[Manuela Ribeiro Pereira]

I think after the current war the Yokudan Empire won't be able to invade anyone. Except maybe Skaven. Their reduced forces will be required to spread out to keep a grip on the conquered city-states. Plus Roxanna's death is going to cause some internal strife. As Darth Traya said, to be united by hatred is a fragile alliance at best.

[!beef]

I'm not bringing it up. Attitudes like "Did you even pay attention to KSS" does. Again let's speak more pleasantly from now on. Deal?

Well i don't know how many casualties Sentinel would have Crimson, if things end in more peaceful terms. My question is if I have the Dominion attack Anticlere...what's Sentinel going to do?

[Steve Fallon]

I think after the current war the Yokudan Empire won't be able to invade anyone. Except maybe Skaven. Their reduced forces will be required to spread out to keep a grip on the conquered city-states. Plus Roxanna's death is going to cause some internal strife. As Darth Traya said, to be united by hatred is a fragile alliance at best.

I'm digging the KOTOR reference. I agree with you on this point. Their operations after forcing the Knights of the Nine to withdraw should probably be focused on conquering the rest of the city-states of Hammerfell that are still independent, and I really don't think they'll still have the force to fight the Cyrodiilic Empire or invade High Rock with all of that internal strife going on.

Also, Wooly, it would help all of your points if you were less confrontational.

[Charles Mckinna]

I think after the current war the Yokudan Empire won't be able to invade anyone. Except maybe Skaven. Their reduced forces will be required to spread out to keep a grip on the conquered city-states. Plus Roxanna's death is going to cause some internal strife. As Darth Traya said, to be united by hatred is a fragile alliance at best.

This. Despite "winning" they hardly captured any major treasuries, aside from Taneth (and I assume they'd gain control of Rihad's as well) and there's no way they can financially support that many troops for long. Maybe Skaven, like you said Crimson, but that would still be a long shot too IMO. I don't even feel that the YE has much momentum, seeing as how they got stalled at the river for so long, then would have had to stand around a siege for at least another month, if not longer.

I'm not even talking about casualties either. I just don't think they can support all those men when they didn't really capture many cities.

EDIT: Also, I agree with you Solidor. It's all discouraged me from taking part in the next RP.

[Lindsay Dunn]

This. Despite "winning" they hardly captured any major treasuries, aside from Taneth (and I assume they'd gain control of Rihad's as well) and there's no way they can financially support that many troops for long.

I can pretty much guarantee you that Terentius stole Rihad's treasury on the way out.

[Channing]

I can pretty much guarantee you that Terentius stole Rihad's treasury on the way out.

That's what I would figure tbh, but I figured someone would find that somehow preposterous. So only the treasury at Taneth, and with how many troops they have to pay, along with everything else I don't see external invasions as a plausibility.

[Adam Porter]

Why, though, would the Dominion decide to attack Anticlere, considering it's quite neutral indeed, has offered no active resistance to the Dominion when threatened, is aligned with the Yokudan Empire which is still officially the Dominion's buddy and offers the possibility of trade between Alinor and Solitude despite their 'hate your guts' relationship through being the middle man? Especially when this same Dominion isn't much better off than the Yokudan Empire might end up, what with being bogged down in Elsweyr and having pissed off every neighbour ever, as well as having a potentially precarious internal situation between the old fashioned conservatives with the Thalmor at their lead and the fueled up Beautiful on the complete opposite end of the spectrum.

[Euan]

Aye, PFA. I just don't see the "let's have people just attack stuff to make plots". Those types of RP's aren't motivated and don't RP out well.

[Farrah Barry]

Tidus has a message:

To IB: Wooly did not come and tell me what you were saying or anything of the sort, as a matter of fact it was the opposite if you insist on seeing it as some go around, back-room shifting. I simply asked him if he had read your proposal yet and pointed out that it doesn't concide with anything we've begun establishing for the Yokudan Empire. He didn't come to me and tell me, you posted in our general discussion fourm for everyone who clicks on the link to see, if you have a problem take it up with me over PM. Story and I have been litterally working on this over the cource of years, ever since the end of SoS, and the idea has remained essentially the same. (granted it wasn't consistant since we've both been out of touch over time, yet our ideas and memories remain rather consistant. )

In response to 'What if the Dominion invades Anticlere' then I'm certain he would act in a mutual defence, but invade High Rock? Not likely. Theres far too many factors to consider rather than 'would he do this or that' because as I'm sure you noticed, the Yokudan Empire isn't really established as an absoloute monarchy and echo's that of feudal Japan. Sure, Haroun as Elden Yokeda commands a great deal of power and say, but its his Yokeda's that provide the armies.

