[Benji]

Why don't we just RP it out instead of speculating about what would happen. That would be easier, imo.

[AnDres MeZa]

Yes, because if the last 2 months have been any indicator, that should go smoothly.

[D IV]

Wouldn't mind doing a siege. Lucretia and her mercs plus a few of my characters helping defend. We all got the background story out of the way, now the focal point.

[Michelle davies]

Alright, sounds good, we can do Story's idea where it is a few weeks after and roll with that if the rest of you guys don't mind. Should be fun.

[Rachel Briere]

Better be the most awesome-est siege ever then!

[Eilidh Brian]

Ech, I hate not being able to post from my phone anymore.

I think it'd be interesting if the Siege of Taneth failed (at great cost to both sides and leaving the city in ruins), but nonetheless had enough of an effect to persuade the Church to pull the Knights out, kind of like the Tet Offensive. It'd also result in some tension between the Knight Commanders and the church leadership (Commander Terentius gains nothing from the war and Commander Vario is forced to abandon the people he protected).

The only issue with that bit is, in the spirit of good old fashion competition, I don't think you guys could beat us Theres simply no way I myself would agree to such a decision without being actually bested. We aren't auto-resolving a battle of Rome: Total War here.

Well since the YE is mainly levies (I must have missed this) it's entirely plausible that this scenario is possible I think. They can blast all the holes they want in the walls, but when it comes down to it, levies can't stand up in the narrow streets of a city to heavily armored knights. And I'm still of the opinion that you can't keep a levy-heavy army just standing outside walls waiting to starve the city into submission.

Aye, sticking true to Hammerfell lore there's no real professional army in Hammerfell. Whenever the need for a fighting force has ever arisisn it came out of militia's and levies. To have a true blue profesional army isn't really characteristic for anyone aside from The Empire, since standing armies aren't really needed. What I'm most shocked about is why you seem to think that in a siege situation that the knights have any real advantage at all.

First off; The Knights are strangers in a foreign land with no real supply route other than the sea, one of which is now completely dominated by the Yokudan Imperial Navy. The only port city is Rihad, which has been under blockade since the outbreak of hostilities, while Taneth and Roseguard have docks likely via fishing villages but nothing in the way of a true blue sea port, limiting their line of supply to a narrow strip of land. Rihad itself thrives off sea trade, and Anvil effectively blocks their only land route to the East, which puts a further supply damper on the Knights getting anything from Cyrodiil. On the other hand, the Yokudan Empire controls the regions bread basket and the thriving port cities of the Illiac Bay, which provides them an almost limitless supply of cash flow, food and supplies compared to the Knights. I can't imagine any reason the Knights would be in a position to win a war of attrition. I think you can safely put a check mark on the Empires ability to supply and fund armies compared to the Knights of the Nine.

Second; When it comes to fighting forces, the Knights have a limited supply of well trained warriors, and once their gone there is little to no chance of them getting an effective pool of reinforcements save for local conscripts, who I would argue are even of less quality than their Yokudan counterparts. Next off, while the Yokudan's don't boast a well trained professional military force, they are full of very experienced warriors. I'm confident that one desert nomad has more combat experience in his little finger then any of the Knights of the Nine, who've only been back into existence for a few years; in fact the only conflict the Knights of the Nine have effectively been in since their rebirth is the War of the Wolves where they were effectively beaten. On top of all that the Yokudan's have numbers if anything else on their side (as well as Anticlerian Loan's who are in the process of training the Yokudan Army.) When it comes down to the fighting itself and guerrilla warfare (say fighting block by block) I don't see how the heavily armored knights would be able to outmaneuver the more nimble Yokudan's who know not only the land but the cities better than any of the Knights. The Knights advantage lays in an open field, where they can use their superior troops to their fullest extent. That won't be achieved in a drawn out siege where they face a numerically superior army with an uninterrupted flow of supplies and reinforcements.

Honestly the Yokudan's have all the time in the world to tear the Confederation down where the Knights simply do not.


