[Tikarma Vodicka-McPherson]

I should probably state now that I'm getting emotional. I don't mean to offend and I'm sorry if I do.

I don't mind losing. I do mind getting half the army that Squid and I spent so much time working on getting wiped out at relatively little loss to the enemy out because an allied spy it would be cool to screw things up spectacularly. I do mind that you can't so much as hit something with magic more than 300 meters away someone with a fireball without people calling BS. I do mind the fact that neither the Yokudans' atrocities will forever go unpunished, the the most Cyrodiil can hope for is destroying Anvil for its betrayal. And I do mind the fact that it's implausible that nobody can or ever will have anything that can be made to counter Sentinel's cannons and its uber army of nomads. And if I prove myself otherwise in the future, I'll be called out as ubering.

I'll be honest, I really, really do not want to kill off the very first character I created for the RP. I want him to live to lead the Knights another day, as someone whose ideals have been smashed into little pieces and who blames himself for the failure in Hammerfell.

By the way, I understand Terentius led men into an Oblivion Gate. Does he still have the Sigil Stone?

Sorry, man. If you'd wanted more troops from our budget, I would have given them to you. Towards the end, Terentius' forces were near you, too, so we would have at least been able to fight together, but the whole thing fell apart before then. I had the spy kill Roxanna at the request of Tidus and Story, and most of us wanted a war instead of a peace settlement. I really don't think the two of us and IB ever really stood a chance simply because there were so many people on the opposite side who wanted to win as badly as you did (and much more than I did).

There's no reason why Vario has to die. We still have that teleporter, don't we? Just have him step through and into Rihad, and then he can go lead a guerilla war.

Terentius led men into multiple Oblivion Gates, and he has multiple Sigil Stones to show for it. If one of your characters needs one for some reason, feel free to blackmail Terentius for it (or just buy it).

[Janette Segura]

Sorry, man. If you'd wanted more troops from our budget, I would have given them to you. Towards the end, Terentius' forces were near you, too, so we would have at least been able to fight together, but the whole thing fell apart before then. I had the spy kill Roxanna at the request of Tidus and Story, and most of us wanted a war instead of a peace settlement. I really don't think the two of us and IB ever really stood a chance simply because there were so many people on the opposite side who wanted to win as badly as you did (and much more than I did).

At this point I think it'd be better for everyone to have as few knights in Taneth as possible. More disproportionate enemy casualties that way. Heck, it'll probably be best to have as few people in Taneth as possible.

Terentius led men into multiple Oblivion Gates, and he has multiple Sigil Stones to show for it. If one of your characters needs one for some reason, feel free to blackmail Terentius for it (or just buy it).

I think he'll be willing to donate one when he realizes what it'll be for.

[Ludivine Poussineau]

At this point I think it'd be better for everyone to have as few knights in Taneth as possible. More disproportionate enemy casualties that way. Heck, it'll probably be best to have as few people in Taneth as possible.


I think he'll be willing to donate one when he realizes what it'll be for.

PM me your plan.

[Agnieszka Bak]

I should probably state now that I'm getting emotional. I don't mean to offend and I'm sorry if I do.

I don't mind losing. I do mind getting half the army that Squid and I spent so much time working on getting wiped out at relatively little loss to the enemy out because an allied spy it would be cool to screw things up spectacularly. I do mind that you can't so much as hit something with magic more than 300 meters away someone with a fireball without people calling BS. I do mind the fact that neither the Yokudans' atrocities will forever go unpunished, the the most Cyrodiil can hope for is destroying Anvil for its betrayal. And I do mind the fact that it's implausible that nobody can or ever will have anything that can be made to counter Sentinel's cannons and its uber army of nomads. And if I prove myself otherwise in the future, I'll be called out as ubering.

I'll be honest, I really, really do not want to kill off the very first character I created for the RP. I want him to live to lead the Knights another day, as someone whose ideals have been smashed into little pieces and who blames himself for the failure in Hammerfell.

By the way, I understand Terentius led men into an Oblivion Gate. Does he still have the Sigil Stone?

