[Trent Theriot]

Not sure, but it seems like a good time for me to kill off Aventurnus.

It's just that as it is, Taneth has enough defenders that if they fight to the death (which Haroun and Bomilkar will be guaranteeing), the losses will likely cripple both sides.

[dav]

My whole idea is that the current RP just doesn't have enough steam and never moved at a reasonable enough pace to finish. My whole idea was to shift all the written lore we have into the Skyrim age since it's the most recent and a hellava lot more interesting than anything Oblivion left with us. I just don't want to force anybody or act like i'm taking my ball and going home.

One thing I really want to do is create a much more grim image of Skyrim. Skyrim moved in the right direction from OB which seemed almost cartoonish but I don't feel like it's quite there. I want to give it more of a dark age/nightmare sort of feel. Like this werewolf plot in the college of winterhold leads to discovering a molag bal cult where the currency is depravity and egoism. Really kind of go deep with the dark and demented.

I guess I don't understand why you would want to uproot the Timeline and place it within Beth's Skyrim. We already have our own lore in Skyrim, with its own political situation and its own lore, one of which is by far more interesting then the one Beth came up with (in my opinion).

It's just that as it is, Taneth has enough defenders that if they fight to the death (which Haroun and Bomilkar will be guaranteeing), the losses will likely cripple both sides.

I wouldn't mind doing the Siege of Taneth in a short RP. Its defiantly what I figured would be the pivotal point. As for loss's, well thats just a matter of generalship, one of which I believe the Empire has a better grapple on.

Wooly, the whole point of the Timeline is that it doesn't die solely because the guy who put the first thread up doesn't show up for a while. No one person 'killed' this RP and it's pointless to go pointing fingers. We all had some fine writery in there and now it's stopped because, as Asap correctly noted and as I've suspected myself for a bit of a while now, a realistic conventional war can't be portrayed start to finish in a continuous RP.

Best of luck with the Skyrim thang, Immortal. I still say we should become the Fortress of Pizzazz or the Temple of Ba'aws now that we've broken free of the autocrat.

Story, I'll try to have Liburnus' death scene written up for Friday and in your inbox. Got the second half of the week off so should have plenty of time for that.

As for where to go next, personally I'd like a quick mini RP in the Imperial City. Have the build-up to and including an all-important Elder Councill session where the Councillors must decide upon the appropriate reciprocatory action against Anvil's Kvatch claim and where several competing behind-the-scenes parties for the title of Emperor finally decide to make their move, under the eyes of observers from all over Tamriel; maybe it all will even end in a nice bloody coup. Hopefully walk away from it with an emperor on the throne and the makings of an active, potent Empire (or not, depending on who gets put on the throne).

I myself like that Idea. I was pretty excited about a smaller scale political RP with lots of intrigue.

[Gavin Roberts]

I wouldn't mind doing the Siege of Taneth in a short RP. Its defiantly what I figured would be the pivotal point. As for loss's, well thats just a matter of generalship, one of which I believe the Empire has a better grapple on.

Maybe if they were thinking clearly and sticking to their original plans. But I don't think they will be.

That aside, it's a lot harder to take a garrisoned city than it is to defeat that same army on an open field. Honestly, unless most of the Knights are away at the time, I'm not seeing them realistically taking the city, even if all of the Yokudan army is there.

[Auguste Bartholdi]

It doesn't have enough steam because you never tried man. Go take Skyrim where you want to take it. I've talked to Story and we're sticking with this. Yeah, Skyrim has its pros and cons, but we'll still sticking with the original timeline. Just because the one RP is ending doesn't mean we can't continue. It went 7 threads, if that means anything. We've already had this discussion once earlier in the threads and we all agreed not to go to Skyrim. Just because you pulled a fast one and didn't post, resulting in the RP's death doesn't mean we're changing our minds, or at least I'm not.

I did try and fyi I only wanted a small role. I shouldn't of even tried to keep the Confederation on life support like I did. People eventually stepped in and took it but it was much less certain than the Sentinel side. I don't really understand your constant accusations and bitter remarks toward me. I've ignored the last several ones but i'm not blind to it, not because anything you said concerning that is relevant but because you continue on with it. Like PFA said the RP should go on even if I don't post. I had the role of a mercenary force by the bridge, and a few personal characters. My posting didn't stop the Sentinel side from not attacking since last march (almost 11 months now) so please. You honestly think I did this on purpose? I've said this before, if the RP dies just because the guy who came up with the idea isn't there, it isn't a very good set up of an RP. I honestly don't have all that much time even right now if I were going to start my ideas.