Now if we get into superiority of artillery, well there's simply no competition. The Yokudan's cannons are equivalent to 12 Pounders, not bombards of the early Turkish Ottoman Empire. Sentinel's cannoniers have had ages to perfect their cannon technology and execution. Taneth's walls are really no obstacle and neither would a slow, advance under constant artillery fire which would, hopefully, suppress and devastate any Knightly counter attack or defense. The way I envisioned it was a turning point in how warfare was to be fought, where it become far more gridder and bloody then ever before. That was my hope for the Battle of Irk, but since we never finished that it could easily be applied to the siege of Taneth.

Now, my good Blademaster, please point out exactly where in a drawn out siege that the Yokudan's are at a disadvantage?

You've completely misunderstood the intent of what I was saying again but nevermind.

In all seriousness, I'd really like to know what your intent was then. I certainly seem to be 'misunderstanding' just about everything you say to me during a disagreement, and if it is but s 'misunderstanding' I would like to know what it is I'm not getting. Either here or through PM, which ever floats your boat, however it's been coming off as rude, snotty and generally arrogant on and off the forum.

[Angelina Mayo]

It would definately be an interesting RP. I'm up for it: still going to go with my Altmeri agent I had planned and a legion officer.

Does anyone want to do some gang violence in the waterfront between the crime lords of the Imperial City?

I'm sure there was a gang orientated RP a while back set in the waterfront but we just didn't get enough members for it to take off.

[Aaron Clark]

I'm sure there was a gang orientated RP a while back set in the waterfront but we just didn't get enough members for it to take off.

I agree with IB on this bit, we're simply getting too many side factions and plots to effectively make things work. It certainly was a contributing factor during KSS if I do say so personally.

[glot]

In all seriousness, I'd really like to know what your intent was then. I certainly seem to be 'misunderstanding' just about everything you say to me during a disagreement, and if it is but s 'misunderstanding' I would like to know what it is I'm not getting. Either here or through PM, which ever floats your boat, however it's been coming off as rude, snotty and generally arrogant on and off the forum.

Its better not to let our emotions color the tone we're reading. But ok. I can do that for you.

[ashleigh bryden]

I guess I just find it hard to believe that so many levies would willingly stand around a siege for any drawn out amount of time. It's quite a demoralizing thing, but I supoose if many are veterans then there is no problem. I recede in the awesome presence of Tidus, Eater of Souls.

[Kahli St Dennis]

I guess I just find it hard to believe that so many levies would willingly stand around a siege for any drawn out amount of time. It's quite a demoralizing thing, but I supoose if many are veterans then there is no problem. I recede in the awesome presence of Tidus, Eater of Souls.

If their just standing around what would really be the issue? A professional army would be more costly and demanding to keep in the field rather than a bunch of levies would it not? and given (my force at least) is mostly nomads its not really any different a life style than what they normally live from the looks of it. Next time bring soy sauce though, your soul was a little dry

[vanuza]

I see your point Blade, but keep in mind they just killed the Forbear Queen. I doubt they are too happy with it and I also doubt the Crowns are happy as well. Haroun wants to piss on Terentius' body.

[RAww DInsaww]

Nautical routes aren't the only supply routes out there. Aside from the obvious land route to Taneth from Rihad that would become more commonly used with the naval blockade, it's perfectly possible for the Knights or Confederation to construct a few pontoon bridges (or perhaps even a permanent standing one) over the Brena River to County Kvatch, bypassing Sentinel's and Anvil's blockades. From there they could construct a supply line to and from Skingrad and the nearby headquarters of the Order. In addition, the Yokudan supply lines are vulnerable to being strangled by the Altai and Blademaster's mercs.

The other issue I'm seeing is experience. Yes the Knights are a recently newly created organization. But no, that does not mean that everyone has at most 3 years of experience. Most people who joined the Order were already experienced soldiers or knights. Most probably fought in the Oblivion Crisis or one of the several subsequent wars. And while Nomads do live lives that naturally toughen them up, they're not uber soldiers. They're hunters, gatherers, and occasional guerilla skirmishers. In a city siege, their guerilla expertise isn't nearly as applicable.