At this point, I would pose the a reverse question of 'can the Dominion invade'? I'd say no. Dominion influence has been resisted and their fighting a bitter stalemate in Elsweyr thats lasted years and they've yet to secure any kind of great diplomatic or military victory in recent years. With Haroun established as the premier power on the Illiac Bay and their alliance with Anticlere (and the Dominion and the Yokudan Empire are on good terms at that, and have been for years as well) puts the Dominion in direct conflict with the Yokudan's, who by now have a rather ferocious reputation.

To everyone else speaking about the Empires ability to support troops, their financial stability ext. To even speculate about that we would have to have a deffinate end result for the war and would require you to have an in depth understanding of the Yokudan Imperial system. Troops are for the most part levies, and if you notice there nots really much of a proffesional army save for Imperial Army. The others are little more than bans of militia attempting to become a real army. Bomilkars forces are almost all tribals and milita as well, who only picked up fighting when war broke out. Theres no grand standing army.


Now as for talking for others, its not your choice when I asked him to post for me. Thats really not even in your right to demand. If I ask Wooly to post for me, it doesn't concern you or anyone else for that matter. If its a matter of disbelief that I asked him to, then please, respond again in kind and I will give you my cell number and I'll tell you personally. I've done a deal of speaking for you in the past IB when you were not readily available, if you demand respect you should repay said demand in kind. As I've said to Wooly, we should simply put on smiles and put our differences aside, all this has been is one knee jerk reaction after another.

[Kate Norris]

Why, though, would the Dominion decide to attack Anticlere, considering it's quite neutral indeed, has offered no active resistance to the Dominion when threatened, is aligned with the Yokudan Empire which is still officially the Dominion's buddy and offers the possibility of trade between Alinor and Solitude despite their 'hate your guts' relationship through being the middle man? Especially when this same Dominion isn't much better off than the Yokudan Empire might end up, what with being bogged down in Elsweyr and having pissed off every neighbour ever, as well as having a potentially precarious internal situation between the old fashioned conservatives with the Thalmor at their lead and the fueled up Beautiful on the complete opposite end of the spectrum.

Well the neat thing is we haven't really set in stone anything of the inner workings of the Dominion quite honestly. All we know is they are motivated for recreating the old glorious Elven Empire etc.

Aye, PFA. I just don't see the "let's have people just attack stuff to make plots". Those types of RP's aren't motivated and don't RP out well.

Like SoS.

Tidus has a message:

You've completely misunderstood the intent of what I was saying again but nevermind.

To get to the point of the RP, for the record the Dominion isn't all that "bogged down" fighting the Khajiit. It's the same situation of off and on skirmishes that the Bosmer and Khajiit were having before, but this time with no Legion and the Dominion is backing one side. Let's not make it out to be Vietnam. Anyway it was just an idea since the Dominion already had intentions over High Rock. Nothing in Cyrodiil is looking very interesting at the moment. The Valenwood/Elsweyr border probably offers more. I had wanted to do a sort of Apocalypse Now river adventure sort of thing a while back that is also possible now.

[Eileen Müller]

Like SoS.

To get to the point of the RP, for the record the Dominion isn't all that "bogged down" fighting the Khajiit. It's the same situation of off and on skirmishes that the Bosmer and Khajiit were having before, but this time with no Legion and the Dominion is backing one side. Let's not make it out to be Vietnam. Anyway it was just an idea since the Dominion already had intentions over High Rock. Nothing in Cyrodiil is looking very interesting at the moment. The Valenwood/Elsweyr border probably offers more. I had wanted to do a sort of Apocalypse Now river adventure sort of thing a while back that is also possible now.

Not SoS genius. Like Hammer and Anvil, the damn thing that didn't work. I thought they were bogged down, or at least that's what it was. After all, we determined a while back the Dominion could not invade High Rock.

Apparently we're all idiots who don't understand anything you say.

[Kate Schofield]

If this bickering continues between you two, IB and Wooly, then I'm leaving until both of you are long gone from the timeline. I'm tired of listening to it, end of story. So stop acting like twelve year olds and act like real men.

[Sylvia Luciani]

If this bickering continues between you two, IB and Wooly, then I'm leaving until both of you are long gone from the timeline. I'm tired of listening to it, end of story. So stop acting like twelve year olds and act like real men.