I guess I don't understand why you would want to uproot the Timeline and place it within Beth's Skyrim. We already have our own lore in Skyrim, with its own political situation and its own lore, one of which is by far more interesting then the one Beth came up with (in my opinion).

Our role in Skyrim is fairly shallow and not very hard to crop into Beth's Skyrim lore. Most of our Skyrim lore is actually High Rock lore that went too far east tbh. My idea for Skyrim doesn't really do away with our lore, just shifts it and in this way we have a fresh new setting with less limitations that OB had placed in my view on the lore. Another issue is if we get new people in it'll be more adaptable to them to be in a Skyrim setting. I remember when Oblivion had come out and people were still doing MW RPs...which was fine just felt a little left behind. Oblivion came out six years ago, if we shift to Skyrim we'd have more or less six years to develop our own stuff within Skyrim while still remaining current.

Honestly give me anything we've written in the timeline that you may find problematic to fit into Skyrim and i'll tell you how it can be done.

I wouldn't mind doing the Siege of Taneth in a short RP. Its defiantly what I figured would be the pivotal point. As for loss's, well thats just a matter of generalship, one of which I believe the Empire has a better grapple on.

I'd actually be up for that.

[Svenja Hedrich]

So would everyone like to do a shorter focused roleplay for the Siege of Taneth? How will we keep it shorter, and focused? I myself do not mind either a fanfic or an episode of pure win.

It should forever remain the Immortal Blood Timeline. Theres no point in changing the name, regardless if IB wish's to be apart of it or not.

I know what you mean with the warm and fuzzy of the name, but it would be a discredit to Immortal when he starts up this other timeline.

[Nicole Coucopoulos]

Maybe if they were thinking clearly and sticking to their original plans. But I don't think they will be.

That aside, it's a lot harder to take a garrisoned city than it is to defeat that same army on an open field. Honestly, unless most of the Knights are away at the time, I'm not seeing them realistically taking the city, even if all of the Yokudan army is there.

We have supperior siege equipment, numbers, supplies, ect. Just because the Empire is in a state of unbridled rage at the assassination of Roxanna doesn't mean that they will throw all logistical and tactical sense to the wind and make a series of blunders against the Knights. Imperial Cannons pretty much negate Taneths walls and defences.

Our role in Skyrim is fairly shallow and not very hard to crop into Beth's Skyrim lore. Most of our Skyrim lore is actually High Rock lore that went too far east tbh. My idea for Skyrim doesn't really do away with our lore, just shifts it and in this way we have a fresh new setting with less limitations that OB had placed in my view on the lore. Another issue is if we get new people in it'll be more adaptable to them to be in a Skyrim setting. I remember when Oblivion had come out and people were still doing MW RPs...which was fine just felt a little left behind. Oblivion came out six years ago, if we shift to Skyrim we'd have more or less six years to develop our own stuff within Skyrim while still remaining current.

Honestly give me anything we've written in the timeline that you may find problematic to fit into Skyrim and i'll tell you how it can be done.

Im not saying we couldn't fit in, Im asking why would you want to? Skyrims awesome and all, but its cheap and unimaginative to just try and fit the timeline into Skyrim's setting instead of continuing with what we've already created. Skyrims plot was fun, but it wasn't all that amazing, not enough to make me want to try and fit our lore into the Skyrim framework.

So would everyone like to do a shorter focused roleplay for the Siege of Taneth? How will we keep it shorter, and focused? I myself do not mind either a fanfic or an episode of pure win.



I know what you mean with the warm and fuzzy of the name, but it would be a discredit to Immortal when he starts up this other timeline.

We could just continue with the current RP and make the Siege of Taneth the focal point instead of creating a whole new RP. Basically it would be like SoS with the sides reveresed.

