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Well, I wouldn't say that the demise of the Tribunal is a bad thing. Of course, the Tribunal won't see it like that, but it's for the better, I think. No mortal should have the kind of power in the Heart - absolute power corrupts absolutely, and all that.

I guess what I'm wondering is whether or not she would have intervened during the whole Landfall thing, if it weren't for Vivec's actions. Did he do something that impaired her ability to manifest in the Mundus? Or, did his actions sour her toward the Dunmer such that she's like "Well, fine, if your friggin' leader is going to flip me the bird, I'll do the same to y'all, too." Minus the colloquial phrases and southern accent.

Even if she doesn't genuinely care about the Dunmer as people, the absence of the Tribunal's influence means she can reassert her presence in the pantheon of Daedra worship by the Dunmer. Therefore, it seems to me like helping the Dunmer through the Landfall crisis might benefit her as well. I could be totally wrong, but it seems possible she'd be inclined to be the new 'savior.' Did Vivec think this as well (he must have known Lie Rock would fall in his absence)? Did his actions prevent Azura from helping the Dunmer during that crisis? And if he knew all that, then 1) why didn't he do anything to mitigate the crisis, 2) if he decided not to help the Dunmer, he seems to have made darn sure that no higher power could help them either.

Hopefully we'll find out the status of Azura in TES V if the devs don't retcon anything. And while it's just speculation, I don't think she hates the Dunmer people or holds too much resent towards them.


His physical absence means nothing. He'll only truly be absent if the people stop believing in him. I say that not knowing what you meant by your statements.

Wish I knew... :/

It's still an annoyance, a discomfort and a setback for her. Even though she can't possibly be utterly destroyed, what Vivec did to her was similar to what was done to Mehrunes Dagon at the end of Battlespire. She was sent disembodied and weakened into the waters of Oblivion, where she has to claw her way in discomfort back to her own realm. This would be painful and humiliating, even to a being of her power.

The Genie from Aladdin has a wonderful saying about this type of thing. "you'd be surprised what you can live through"

But...she'll still be fine, soooo....

I'd say, that for a being of her power, that this would be VERY humiliating. Even more so than the other Lesser Daedra that go through it.

Azura did keep Sul in her realm for quite some time, ended up breaking a deal with him by keeping him against his will, and now occasionally haunts him. Reason? She liked him as her plaything a lot. I'm glad that Keyes portrayed her the way he did.

:lol: That's pretty funny. She's like a cat - toys with people, no loyalties, can turn on you in the blink of an eye.

Now that statement just got me thinking. She's the big mama cat, and the khajiit are her kittens, literally and metaphorically.

Her treatment of Sul reminds me of Kamunyak, the lioness that adopted a baby oryx. I can't find any good quality clips (that are also in English) on Youtube. It airs on Animal Planet every so often. There's a less entertaining article about it here: http://www.lewa.org/oryx-lioness.php. Only a vague similarity.

Here:

The Mane is Azura-ine.

What do you mean exactly? "-ine" as in "Nerevarine" ("an incarnation of") or as in "Shezzarine" ("the one who mantled to become the same")?



Allow me to rephrase:

What?

Now that's got me thinking. What if the whole Nerevarine thing had nothing to do with Nerevar's soul, and was actually about manteling Nerevar? Given that most of the mortals on Nirn probably don't understand manteling mechanics, the only way to understand the phenomenon would be to say that the Nerevarine is "Nerevar's soul reincarnated." :unsure: Maybe?

Seeing as she still exists in a corporeal form, the Mane can't be an incarnation of her. Don't really know how you could mantle Azura.

More or less a title of Azurah's greatest servant.

Don't Daedric artifacts have a bit of the Daedric Prince's soul/blood? What if the Mane was a living artifact? That is, Azura has some of her soul/blood put in with the regular soul that goes into a Mane. Would/Could that be a possibility?

Interesting idea. I haven't read enough about it to dispute that idea.

That should be no obstical, and I see no one better, to be Azura's servant, than Azura herself.