There is one last issue: it seems implausible that Sentinel would have so much time to perfect cannons all the way to the 18th century yet the rest of Hammerfell, especially the Forbear cities, don't think of ever developing fortifications to handle cannons. Especially in the wake of the War of the Wolves.

Oh, and don't underestimate cavalry. Even light cavalry can and has successfully overrun artillery up into the mid-19th century.

[Christine]

Nautical routes aren't the only supply routes out there. Aside from the obvious land route to Taneth from Rihad that would become more commonly used with the naval blockade, it's perfectly possible for the Knights or Confederation to construct a few pontoon bridges (or perhaps even a permanent standing one) over the Brena River to County Kvatch, bypassing Sentinel's and Anvil's blockades. From there they could construct a supply line to and from Skingrad and the nearby headquarters of the Order. In addition, the Yokudan supply lines are vulnerable to being strangled by the Altai and Blademaster's mercs.

The other issue I'm seeing is experience. Yes the Knights are a recently newly created organization. But no, that does not mean that everyone has at most 3 years of experience. Most people who joined the Order were already experienced soldiers or knights. Most probably fought in the Oblivion Crisis or one of the several subsequent wars. And while Nomads do live lives that naturally toughen them up, they're not uber soldiers. They're hunters, gatherers, and occasional guerilla skirmishers. In a city siege, their guerilla expertise isn't nearly as applicable.

There is one last issue: it seems implausible that Sentinel would have so much time to perfect cannons all the way to the 18th century yet the rest of Hammerfell, especially the Forbear cities, don't think of ever developing fortifications to handle cannons. Especially in the wake of the War of the Wolves.

Oh, and don't underestimate cavalry. Even light cavalry can and has successfully overrun artillery up into the mid-19th century.

Horses are more bodies to feed. Keep this in mind. If Taneth is surrounded (It's kind of on a river surrounded body by itself), no one is getting supply through there, and I'd like to see someone try to bypass Anvil's blockade. It's not easy to just simply "run" a naval blockade, and while I don't think the Yokudans would exactly mop up with the knights' bodies, I do think that it is plausible for the populace to uproar after a few days, seeing that they are already split heavily (especially in Taneth) and with THAT many guns bombarding the city at once, there would be much death and destruction. If the knights come out to fight the Yokudans, they are also outnumbered and probably screwed, and the Yokudans have people on the inside of Taneth, another factor to consider.

If the Knights want to stand and guard the walls, they could, but they'd also be getting hit by cannon fire, even if it was bombards. The Yokudans have enough soldiers to rotate on watch with sleep at day and night, while the knights would be the ones getting nailed by cannons at a constant rate, especially when a portion of their troops are still chilling in Rihad. Sieges usually went VERY slow------until gunpowder artillery was introduced, then they were sped up at quite the rate when the enemy army had a large number of guns. Though these armies were slower, the walls were basically worthless. The knights would be outnumberd and outgunned, and in the end they likely wouldn't have any choice but to surrender, or fight to the death if they thought Haroun wouldn't kill them - which he certainly would.

I can see Terentius being a bastard and taking the transporter out, while Crimson's guy stays and fights honorably with his soldiers and dies a noble death (just my opinion). Taneth goes down and is left in a wake of destruction, then the Yokudans march to Rihad and the Knights pull out just before they arrive. Haroun decimates the forbears their disloyal to him out of anger, which causes internal strife within the Yokudan Empire and makes him appear as a fierce, dark ruler.

^That's what I see happening from the current situation.

[bimsy]

Nautical routes aren't the only supply routes out there. Aside from the obvious land route to Taneth from Rihad that would become more commonly used with the naval blockade, it's perfectly possible for the Knights or Confederation to construct a few pontoon bridges (or perhaps even a permanent standing one) over the Brena River to County Kvatch, bypassing Sentinel's and Anvil's blockades. From there they could construct a supply line to and from Skingrad and the nearby headquarters of the Order. In addition, the Yokudan supply lines are vulnerable to being strangled by the Altai and Blademaster's mercs.