As for the name, well its not about just a name. Its always been the Immortal Blood Timeline, its who we are as a group.

edit: Ya know guys, I'm with Wooly for the most part. IB, with all do repsepct, I don't think you tried half as hard nor did you care in this RP. I'd be a lier if I said I didn't think your part of the reason we had such a hard time with the RP. It makes me a bit angry to be honest that your abandoning the Timeline, but you should do what you want.

[Lynette Wilson]

We have supperior siege equipment, numbers, supplies, ect. Just because the Empire is in a state of unbridled rage at the assassination of Roxanna doesn't mean that they will throw all logistical and tactical sense to the wind and make a series of blunders against the Knights. Imperial Cannons pretty much negate Taneths walls and defences.

You're overestimating cannons. The Ottomans failed several sieges where they not only had cannons, but vastly outnumbered their foes. They also had camels. Two of their failed sieges were against a knightly order.

[Jessie]

You're overestimating cannons. The Ottomans failed several sieges where they not only had cannons, but vastly outnumbered their foes. They also had camels. Two of their failed sieges were against a knightly order.

I am most certainly not over estimating the cannons, I don't mean to imply they are the end all to be all but the Knights have more against them then they do for them. All the Yokudans have to do is maintain a siege until they break through or starve the knights out.

[Alan Cutler]

You're overestimating cannons. The Ottomans failed several sieges where they not only had cannons, but vastly outnumbered their foes. They also had camels. Two of their failed sieges were against a knightly order.

Keep in mind the SIege of Taneth (for the fanfiction's setting at least) is about a year later. I'd give it around a month from the current time in KSS, for the Yokudan Empire to work its way through Lucretia's forces and move the main effort to the city of Taneth, and taking control of the battlespace from that point on back to Sentinel. Taneth has an excellent advantage, the teleporter. I forgot the speed you made it have but this means they can be resupplied with food, medicine, and construction equipment. However no amount of equipment will be able to repair the damage done to the walls from a constant barrage. Tidus has the guns currently at the bridge firing on a constant rate while also giving each battery enough rest to the point where the guns won't overdo themselves. At that rate we could maintain a barrage at a single point for as long as we deem necessary, or run out of ammunition. The workers will not be able to repair that wall and eventually its going to crumble.

However there is a lot the knights can do to make things hard for the Yokudans, which is what I was trying to coordinate with you via pm, I'd like to show that the knights have been pulling out all kinds of crazy tricks out of their hats including the forces from Rihad and such. And your character be one of the reasons behind it, an excellent commander pulling out sorties and earning infamy amongst the Yokudans.

@Tidus

I think it would take some time to reach the siege of Taneth, why not pull a year or so ahead and just rename the new thread while keeping everything else?

[Amysaurusrex]

I did try and fyi I only wanted a small role. I shouldn't of even tried to keep the Confederation on life support like I did. People eventually stepped in and took it but it was much less certain than the Sentinel side. I don't really understand your constant accusations and bitter remarks toward me. I've ignored the last several ones but i'm not blind to it, not because anything you said concerning that is relevant but because you continue on with it. Like PFA said the RP should go on even if I don't post. I had the role of a mercenary force by the bridge, and a few personal characters. My posting didn't stop the Sentinel side from not attacking since last march (almost 11 months now) so please. You honestly think I did this on purpose? I've said this before, if the RP dies just because the guy who came up with the idea isn't there, it isn't a very good set up of an RP. I honestly don't have all that much time even right now if I were going to start my ideas.

As for the name, well its not about just a name. Its always been the Immortal Blood Timeline, its who we are as a group.

edit: Ya know guys, I'm with Wooly for the most part. IB, with all do repsepct, I don't think you tried half as hard nor did you care in this RP. I'd be a lier if I said I didn't think your part of the reason we had such a hard time with the RP. It makes me a bit angry to be honest that your abandoning the Timeline, but you should do what you want.

