literally out of the aether is different.

Walter:But Akatosh never writes.

Mostly because what they do normally doesn't affect Mundus on a large scale. Daedra are all flashy and you can't deny their existence. But Aedra's influence is only rarely seen, thus the whole "The Aedra, they do nothing!" thing.

nvm, corrected

Consider that Sithis is negation and Anu is positive. Sithis is also portrayed as death and Anu as life.

What is the one sure thing in life? Death - Humans and mer resist death normally. To resist a change is to attempt to remain the same = static.

Likewise without change there is no Life - Life = energy + the maintenance of that energy. To maintain is to prevent decay = static ...

This is the contradicion - this is Lorkhan. And because Lorkhan is fundamentally contradictory he is also the most complicated to describe. Remember that a contradiction might or might not be an opposite. Thus he might be described as the principal that everything incorporates a core of its opposite. Consider the Oriental symbol for eternity.

Just to clarify.

Nirn's nature being something ever changing always new, also opposed to the nature of the Daedra where it is change until there is nothing left to change. Hence Lorkhans need for the Aedra to create it and the 'First Brush' metaphors.

So basically Sithis isn't capable of doing anything and people preaching about Sithis are basically just talking hot air?
It has no power at all?

Look up the definition of "http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/anthropomorphization" and realize that Sithis has been anthropomorphized to the point that people are giving it a statue and physical appearance.

Worshiping Sithis would be like worshipping any concept, save that "SITHIS" has no avatar to hear supplications. It has no sentience.

Let me list a few things that exist that have no sentience and are not worshipped: gravity, saltiness, worry, slickness, etc.

I couldn't put war, love, justice, fate, or any of the daedric spheres in that list because those concepts actually DO have avatars and personalities.

But Sithis is the absence of anything. We may ascribe a concept to the hole in a doughnut, but there really isn't a "hole", just a place where they didn't put doughnut and the absence is noticable.

Thus we have Sithis. The absence of anything.

I hope this helps and that I haven't just muddied up the waters even more,


___The Word Merchant of Julianos

Actually, I believe it is mentioned that the Aedra are creation and have the ability to create, while the Daedra are change and represent a certain amount of chaos. While this is the case, that means that Lorkhan was in fact an Aedra, not daedra, as he sacrificed much of (himself?) in order to create the mortal realm, as did the rest of the Aedra (the eight).
This however, is probably is not accurate as for a few reasons:

1.) Lorkhan was a Daedra who convinced the Aedra to create the mortal realm. However, that does not explain how he gave his divine energy to the realm, as only the Aedra have the ability to create.

2.)Lorkhan was an et'Ada, but not an Aedra or a Daedra. Perhaps something different. Maybe something more up the ladder of hierarchy that marks the Aedra and Daedra. For example, before there were the greek gods and goddesses, there were the titains. Lorkhan could be a titain.

3.) I know nothing and I am going off of pure speculation when in fact everything I am asking has actual facts written in stone that make me a fool and a moron.

Also, is Sithis the Aurbis? I could think of no better explination of Sithis, because after all, Nir gave birth to the cosmos from the nothingness and chaos that was the Aurbis.

Again, one more thing; I think the main point that we are all trying to come down to is the fact that to have an avatar or a statue of Sithis would be an oxymoron; it would be a contradiction. Anybody ever try to sculpt a statue of nothing? Yeah...kind of hard. Also, to have an avatar would imply that Sithis is a sentient sovreign being, which is not the case. Sithis is the Aurbis. The nothingness from which everything came.

I need some help here sorting out facts and truths.

The Aurbis is a nice big hot soup of sequences and equations.

Anu is the sequence of the equation: 1+1=2 2+1=3 3+1=4 x infinity

Sithis is the sequence of the equation: 0-0=0 0-0=0 0-0=0 x infinity

Nirn, is the introduction not of nothingness, but of limitation into limitlessness.

Anu(Nord Infinite Feet Tall) + Sithis(Nord Limited Feet Tall) = Six foot tall Nord.

You can worship the sun, but that doesn't mean that an eclipse is it winking at you.

Okay, my mistake. Lorkhan was in fact a Padomaic being. Found this at http://www.imperial-library.info/fsg/polycarparticle2.shtml.

Still need some help figuring things out, but I still believe I may be correct about Sithis.

Sithis is starting to become the new CHIM....

Beg your pardon? CHIM...?

Anywho, I believe I see what you're saying. The Aurbis is like the Primordial soup of creation; it is a hotspot of raw material and resources for creation.

Because Sithis is nothingness, the Aurbis cannot be Sithis.

This still isn't sitting well with me. Sithis is nothingness and chaotic and there was nothing before Anu and Padomay created the Cosmos wasn't there? Wouldn't that be Sithis then? Or, was the raw material thing I stated correct?

The Aurbis being the universe means that it is comprised of Anu and Sithis, these two forces ARE the Aurbis, and all things within it.

As for what was around before them? Who knows.

Thanks for the clean up. Much appreciated.

Okay, this has to end. Anuiel-Sithis.

This notion only came about because the Aedra created the mundas and the Daedra changed the Void into their realms. It is not a true representation of their abilities and limitations. The same goes for the "Aedra can die, Daedra can't" stuff.

Well you can understand Sithis as antimatter (nothing, void), and Anuiel as matter (everything). So you can't compare these two with anything.


P.S. I am reading "Angels and Demons" right now, so excuse me if I said complete nonsense

And yet,....somehow...life goes on.

Of course. A life of mistakes. Let's keep going on.

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To answer the original question of if Sithis has any power, according to the Vile Lair Sithis, or some Sithis like being does have power, and thats all I will say about that until the developers make it clear one way or another.

As to what Sithis is lets put it this way, Sithis exists because for the universe to exist Sithis must exist, be it as a sentient being or not who cares? The main point is that Sithis exists as an opposite to something else, such as how humans take in oxygen and expel carbon dioxide, where plants do the opposite. For one to exist the other is needed. Should someone choose to worship Sithis it is in effect no different than almost any religion outside of this game, they all worship an idea and personify that idea. Each also has its own history of prophets just as the Dark Brotherhood has the night mother.

On a final note I add this part to say that my previous statement is not meant to in any way to bash any religion, it was merely an anology to the fact that the central God(s) of our religions have a specific set of traits that their worshipers attribute to them.

I believe the "Sithis" being worshipped by the Dark Brotherhood is actually just an aspect of Black Hands Mephala, who is posing as Sithis and as the Night Mother, taking advantage of the ignorance of mortals. As Sithis itself is more of a cosmic force than a deity.

Very clever of Mephala, but then again it suits her Sphere. She's not in it for the glory, but for her own perverse blood lusts.