Hey Crimson, I appreciate that out of everyone who has gotten emotional you have done it without resorting to ad hominem arguments. I will say that I don't have much issue with the range of magic or level of magic when dealing with an appropriately powerful mage behind these things.i don't think anyone said anything about the Yokudan atrocities going unpunished, as a matter fact Im sure the opposite was said. A lot of problems within the Yokudan Empire are going to rise up because of Haroun's reaction, but also keep in mind he has the most powerful military in Hammerfell, where most others have no army but a minor militia instead. So at first it will be conspiracies against him, his most ruthless transgressions will not be against the confederation either. In Chasetown, an Imperial-allied city, during SoS, the Imperial legion burned it down beheaded children, women and elderly and placed their heads on pikes. These were Ra Gada, but forebears who welcomed the Imperials.

The Empire never faced much political issues with such events. Im not saying since they did it that way, we will to. I actually stated there will be issues that Haroun's ruthless dealings (especially Bomlikar) with the confederation and its lands that will cause many problems. But also keep in mind its not a politically correct "Sorry we didn't kill you nicely" world. Haroun plans on completely dominating the confederation into submission.

No one ever said you cannot devise plans to build or fortify against cannons, just that prior to the war of wolves, Sentinel's cannons were never moved around Hammerfell for conquest. No other city felt the need to be protected against them. Thats not to say other nations cant start fortifying themselves incase they feel the YE is on their way.

And the barca nomads being warriors is who they are, they are not uber. They are experienced veterans from the war of wolves, wars against other nomad tribes and the Yokudan Empire's enemies. Same with the Ayuub and any powerful tribe in the Alik'r. its a rough life filled with fighting.

And I told you before, your character does not have to die. Nobody's does. Thats why I devised the church of mara situation, if the knights are recalled only the confederation's military has to be dealt with. The YE won't be marching into Cyrodiil.

I'm not going to sit here and lie to you though bud, part of the big reason why support is so stacked for the Yokudan Empire is because its future has been mapped out for years. Its near and dear to my heart and I feel the Knights would gain almost nothing from staying in the confederation and lose almost everything.

[Cassie Boyle]

Most importantly if we are going to do this siege is to outline who exactly is the "ranking guy" on each side for the sake of organization. To be honest it's really starting to sound very interesting to me and the possibilities are great. Character wise I personally just want Lucretia and her mercenary force, and Serosi with all his baggage.

[Emily Shackleton]

As I said before, I can live with the Yokudans winning. Right now, the issue I'm see right now is this idea that the Yokudan Empire can wipe out 20,000 defenders in a city without losing around half of their army in the process. In the streets, the nomads and Yokudan soldiers won't blend in, they won't know the layout of the city as well as the Knights, and they won't be able to effectively coordinate guerilla attacks. Their cannons won't do much good inside the city. They're going to win, but it'll be due to superior numbers and bloodlust. Nobody on either side wants to lose half their army in one battle. Right now I'm trying to think of an excuse to move most of the Knights out of Taneth so neither side needs to suffer it.

[Allison Sizemore]

Crimson, I completely understand where you are coming from. As a fellow RPer, if your man is in a situation where he's about to die, I'll allow him a way. I like my characters as much as yours and everyone should expect the same from everyone. Some characters are killed by plot devices, and every one must have their end. It is more glorious to die in battle than to die in peace (at least for a plot line, as for personal preference, I'll take peace). If your character dies, it will be because you made that decision. We won't force you into that.

Most importantly if we are going to do this siege is to outline who exactly is the "ranking guy" on each side for the sake of organization. To be honest it's really starting to sound very interesting to me and the possibilities are great. Character wise I personally just want Lucretia and her mercenary force, and Serosi with all his baggage.

Sounds great man. I'll leave Arethan in the city, and have Ruhk, Sobotai and Ali with the Redguards. I will RP Kurush along side his father. And I assume we will make a new thread and call it "Siege of Taneth", to mirror Siege of Sentinel?

Anyways guys, I'm glad we decided to do this. It'd be a shame to leave Roxanna dead and have nothing to show for it afterward.

[Chloe Mayo]

Expect Aventurnus to be there. Maybe Swims too, if I can find a role.

[Mason Nevitt]

Thank you Story, you have eased doubt from my mind. Tidus may be the Eater of Souls, but you are Lord of Time and Space (or something).

Everyone just pretend my mercenaries disappeared. Dumb.