The other issue I'm seeing is experience. Yes the Knights are a recently newly created organization. But no, that does not mean that everyone has at most 3 years of experience. Most people who joined the Order were already experienced soldiers or knights. Most probably fought in the Oblivion Crisis or one of the several subsequent wars. And while Nomads do live lives that naturally toughen them up, they're not uber soldiers. They're hunters, gatherers, and occasional guerilla skirmishers. In a city siege, their guerilla expertise isn't nearly as applicable.

There is one last issue: it seems implausible that Sentinel would have so much time to perfect cannons all the way to the 18th century yet the rest of Hammerfell, especially the Forbear cities, don't think of ever developing fortifications to handle cannons. Especially in the wake of the War of the Wolves.

Oh, and don't underestimate cavalry. Even light cavalry can and has successfully overrun artillery up into the mid-19th century.

County Kvatch, being disputed territory and a rather lawless and barren land isn't really ideal for a continuous supply line, not to mention you have to go directly by Anvil and Anvil controls the Berna River on the Cyrodiilic side, as my map shows that no one has bothered to challenge since its conception. During the RP Story has mentioned several dispatch's about organizing troops to move against Skaven and the Altai, putting them in no real position to send enough raiders to really disrupt the Yokudan supply lines, which would become more heavily guarded now that the Altai have entered the war as an aggressor. On top of that, we know Blademasters mercs are there, and assuming we reach it all the way to Taneth its rather unreasonable to think we would just ignore them before moving on. If we were to do a siege, would it not make since for them to have fallen back? even with them the Yokudan Empire has more then enough manpower to adequately protect its caravans and keep any pesky raiders busy, who have no direct line of support other than living off a land that they know nothing about.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't it made clear that the Knights were actually a minority among the Confederation forces? sure they have elite units but again, the Knights advantage lays upon the open field, and if it comes down to a fight for block by block, I think the Raga's ability to blend and fight a continuously successful guerrilla war is going to win out against the knights. I'd love to play it out, as I said in the spirit of good competition, I'd rather be bested in the RP then be cheated out of a honorable defeat or decisive victory by saying what could be or what might have been. Your right though, their not uber soldiers, but their natural warriors who have a long history of war and fighting, particularly in the conditions of Hammerfell where as the Knights have a decisive disadvantage of being in land that's not particularly friendly or familiar.

Next on the list is the cannons. Sentinel's gunpowder days can be traced all the way back to Tiber (I believe their were exploding barrels in Redguard) and cannons are referenced in Daggerfall yet cannons were solely a Sentillian thing. They weren't wide spread enough to really influence how other cities dealt with them, and in the War of the Wovles they were used only for the defence of Sentinel. Theres not really anything the other cities could do to prepare against a Sentillian army of cannons because none of the others have been forced to withstand a siege by Sentinel and there fore couldn't know what to expect. Not to mention, I don't think the War of the Wolves allows enough time for the Rihad Confederation to reorganize its entire city to withstand a cannon bombardment.

Finally, I don't underestimate cavalry, but the fact that in a prolonged siege the numerically superior Yokudan army isn't going to just stand outside the city without constructing siege works. You would have to effectively cut through our siege to get to the cannons and the Yokudan's have learned quite abit from the Imperial Siege of Sentinel during the War of the Wolves.

[Ludivine Dupuy]

I have an idea! A most wonderful idea! a most prosperous, generous and articulate idea!

Battle.Royal.

[Carlos Rojas]

I'll finish playing out my characters if you all decide to finish the siege. It wouldn't be right for me to leave you all hanging like that and i'd really like to make some progress on Rithe and Rayden so that if I do decide to participate in the next RP then I have a plot to start with.

I was talking to Tidus last night about this whole timeline thing and me leaving. I feel as though this isn't the timeline I joined two years ago. This used to be the premier series of RP's on the BGSF. When I first joined I saw all of you as the elite of the elite, the best the forums had to offer for roleplaying. That's why I joined, because the timeline was deep, structured, fun, and most importantly civil.