Anticlere, I wouldn't call it "blaming it completely", but Tidus and I agree on that same point. As for the whole "guy who came up with it", Tidus and I are the ones who developed the plot for this RP, specifically, but everyone has put effort into it. I don't think anyone can say the timeline runs off one person. People make a lot of different contributions and we've got some good solid people who have stuck around, as well as people who started RPing in the timeline during this RP, and I feel that they will stick around as well. As for the time thing, you've got time to make a Skyrim RP, apparently. I'm in high school and college at the same time, and I played basketball (no, not the low level crap you talk about. I take college classes, at a college. Try CSC 151 - Java Programming and tell me if you think it's "low level crap"), Asap takes honors classes and pole vaults, as well as runs track. Tidus has a lot of different personal things going on right now (enough for him not to post at all), and Story is in the military. Time shouldn't be an excuse. If it was, we could've gotten the Lucretia thing straightened out a while back. I'm not necessarily putting it all on you, nor is this personal, but I just don't think you cared. If you want to up it and leave and go do something with Skyrim, go do it. If you want to stay and do something here, do it. It's your personal decision. The RP wasn't all about attacking anyway. It was about character development too. Story made that pretty clear, or so I thought.

Story, it'd be cool to fastforward to something like that. If it had been a year, Arethan would probably be out of there and I could focus on the Yokudan character role. That would be quite fun and similar to SoS. It would be action packed and full of tricks, and it might remotivate us all enough to do something with Rihad after. I am in favor of the idea and I think we could pull it off.

As for the teleporter, I imagine it wouldn't be able to teleport huge, huge masses of things. But it is there and does provide means of communication/evacuation for sure.

[james kite]

Honestly, it's been long enough in KSS for me. I could have Aventurnus show up at Taneth, but I wouldn't take a huge part in that RP.

[kasia]

Is there really any point of playing out a siege? Clearly the YE seem to have the naval superiority, so they can cut off any chance of supplies for the city. Add the cannon to the fact that Taneth's walls probably aren't optimized for gunpowder artillery and that there will likely be strong support for the YE inside the city that could open the gates at basically any time or cause population riots amongst a citizen-body who I'm sure would rather capitulate to the YE then go through the slow death a siege would bring on, then it's pretty clear how this will end. Theres no way the teleporter can bring supplies for the entire citizen population inside the city, and if the Knights decide to just chuck everyone out to keep supplies longer, then would that really endear them to the people they are trying to "keep free"?

I guess it could be done from the standpoint of wanting to further character development... But as for the story of the Timeline, we all know how a siege of Taneth will end, especially if no one in Tamriel wants to send help. I dunno, a siege just seems kind of pointless to play through. Especially with how touchy people have been getting about military affairs lately.

[Daramis McGee]

Is there really any point of playing out a siege? Clearly the YE seem to have the naval superiority, so they can cut off any chance of supplies for the city. Add the cannon to the fact that Taneth's walls probably aren't optimized for gunpowder artillery and that there will likely be strong support for the YE inside the city that could open the gates at basically any time or cause population riots amongst a citizen-body who I'm sure would rather capitulate to the YE then go through the slow death a siege would bring on, then it's pretty clear how this will end. Theres no way the teleporter can bring supplies for the entire citizen population inside the city, and if the Knights decide to just chuck everyone out to keep supplies longer, then would that really endear them to the people they are trying to "keep free"?

The Confederation has been anticipating a siege: they've been moving all the crops in the outlying farms into the city as to have plenty of supplies. As for Yokudan sympathizers, I suspect when Haroun orders the Confederation navy destroyed even though they had already surrendered, they'll realize just how futile surrendering is. In addition, cannons are a lot harder to use when there's a hail of fireballs coming down on them. Or simply if the land is blanketed with mist.

I'm not saying the Yokudans will lose the siege, but it won't be easy.

[Miguel]

The Confederation has been anticipating a siege: they've been moving all the crops in the outlying farms into the city as to have plenty of supplies. As for Yokudan sympathizers, I suspect when Haroun orders the Confederation navy destroyed even though they had already surrendered, they'll realize just how futile surrendering is. In addition, cannons are a lot harder to use when there's a hail of fireballs coming down on them. Or simply if the land is blanketed with mist.

I'm not saying the Yokudans will lose the siege, but it won't be easy.

Whats the range difference between a fireball and a cannon-ball though?

If people wanna do it, I certainly can't stop them and I'll enjoy reading what people have in mind for different tactics in the siege.

Besides destroying the navy after surrender was something necessary. Why would Haroun need to slaughter people if they surrender to him. I figure that the mass of the population doesn't care who is in charge as long as they don't have to suffer anything more then paying taxes.