[Sarah Edmunds]

IB, I'll need you to play as Aryon one last time as well so that we can possibly wrap this Rithe vs. Mephala thing up. That way I can continue the plot I had planned next time we visit Morrowind. I hope that's not too much of a problem for you.

[sw1ss]

I should probably state now that I'm getting emotional. I don't mean to offend and I'm sorry if I do.

I don't mind losing. I do mind getting half the army that Squid and I spent so much time working on getting wiped out at relatively little loss to the enemy out because an allied spy it would be cool to screw things up spectacularly. I do mind that you can't so much as hit something with magic more than 300 meters away someone with a fireball without people calling BS. I do mind the fact that neither the Yokudans' atrocities will forever go unpunished, the the most Cyrodiil can hope for is destroying Anvil for its betrayal. And I do mind the fact that it's implausible that nobody can or ever will have anything that can be made to counter Sentinel's cannons and its uber army of nomads. And if I prove myself otherwise in the future, I'll be called out as ubering.

I'll be honest, I really, really do not want to kill off the very first character I created for the RP. I want him to live to lead the Knights another day, as someone whose ideals have been smashed into little pieces and who blames himself for the failure in Hammerfell.

By the way, I understand Terentius led men into an Oblivion Gate. Does he still have the Sigil Stone?

No need to freak out my friend, none of that should be an issue. There's no reason at all for your man to end up getting axed unless you put him directly in a situation that results in his death. That however has always been a sticker for the Timeline; Don't become to attached to a character because he/she may end up dead. I've certainly lost characters, (RIP Roxanna/ Hector) but its just part of the game. Like story said, I don't know why you'd think the Yokudan's would go unpunished or anything, We've tried pretty hard to create repercussions for our own actions though what they are may not be crystal clear right at this moment.

As for the Cannons and Nomads; I do believe you beat an ambush of my nomads and I've done absolutely nothing to portray them as uber, If I have please point it out to me so I can correct it ASAP because in my mind at least, I've done an overly well job of keeping my army as realistic as I possibly can, including movements/make-up/racial tensions ect. The cannon bit I don't quite get either, since Serosi managed to penetrate my camp and detonate a massive supply of black powder that devastated our camp and at least for the now hindered our cannons almost completely. Honestly, don't be afraid to tell me that I'm ubering if I am, but I don't see how I am, though it may just need to be pointed out to me

What I don't get is this assumption that the Knights in Rihad and Roseguard are going to just sit there and wait during the whole siege. There are enough of them to either open a supply line through even County Kvatch or reinforce Terentius' guys. That Anvil claims the Brena River is irrelevant unless they've actually been digging in to prevent the Knights from getting through, and even then it wouldn't be hard to bypass them.

Given Squids men are already in Taneth's territory that only leaves Roseguard to cover the breath of the land between Taneth and Rihad, unless that is Squid's men and the garrison at Roseguard withdraw or partition their forces to create this safe passage from Rihad to Kvatch. Now as for Anvils claim, I think your overlooking that they've had plenty of time to strengthen and consolidate their holdings, and I can't imagine that they would do anything but that given their position. Verlox made it clear that Rihad was Anvil's principle rival and its only logical to me that they would secure the vital border and trade route through the Berna River. The Knights would have to come into direct conflict with Anvillian forces to carve a secure supply route from Cyrodiil into Rihad's territory, and then that only creates a demand for more men to guard against Anvil.

And no, the Knights are not actually the minority. And yes they are strangers to the Confederation, but so are the Yokudans soldiers and nomads. And if anything, the Knights would command much better knowledge of the layout of the city than the invaders and a better rapport with the locals, especially if they have aid from the Taneth militia and city guard. Even if there are Yokudan agents inside the wall, they can't magically give knowledge of the city's layout to the invaders. Assuming they don't get caught and tortured by the Inquisition.

Now, for the record it really bugs me that Sentinel somehow has 18th century cannons that remain a secret recipe from the rest of the world and the recipe can only be found in Hammerfell. It's probably more than anything because I'm butthurt that I've not found a viable excuse to re-introduce steampunk technology into the Timeline. I'll try to keep that out of my arguments. At the Irk Bridge, IB's guys showed that sloped earthen ramparts are not only existent in Tamriel, they're very effective against cannon fire. I think it would be the same at Taneth. It'll be even more effective considering Taneth has mages to counter-bombard the Yokudans artillery or flood fill the ditches with fire. And there are enough mages to rotate just like the cannons and their crews. How long can the Yokudans sit there while fire is raining down on them? How long can they sit while they're drenched by a monsoon while their soaked cannons sink into mud (I figure if the Psijics can summon a storm to sink a fleet, enough lesser mages can summon rain)?