In circlet ignited I remember getting into a few arguments with Solidor, however we managed to resolve them and as far as I can tell we have no grudges or ill feelings towards each other. What's been going on in the timeline and the things that members have said about other members in private to me is appalling. I'm almost ashamed to consider myself part of this as long as people are acting like uncivilized children.

Deciding to leave was hard, but I won't be apart of something that I'm ashamed of. Now if we can all agree to act civil to one another and treat each other with the respect that a human being deserves then I would be more than happy to return to roleplaying with you guys.

Now can we all agree to be civil and return the timeline back to what it once was?

[BlackaneseB]

In circlet ignited I remember getting into a few arguments with Solidor, however we managed to resolve them and as far as I can tell we have no grudges or ill feelings towards each other. What's been going on in the timeline and the things that members have said about other members in private to me is appalling. I'm almost ashamed to consider myself part of this as long as people are acting like uncivilized children.

I don't really remember any arguments? However, i'm saddened to read whats bold in the above quote, we're a bunch of people writing fiction as a group effort, sometimes its taken far too seriously.

[Shiarra Curtis]

Just as a disclaimer, I hope that we all can consider this to be as good-hearted as Blademaster described.

What I don't get is this assumption that the Knights in Rihad and Roseguard are going to just sit there and wait during the whole siege. There are enough of them to either open a supply line through even County Kvatch or reinforce Terentius' guys. That Anvil claims the Brena River is irrelevant unless they've actually been digging in to prevent the Knights from getting through, and even then it wouldn't be hard to bypass them.

And no, the Knights are not actually the minority. And yes they are strangers to the Confederation, but so are the Yokudans soldiers and nomads. And if anything, the Knights would command much better knowledge of the layout of the city than the invaders and a better rapport with the locals, especially if they have aid from the Taneth militia and city guard. Even if there are Yokudan agents inside the wall, they can't magically give knowledge of the city's layout to the invaders. Assuming they don't get caught and tortured by the Inquisition.

Now, for the record it really bugs me that Sentinel somehow has 18th century cannons that remain a secret recipe from the rest of the world and the recipe can only be found in Hammerfell. It's probably more than anything because I'm butthurt that I've not found a viable excuse to re-introduce steampunk technology into the Timeline. I'll try to keep that out of my arguments. At the Irk Bridge, IB's guys showed that sloped earthen ramparts are not only existent in Tamriel, they're very effective against cannon fire. I think it would be the same at Taneth. It'll be even more effective considering Taneth has mages to counter-bombard the Yokudans artillery or flood fill the ditches with fire. And there are enough mages to rotate just like the cannons and their crews. How long can the Yokudans sit there while fire is raining down on them? How long can they sit while they're drenched by a monsoon while their soaked cannons sink into mud (I figure if the Psijics can summon a storm to sink a fleet, enough lesser mages can summon rain)?

I think it'd be cool to have the mini Imperial City RP going on while the Knights and Yokudans are still fighting in Hammerfell, rather than after it's resolved. One of the immediate issues could be the war: should Cyrodiil pressure the Knights to withdraw, or could they take advantage of the conflict to annex the Confederation (which I wouldn't put Terentius past promising in exchange for aid)? They'd gain both Taneth's and Rihad's treasuries and gain a port city on the west coast. And they know that the Knights wouldn't dare oppose them.

I think this RP was doomed to fall into arguing by the very thing that kept it going for so long: it was free form, non-linear, very wide open, and pitted RPer against RPer. It pitted pet faction against pet faction, with both sides scrambling to appeal to the rule of awesome and the rule of cool and most importantly, not get wiped out. Unfortunately, when it comes to its logical conclusion there will be hurt feelings.

I liked Circlet Ignited too, but I fear that had it continued on as long as KSS, it would have eventually created conflict as opposing sides oppose and thwart each other's machinations.

[JD bernal]

I don't really remember any arguments? However, i'm saddened to read whats bold in the above quote, we're a bunch of people writing fiction as a group effort, sometimes its taken far too seriously.

The arguments we did have weren't very major and I think were mostly over what happened with Caldera and the mine. Which now, when I look back on it, you were right. What we pulled was kind of bs, of course at the time I didn't know any better because it was my first RP and I was just going with the flow.