[Dustin Brown]

Whats the range difference between a fireball and a cannon-ball though?

I dunno. But fireballs usually travel in flat trajectories. If they don't, then there's still the fact that they'd be cast from a higher elevation than the cannonballs.

Besides destroying the navy after surrender was something necessary. Why would Haroun need to slaughter people if they surrender to him.

Payback for Roxanna's death. Making a statement. Because Story said that's what he's gonna do.

[Mr. Ray]

Payback for Roxanna's death. Making a statement. Because Story said that's what he's gonna do.

Damn. That's tough evidence to refute... A Story doppelganger did it?

Well I'm interested in reading about whichever way you guys go.

[Evaa]

Im not saying we couldn't fit in, Im asking why would you want to? Skyrims awesome and all, but its cheap and unimaginative to just try and fit the timeline into Skyrim's setting instead of continuing with what we've already created. Skyrims plot was fun, but it wasn't all that amazing, not enough to make me want to try and fit our lore into the Skyrim framework.

Because I don't look at what we've written as some accomplishment that needs to be guarded and protected as if it's the ten commandments. I look at the lore written simply as the result of us faffing about with our characters in imagination land together. It's the journey not the destination that interests me. That's why i'm willing to change history and things even about my own characters and have no hang ups about it. Hammerfell during the Skyrim age seems much more interesting than what OB leaves us with imo.

Ya know guys, I'm with Wooly for the most part. IB, with all do repsepct, I don't think you tried half as hard nor did you care in this RP. I'd be a lier if I said I didn't think your part of the reason we had such a hard time with the RP. It makes me a bit angry to be honest that your abandoning the Timeline, but you should do what you want.

I tried fairly hard for the first 5 or 6 months. But instead of people getting to the point of the story we were sending diplomats and writing letters to one another, something I had distinctly mentioned would slow down the RP and kill it. Some shot back with "But it's character development." But to what end? To the point where the story isn't interesting enough to dislodge ourselves from whatever else we are doing in order to post. Some of us do have real hardships like sick mothers and what not. But most of us are busy with this and that game, or just aren't motivated enough. I tried to be a bit more hands off on the pacing and this is what happened. And for the record i'm not "leaving the Timeline." I'm taking a leadership role and saying what everyone else is pretty much thinking. The RP is slow, has been slow, has been dying and is more or less dead. I knew this months before when everyone was filling up discussion thread after discussion thread about what will be done in Cyrodiil while 2 or 3 posts were going up per week at most in the RP thread. I hate to use the anology here but I feel a bit like Mao once he took China over. Everyone else in government started having their own ideas and focusing on other concepts forgetting the point of what the Revolution was really about. And because of this he remarked that he would go back in the mountains with his guerillas and continue revolution. Those who wanted to come are more than welcome to. Those who want to beat a dead horse, by all means I won't get in your way. Let's keep in mind that behind the scenes I was the one very often pulling the strings on what people were to do in order to get themselves involved. It got to the point where I had to ask myself "Why am I the guy spoon feeding people? If they don't have it in themselves to post, I can't blame them. The story line has gotten dry and boring."

So in finale i'm probably going to make another plot going back to the roots of what the Timeline was suppose to be but also keeping in mind the new things learned. Those who wish to come are more than welcome to. If you think you can do something with what's been left here so far, by all means. No hard feelings. But feeling anger at me is juvenile. Perhaps I don't post the most and I never really have stepped up to take credit for anything but I will say that I am the one that made this plot, a plot some here wanted to kick and scream to not have because they imagined all of Hammerfell suddenly falling at the feet of Sentinel. I was the one that told people "we need to focus in on our goal or this will unravel into slow dry nothingness" but others continued on that path and we're here. So again silly to feel angry at anybody. I'm not blaming anyone, the plot went dry. Should of focused on what I had set out the plot to be.

If anyone thinks they have a better method, by all means I implore you to seek out and demonstrate your talents.

Anticlere, I wouldn't call it "blaming it completely", but Tidus and I agree on that same point. As for the whole "guy who came up with it", Tidus and I are the ones who developed the plot for this RP, specifically, but everyone has put effort into it. I don't think anyone can say the timeline runs off one person. People make a lot of different contributions and we've got some good solid people who have stuck around, as well as people who started RPing in the timeline during this RP, and I feel that they will stick around as well.