Cannons: You realize that cannon's evolved from its first known designs in China to Napoleonic Era variation in less than 450 Years right? 423 years actually to the 12 Pound Variant we're using and the Septim Empire alone has lasted 433+ Years. The time frame for the development of cannons matchs up pretty damn well if I say so myself, and the fact that the Raga are for the most part anti-magicka that only insists to me that they would attempt to develop a more practicle way to counter the use of battle mages on the field of battle, only spurring the advancement of the cannons. The secret recipie thing isn't far fetched at all either, given that there exists a secret encoded recipie for a type of gunpowder (it doesn't do what it should) thats only been decoded within the 20th Century. I'd say the ingrediants part isn't much an issue as just no one really knows what the Raga use to make the powder with. As for why other havn't adopted it (aside from the totally plausible fact that it could be encoded and kept secret) is likely because it isn't used enough to be spread and likely only carried by wind of rumors until it was witnessed during the Siege of Sentinel. Not to mention mages have been a traditional, versitile and very powerful mobile weapon of mass destruction and Sentinel's cannons would likely not be seen as a worth while investement to the Empire or neighboring powers when they could train battlemages, who have a wide variety of uses.

Cannons didn't make a field appearance until recent years, meaning no one has seen them in action against walled settelements and thus no viable way to counteract their barrage (yet that is) which gives the Raga a distintcive advantage that they've been striving for years to obtain. In all reality, I think it matchs up pretty well considering the advantages and disadvantages between our two factions.

Magicka: As I mentioned before, Magicka is versitile and covers a wide variety of uses that can be as helpful as healing to as destructive as fire and lighting storms. However, you also have to take in account that magicka doesn't just affect the person its being shot at, but its user and even the enviorment. Say we dig trenchs around Taneth and prepare for a long drawn out siege and you attempt to flud the trenchs with a rain storm or soak our cannons out of use. If it was me, I'd respond by ordering planks constructed to provide a solid platform for the cannons to fire upon and canvas over the cannons to shield them from the damp as well as drainage ditchs for the trenchs. On the flip side a constant rain is going to affect the city, its health, your mages as well as the ecosystem. If the region is not used to a consistant down poor you may drown your cross, ect.

Say now you respond in kind with barrage of fire balls. Your still limited to what you can see less you just fling them about randomly, where as the cannons only need a spotter and general coridance to rain havoc, even if its not well zeroed in. Cannon crews can rotate, are generally more plentiful and easier to come by than battle mages who have to maintain a consistant magicka pool to continue the barrage, and once you kill a battle mage their far harder to replace than a cannon crew, in my humble opinion.

[Blessed DIVA]

As I said before, I can live with the Yokudans winning. Right now, the issue I'm see right now is this idea that the Yokudan Empire can wipe out 20,000 defenders in a city without losing around half of their army in the process. In the streets, the nomads and Yokudan soldiers won't blend in, they won't know the layout of the city as well as the Knights, and they won't be able to effectively coordinate guerilla attacks. Their cannons won't do much good inside the city. They're going to win, but it'll be due to superior numbers and bloodlust. Nobody on either side wants to lose half their army in one battle. Right now I'm trying to think of an excuse to move most of the Knights out of Taneth so neither side needs to suffer it.

Ever hear of the phrase 'A whif of grapshot'? Cannons in the streets are deadly effective. Again, no one is implying were going to just whip out your men with minimal casualties, and I assure you my friend, its not bloodlust and numbers that will win the day, it will be strategy.

Also, I forgot to include this bit -- I can't seem to wrap my head around why you think the knights in their short stay would know anything more about the city compared to men who have traded, fought and mingled for era's. Rihad has been famed for its slave market (just ask Barenziah) and the Barca have made frequent trips down the coast to sell slaves from defeated tribes there. The guerilla attacks don't even need to be coordinated, most gorilla actions aren't and thats the point. You would be fighting an enemy spread throughout the city who is able to blend and strike at any moment. Surely your not gonna tell me the knights can identify a member of the Barca tribe from any other Raga peasant if they get into the streets.