And I agree. I won't mention names or specifics, but there were many unkind words directed towards different individuals from others. This isn't a game or a competition, this is a story with multiple authors and nothing more. I'm trying to set that atmosphere with my own RP at the moment and get the point across that its not a competition to see who wins, but a story that requires every party to win and lose at some point in time.

I think this RP was doomed to fall into arguing by the very thing that kept it going for so long: it was free form, non-linear, very wide open, and pitted RPer against RPer. It pitted pet faction against pet faction, with both sides scrambling to appeal to the rule of awesome and the rule of cool and most importantly, not get wiped out. Unfortunately, when it comes to its logical conclusion there will be hurt feelings.

I liked Circlet Ignited too, but I fear that had it continued on as long as KSS, it would have eventually created conflict as opposing sides oppose and thwart each other's machinations.

But even in Circlet Ignited we dealt with things slightly different. Arguments were short and not very heated, most of the arguing was rarely brought into the thread except for a few instances, and everyone got along with each other just fine. Even if CI had remained active past two threads I think that we could have kept it under control relatively well. Even though there were multiple factions pitted against each other none of it was open conflict for the most part. The main idea of the RP was to see how the great houses could survive the OB crisis while still maintaining political power in a way that did not endanger the house more.

[Laura Samson]

The arguments we did have weren't very major and I think were mostly over what happened with Caldera and the mine. Which now, when I look back on it, you were right. What we pulled was kind of bs, of course at the time I didn't know any better because it was my first RP and I was just going with the flow.

And I agree. I won't mention names or specifics, but there were many unkind words directed towards different individuals from others. This isn't a game or a competition, this is a story with multiple authors and nothing more. I'm trying to set that atmosphere with my own RP at the moment and get the point across that its not a competition to see who wins, but a story that requires every party to win and lose at some point in time.



But even in Circlet Ignited we dealt with things slightly different. Arguments were short and not very heated, most of the arguing was rarely brought into the thread except for a few instances, and everyone got along with each other just fine. Even if CI had remained active past two threads I think that we could have kept it under control relatively well. Even though there were multiple factions pitted against each other none of it was open conflict for the most part. The main idea of the RP was to see how the great houses could survive the OB crisis while still maintaining political power in a way that did not endanger the house more.

I remember now, I was happy to lose the mine aslong as I had some part in the RPing of it IIRC. Thats probably my strongest point with Timeline RP's. I dont mine my characters being killed off or losing, i've always thought that writing about downfall is more interesting than uprising, it's just a shame I never get the opportunity because I'm so damn fabulous.

[Dan Stevens]

For the reasons Tidus mentioned, the Yokudans would almost certainly win the war and the siege of Taneth. Honestly, I'd resigned myself to the idea that the Knights would lose from the start, and I've been fine with that the whole time. After all, as Asapp says, this is just a story with multiple authors, not a competition. Someone has to play the losing side, and there's some glamor and fun in that as long as you go down with a fight.

I am open to a siege of Taneth mini-RP. I could kill off Aventurnus (I've been trying to set him up with a sad death scene for a while), although Terentius wouldn't be there. After all, the Count of Bravil's liver can only take so much, and Stanet is next in line for the throne. The Ordo Hereticus will find out about his lack of faith soon enough, and he'll be forced to step down as Knight Commander.

Of course, as Count of Bravil, he'd have plenty of opportunity to advocate for the destruction of Anvil in the Elder Council...

[Ben sutton]

You guys are killing me, I have always been blunt and have never really shied from telling someone they were being an ass hat. However I kept it all in pm because I feel every post better have substance. What a waste when the Timeline is pitted against each other. It truly makes us look extremely unappealing to potential roleplayers who are looking from a friendly group like we used to be known for. We were all a family.