I don't think you remember correctly. I don't beat my own drum but i'm not going to sit here and have you take credit for something you did not do. Had it been up to story and to an extent Tidus, all of Hammerfell would have been in the pocket of Sentinel. I was the one who stated that along the coast would be a largely imperialized populace and placed the Knights of the Nine there as the military factor contributing to their continued independence. Before the RP even started I had to have a long discussion with story over this behind the scenes. So for once wooly assume you do not know about everything that goes on. I see time and time again in my life, and this goes beyond the RP, that whenever I sit quiet and don't make my claims, people will tend to bite off more than is actually theirs. I'd like to remind everyone of a time before the IBT where with the exception of Loranna's RP there were no long term RPs running. Every RP ran for a month or two and then died. The ones that lasted the longest were the ones that would go for pages and pages of two people exchanging two liners. And while I am not taking sole credit for creating something that did not fall into those snares, i'd like to think that perhaps my approach was unique enough that it allowed this sort of creativity in the lore that we see from people like PFA and Story and others.

As for the time thing, you've got time to make a Skyrim RP, apparently.

Apparently since the thread is already up right? I'll pay your tuition if you can find my thread.

I'm in high school and college at the same time, and I played basketball (no, not the low level crap you talk about. I take college classes, at a college. Try CSC 151 - Java Programming and tell me if you think it's "low level crap"),

Never miss an opportunity to tell us.

Tidus has a lot of different personal things going on right now (enough for him not to post at all), and Story is in the military. Time shouldn't be an excuse. If it was, we could've gotten the Lucretia thing straightened out a while back. I'm not necessarily putting it all on you, nor is this personal, but I just don't think you cared. If you want to up it and leave and go do something with Skyrim, go do it. If you want to stay and do something here, do it. It's your personal decision.

There was nothing of an issue with the "Lucretia" thing. You guys have been parked in front of her forces for months now. The fact that I stated I would want to have her attack over the river was simply to get SOMETHING to happen. I didn't see PFA or Tidus making any attempt to cross. I don't blame them. But this isn't a reason to criticize. And I kind of did stop caring little by little and you can proudly take the brunt of that credit if you are interested. But like I said before I set out to do something a certain way, that would work and that I told people wouldn't work any other way, and those who were in a position to do that, did something else leading us to our present situation.

The RP wasn't all about attacking anyway. It was about character development too. Story made that pretty clear, or so I thought.

Can we stop pretending that we're some "character development" RP? What the hell does that even mean. Any RP has character development or it isn't an RP. The focus of these RPs has ALWAYS been politics and war. Why are you guys so apologetic about that, like it's some dirty thing to be ashamed of. And since when is a war RP unable to have character development. So please the intent of the RP was primarily to see a Sentilian army invade the remnants of the Empire in Hammerfell and take them over or fail. Everything else is fluff. We focused too much on the fluff and not enough on the point of the RP. We had a cake that was almost all whip cream.

[Alada Vaginah]

Man, seriously? Ask Tidus. We spent hours and came up with the original RP idea, and Story and PFA developed it from there. I didn't take your "Sentinlian invasion of Anvil" crap. The timeline is what it is. I don't take credit for anything. It's a group effort. You don't have to come in the thread and disrespect me. It's not just all "me" and that seems to be the only arguement you have. What I said was true, and Tidus agrees with me for every bit of it, but instead you're going to choose to [censored] and whine at me. Put your pants on and take it for what it is. You aren't perfect and you aren't always going to do everthing right all the time.

You don't have any right to say "what the timeline was supposed to be". We've made it the way we want it to be. You don't mean anymore to this than Story, PFA, Tidus, or even me, Aubrey, Squid, Crimson. It's a group effort, not just you all the time. You're going to sit here and blame it on us, when the river was mostly your fault: our characters were locked in a fight with yours most of the time, but how many posts did you even bother to make in this RP?

Half the time you didn't even know what was going on, because you barely posted, and Tidus and I both know you didn't try as hard as you have in the past. Get over yourself. I can say I contributed more to this RP than you did, as did Tidus and PFA, as well as Josh and Aubrey, along with Squid and Crimson. We actually bothered to post. You don't have any right to tell me "yeah, you didn't contribute" when you didn't bother to post for the first what, 3 threads? You didn't do jack to host this RP.