It's not just me and him. Did you read the thread or the last few posts?

[Melissa De Thomasis]

Wooly why do you keep starting stuff? Do you think calling people "genius" sarcastically is helping us? Honestly...

[lucile davignon]

I said stop it. If I see another post about this crap, I'm gone. Period. No if's and's or but's. It stops now or I leave.

If you want to argue then don't involve the other members of the timeline and do it in private.

[JESSE]

I'm really not arguing I really just want to make this work...don't take my comments as anything other than that. I said I didn't see a point for the KSS RP to go on, now that i'm leaving the timeline.

[Andy durkan]

Last time I checked you started this, here we go again.

Blame someone else, act like your clean, get caught in a lie, and then say we're unintelligent because we never understand what you are trying to say here. Maybe if you went and looked at your personality type (because you have the same type as me, believe it or not), people like us think other people aren't as intelligent because they don't understand us, but the truth of the matter is, we don't always get our point across in the best way. The difference is you're always throwing dirt on me, which is exactly what Tidus said, because he completely agrees. And while you do that and I may respond to you, I can't control how you want to handle different situations, so I really just don't care because I can't change anything you say.

The point is, everytime someone doesn't agree with you, they don't "understand", I don't "understand" why you think everyone doesn't "understand". We do understand, but at the same time, we completely disagree with you.

[мistrєss]

It was nice RP'ing with all of you. I had a great time while it lasted and I definitely enjoyed the majority of it. All of you are exceptionally well RPer's, some of the best I've ever met, and I wish you luck with continuation of the Timeline. For now I'm going to take an indefinite hiatus and may or may not return in the future. I hope that I'll get to RP with you guys in other places.

Thanks for the fun times guys.

[Dylan Markese]

Immortal, if you're leaving. Leave. If you're not, say you aren't and stay.

[darnell waddington]

Well, I can't really blame Asapp for his decision. The bickering gets tiresome. Can't you guys just resolve this over PM's or MSN or something?

[Jaylene Brower]

It's not just me and him. Did you read the thread or the last few posts?

No. The difference between me, Crimson and Tidus discussing the ability of the YE to make more war has been good-hearted (I hope ). You and IB keep sniping.

@Tidus: If the YE is in the majority using tribals and levies then honestly I don't see the siege of Taneth going as smoothly anymore. If you have a majorly levy-army, you can't keep them standing in the same place for months on end, and that's what a siege is, even if you have cannons. And if they are levies then I can't imagine even once the walls break down, that an assault would go over well in street-to-street fighting with battle-trained knights.

And even if they are just levies, it still costs money to keep them in the field, fed and paid even if they are meager wages because they haven't gotten any loot so far, only death, suffering in camps and being away from families and farms for weeks.

I hope no one freaks out now. I'm trying to keep an air of friendly discussion here, although I know my ideas don't need to be taken seriously because I've chosen to drop out of future RP's. I just like the discussion

[Sophie Payne]

I'm not sniping. I was sincerely trying to resolve it. Accusations on top of accusations with no backing is all I get in return. All I did was suggest a plot and what I got in return was attitude. Just because i'm pointing this out doesn't mean i'm arguing with the guy.

[Abel Vazquez]

I think it'd be interesting if the Siege of Taneth failed (at great cost to both sides and leaving the city in ruins), but nonetheless had enough of an effect to persuade the Church to pull the Knights out, kind of like the Tet Offensive. It'd also result in some tension between the Knight Commanders and the church leadership (Commander Terentius gains nothing from the war and Commander Vario is forced to abandon the people he protected).

[Maria Leon]

Further yet it could spur a Knightly coup of the Imperial City from the inside...

[Kahli St Dennis]

I think it'd be interesting if the Siege of Taneth failed (at great cost to both sides and leaving the city in ruins), but nonetheless had enough of an effect to persuade the Church to pull the Knights out, kind of like the Tet Offensive. It'd also result in some tension between the Knight Commanders and the church leadership (Commander Terentius gains nothing from the war and Commander Vario is forced to abandon the people he protected).

Well since the YE is mainly levies (I must have missed this) it's entirely plausible that this scenario is possible I think. They can blast all the holes they want in the walls, but when it comes down to it, levies can't stand up in the narrow streets of a city to heavily armored knights. And I'm still of the opinion that you can't keep a levy-heavy army just standing outside walls waiting to starve the city into submission.