IB, your plot for Highrock being invaded by the Yokudan Empire and Elysana and the two being pitted against the other did indeed go against what the Yokudan Empire has been working for. I won't speak for the dominion or Wayrest, but the Yokudan Empire has absolutely no ambition of expanding anywhere in Tamriel besides Hammerfell. The only other lands they'd put their eyes to would be the remnants of Yokuda. Haroun himself has no ambition to do anything but focus on his people, his country, and the Empire's infrastructure. Security, infrastructure, and traditional Ra Gada culture are his top concerns in that order. No where in there does he care about Tamriel. He is a staunch Ra Gada who is loyal to his people's old ways and wants to see a return to it.

Also, on the topic of simple plans to cause rp and interaction. I disagree that wars will do that. Hammer and Anvil had Verlox and I questioning why we would go to war, it just didn't make sense at the time. If the Dominion were to invade Anticlere, Haroun would reply in kind. But he would only do it in defense of his friend and ally's lands. "A invading B so C reacts" is not the formula to success, as a matter fact it looks like everyone here is more excited about these interaction roleplays more than anything else, the Elder council rp has everyone excited. I like to think its because they are interested in having characters plot and interact together with all the fluff, letter writing and in depth character drama that you feel would lead to stagnant roleplaying, because it was all of that I had a great time with in KSS.

Blade, let me answer some of your questions, my iphone is a pain but i'll try to reply to what I can remember you being concerned with. About a week has passed since Bomlikar arrived at the Irk river, IIRC, not much time has been passing at all. The bridge was well fortified and to be honest we had so many other plans in motion that the goal was to get everyone to think our main effort was the Irk bridge. It wasn't a matter of us not having momentum, a super fortified bridge with armies on every side can set even the most steadfast juggernaught back a bit. Im pretty sure we have 38,000 something of the Imperial Army at the Siege as well, not just the nomads. Even so the nomadic tribes are very unique in Hammerfell society and culture and aren't like the average conscripts you'd fine, take into consideration their Khan's younger sister was just killed and they'd be fueled by honor and blood feuds to go wage war. Killing the pale skins who they hate and the repealing them and the Gods they represent wouldn't exactly challenge their beliefs or work against them in motive.

Gah Iphones svck

I'll do the mini-siege of taneth if thats what the majority wants...(tries to use that as excuse for not posting fanfic ending this morning)

[Sammi Jones]

Why don't you post the fanfic ending and we'll see if we want to do the siege after all?

At the very least, can you PM it to me?

[Greg Swan]

For the reasons Tidus mentioned, the Yokudans would almost certainly win the war and the siege of Taneth. Honestly, I'd resigned myself to the idea that the Knights would lose from the start, and I've been fine with that the whole time. After all, as Asapp says, this is just a story with multiple authors, not a competition. Someone has to play the losing side, and there's some glamor and fun in that as long as you go down with a fight.

I am open to a siege of Taneth mini-RP. I could kill off Aventurnus (I've been trying to set him up with a sad death scene for a while), although Terentius wouldn't be there. After all, the Count of Bravil's liver can only take so much, and Stanet is next in line for the throne. The Ordo Hereticus will find out about his lack of faith soon enough, and he'll be forced to step down as Knight Commander.

Of course, as Count of Bravil, he'd have plenty of opportunity to advocate for the destruction of Anvil in the Elder Council...

I should probably state now that I'm getting emotional. I don't mean to offend and I'm sorry if I do.

I don't mind losing. I do mind getting half the army that Squid and I spent so much time working on getting wiped out at relatively little loss to the enemy out because an allied spy it would be cool to screw things up spectacularly. I do mind that you can't so much as hit something with magic more than 300 meters away someone with a fireball without people calling BS. I do mind the fact that neither the Yokudans' atrocities will forever go unpunished, the the most Cyrodiil can hope for is destroying Anvil for its betrayal. And I do mind the fact that it's implausible that nobody can or ever will have anything that can be made to counter Sentinel's cannons and its uber army of nomads. And if I prove myself otherwise in the future, I'll be called out as ubering.

I'll be honest, I really, really do not want to kill off the very first character I created for the RP. I want him to live to lead the Knights another day, as someone whose ideals have been smashed into little pieces and who blames himself for the failure in Hammerfell.

By the way, I understand Terentius led men into an Oblivion Gate. Does he still have the Sigil Stone?