"Yeah I've always been the one spoonfeeding people."

Last time I checked, Queen's Waltz was 2 years ago, and you haven't spoon fed anyone during that time frame. I certainly don't remember you spoonfeeding in CI, and you definately didn't in this RP, because you didn't show up to play. Tidus had an angry rant that he edited out earlier: he's just as pissed with you as I am, and I was willing to wipe it off and not really be concerned until you get on the forum and post all of this trash about how it isn't your fault and it's everyone elses. One of the key lessons in life is that you will be wrong sometimes; sometimes it will be your fault. Sometimes you mess up and sometimes you just didn't stay commited to something you said you would. I'd carry a lot more respect for you if you would say "Yeah, man I could've done better" instead of pointing fingers at me and Tidus "Yeah you guys didn't bother to cross the river". Especially pointing them at me, when I didn't even have command over those forces. It wouldn't have mattered if we would've tried. You didn't show up to read or post in half of the RP in the first place. Honestly man, I don't appreciate you downplaying what I try to do for the RP.

[Emma Pennington]

Man, seriously? Ask Tidus. We spent hours and came up with the original RP idea, and Story and PFA developed it from there. I didn't take your "Sentinlian invasion of Anvil" crap. The timeline is what it is. I don't take credit for anything.

That people sat down and made the post for the opening thread this is true. But the original idea of having a Sentinel Invasion of the remnant of Imperial power in Hammerfell was something I made up. Like I said before neither Story nor Tidus even wanted this because in their mind (at least story) Hammerfell should of more or less all gone to Sentinel after SoS.

You don't have to come in the thread and disrespect me. It's not just all "me" and that seems to be the only arguement you have.

You've made snide remarks at me several times in this thread and the previous one. I've ignored them for the most part because they're pretty unimportant. But I won't have you misdirect people at my expense. And no one is saying it's all "you." I never made that argument so where you get this I don't know.

What I said was true, and Tidus agrees with me for every bit of it, but instead you're going to choose to [censored] and whine at me. Put your pants on and take it for what it is. You aren't perfect and you aren't always going to do everthing right all the time.

Wooly i'm not whining at anyone, especially you. I never thought it productive to give consideration to your opinion when so often it proved irrelevant. Now that Tidus and others if any have chosen to have words behind my back is on them and again kind of irrelevant as far as the RP goes. If you guys feel better blaming me, by all means.

You don't have any right to say "what the timeline was supposed to be". We've made it the way we want it to be. You don't mean anymore to this than Story, PFA, Tidus, or even me, Aubrey, Squid, Crimson. It's a group effort, not just you all the time. You're going to sit here and blame it on us, when the river was mostly your fault: our characters were locked in a fight with yours most of the time, but how many posts did you even bother to make in this RP?

I love the irony in your post. In a few sentences you say that the RP is a group effort and that I shouldn't blame anyone, and then in the same breath you say things were mostly my fault. Nevermind the accusations of claims I never made that I won't dignify with an answer.

Half the time you didn't even know what was going on, because you barely posted, and Tidus and I both know you didn't try as hard as you have in the past. Get over yourself. I can say I contributed more to this RP than you did, as did Tidus and PFA, as well as Josh and Aubrey, along with Squid and Crimson. We actually bothered to post. You don't have any right to tell me "yeah, you didn't contribute" when you didn't bother to post for the first what, 3 threads? You didn't do jack to host this RP.

That I didn't read about your closet school boy crush adventure at chasing Serosi about, a plot you insisted on obsessively in every RP I have had the character in where you participated is true. But it isn't true to say that I did not know what was going on with the rest. But from my character's perspective much of it was irrelevant. Roxana and this diplomat talking about this and that. Such and such person in a meeting with such and such. I stuck true to my character. I had a mercenary that was there to stop an assault on Taneth and that was that. And again your hypocritical non sense continues here with further accusations against me. Obviously the end result of this RP proved that yeah I kind of do have a right to say what the timeline was suppose to be, because it wasn't suppose to be you bickering or us sitting semi idle for 11 months. I remember every month or so I would say "Come ON we need to get to the actual meat of the RP or this will falter." That I didn't contribute as much to the unessential fluff is something I will gladly admit to be guilty of. You insisted on the Serosi hunt sub plot, dragged 4 or so other people with you until their interest was lost and their activity further dropped.