[Tasha Clifford]

IB, I'll need you to play as Aryon one last time as well so that we can possibly wrap this Rithe vs. Mephala thing up. That way I can continue the plot I had planned next time we visit Morrowind. I hope that's not too much of a problem for you.

Let me know what is needed exactly and i'll get to it. Or perhaps we can have it wrap up within the siege itself?

[yermom]

Ever hear of the phrase 'A whif of grapshot'? Cannons in the streets are deadly effective. Again, no one is implying were going to just whip out your men with minimal casualties, and I assure you my friend, its not bloodlust and numbers that will win the day, it will be strategy.

Honestly, we've pretty much already lost the battle if there are cannons in the streets.

[DarkGypsy]

Let me know what is needed exactly and i'll get to it. Or perhaps we can have it wrap up within the siege itself?

That's what I planned to do. Maybe we could have Aryon GTFO of town and take them with him (Rithe, Rayden, and whoever else decides to go) to finish piecing Rithe's soul back together. That way we could leave the small details of what happened to be decided in the next RP.

Also, Crimson did you get my PM about the Siege?

[Heather beauchamp]

Concerning the cannons Tidus...would you say that since the Redguards have never used field artillery with their cannons, that perhaps their developments would go more toward caliber and other concepts for the cannon rather than mobility? Napoleon's thing was mobile artillery if I remember correctly but that also came from a tradition of mobility. Just my 2 cents in for others to consider.

[Amanda Leis]

Your absolutely correct IB, field cannons are a brand new thing and are for the most part just the naval riggs with wheels on them.

edit: I always imagined the war with the Confederation marking a new movement of ideas, tactics and fighting style for both side. The Knights, win or loose will go home with a better understanding of how to fight the Yokudan in future battles and may even influence their further campaigns. At least thats what I intended to try to imply with Solmn and Bomilkar.

[Marina Leigh]

Ok well once we've decided whats going on and when, some one PM me and let me know. I'll be writing up an RP idea and adding to my fanfiction until then.

[Christine]

Sure Solidor, I'll shoot you something.

Alright, so, not that it matters much, but what are the casualties of the war coming up to the Siege of Taneth?

[Javaun Thompson]

So if were in agreeance on doing a Siege of Taneth, I would be love to get started on say a battle map. A map of Taneth and its surrounding area's including our troop positions and defenses ext would help out in the long run if were considering this to be the breaking point in the war, and something I would be more than happy to draw out.

OR If people want to just move on, I'm wildly a fan of doing the Cyrodiil RP during the Siege of Taneth. Personally I think that adds a pretty cool backdrop.

[Bedford White]

I'd actually like to see this finish up for the Siege. SoS was great but I didn't think it ended as well as it should have. First things first I have an idea of who will lead Sentinel's side, but what of the Knights? I have some things that need to be discussed so who will "officially" step up and be that guy?

[tegan fiamengo]

I'd actually like to see this finish up for the Siege. SoS was great but I didn't think it ended as well as it should have. First things first I have an idea of who will lead Sentinel's side, but what of the Knights? I have some things that need to be discussed so who will "officially" step up and be that guy?

Lets get this all figured out right away guys.

Who is leading the Knights faction overall, and what events will have happened? How long would everyone like this to take place from the current time in SoS?

[jodie]

Lets get this all figured out right away guys.

Who is leading the Knights faction overall, and what events will have happened? How long would everyone like this to take place from the current time in SoS?

I think it should at least be long enough so that the slums district is cleaned up a little and any bodies recovered and perhaps entering into a rebuilding effort. As for leadership of the Knights as a whole, I think Crimson or squid would be more deserving of it than I.

[electro_fantics]

What's gonna happen to the Divine Crusader?

[Marine x]

If no one wanted it I could take lead role of the "Taneth faction" and everything linked to that would fall under that. I have some ideas.

I'd be curious to know what numbers we're going to be playing around with. I don't want to make giant army sheets and that sort as that always seemed to be more fun for the writer than the reader. But an estimate would be alright. From what I was told the Sentinel side has roughly 70,000 men total.

Edit: As for length...maybe a month or so to have each side settle in?