"Yeah I've always been the one spoonfeeding people."

Last time I checked, Queen's Waltz was 2 years ago, and you haven't spoon fed anyone during that time frame. I certainly don't remember you spoonfeeding in CI, and you definately didn't in this RP, because you didn't show up to play.

Last time I checked you don't have access to my PM box.

Tidus had an angry rant that he edited out earlier: he's just as pissed with you as I am, and I was willing to wipe it off and not really be concerned until you get on the forum and post all of this trash about how it isn't your fault and it's everyone elses. One of the key lessons in life is that you will be wrong sometimes; sometimes it will be your fault. Sometimes you mess up and sometimes you just didn't stay commited to something you said you would. I'd carry a lot more respect for you if you would say "Yeah, man I could've done better" instead of pointing fingers at me and Tidus "Yeah you guys didn't bother to cross the river". Especially pointing them at me, when I didn't even have command over those forces. It wouldn't have mattered if we would've tried. You didn't show up to read or post in half of the RP in the first place. Honestly man, I don't appreciate you downplaying what I try to do for the RP.

You were the one that brought up the "Lucretia" issue. I simply said...well you guys didn't cross the river either. And from this you deduct that i'm blaming everyone for the RP failing. Sorry wooly but that word springs to mind again, you know the one. Talk about a non sequitur.

Edit: And once again the only thing I did not read was your Serosi chase plot or the pirate plot. Rest I read.

[Niisha]

Last time I checked, Tidus called you out in this thread. Get out of the timeline. Go make another one.

[Emily Martell]

I don't know why you keep thinking I care about what you say. You aren't anybody to tell me what to do.

[Sweet Blighty]

Can we just stop arguing? We all have some fault in the failure of this RP. I bit off more than I could chew and didn't post as much as I should have, often failing to announce my week-long absences in advance. Wooly, you once went for a month and posted about forty times in the discussion thread apologizing for your lack of posts between two posts, so you're hardly in a position to get on IB's case for inactivity. We've all suffered bouts of inactivity. We've all lost motivation at some point or another. We've all got a role in this thing's ultimate demise. Those who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones, and we all live in glass houses here.

Now, let's be civil here. I'd like keep going with the timeline as a whole, albeit with smaller and more focused RPs. Asapp is right; we can't RP a whole war start to finish. It takes too long, and we just don't have the ability. At the same time, I'm open to IB's episodic idea for a separate line of RPs (honestly, though, I would prefer a battle of Markarth to the werewolf investigation).

[Baby K(:]

Can we just stop arguing? We all have some fault in the failure of this RP. I bit off more than I could chew and didn't post as much as I should have, often failing to announce my week-long absences in advance. Wooly, you once went for a month and posted about forty times in the discussion thread apologizing for your lack of posts between two posts. We've all suffered bouts of inactivity. We've all lost motivation at some point or another. We've all got a role in this thing's ultimate demise.

Now, let's be civil here. I'd like keep going with the timeline as a whole, albeit with smaller and more focused RPs. Asapp is right; we can't RP a whole war start to finish. It takes too long, and we just don't have the ability. At the same time, I'm open to IB's episodic idea for a separate line of RPs (honestly, though, I would prefer a battle of Markarth to the werewolf investigation).

Was also considering a sort of "Lost ninth legion" sort of plot where a legion gets ambushed by stormcloak rebels and we could RP smaller scale skirmishes and survival/hunter scenarios.

[Emerald Dreams]

Was also considering a sort of "Lost ninth legion" sort of plot where a legion gets ambushed by stormcloak rebels and we could RP smaller scale skirmishes and survival/hunter scenarios.

Like Teutoburg forest or that one movie The Eagle? I'd be down for that.

[Britney Lopez]

Like Teutoburg forest or that one movie The Eagle? I'd be down for that.

Yes and we could have segments of the actual war going on rather than just "here's your troops go at it" where we all get bogged down and do nothing. Allows other forms of RP plots in between each "encounter"