I'd take the sermons with a pinch of salt when it comes to referencing history from it.



Mankar seems to collaborate the existence of the Dreugh however the way they had their dominion over the world is awfully similair to the way the Aldmer ruled over the world. So being called Altmer of the sea can be a reference to their domination and treacherousness.

Because of this similarity there also is the possibility that there are no Dreugh Tyrant Kings and that they're only a metaphor for Aldmer.

White Gold is a first order simulacra. Is it not possible for there to be other kinds of tower, which are 2nd and 3rd order simulacra, which have been so far removed from their mythic progenitors that all original meaning is lost, and are themselves wholly new concepts?

Other ones also might no longer be active, or just not be significant/powerful enough to mention...

However, the towers (apart from Adamantine and Red) were built after the oceans came to be. There are still most likely others (hence the "and on and on" in Letter 4)...

"And Fadomai said, 'The Khajiit must be the best climbers, for if Masser and Secunda fail, they must climb Khenarthi's breath to set the moons back in their courses... And Azurah left and spoke the Third Secret to the Lunar Lattice and bound the Khajiit to the Lattice, as is proper for Nirni's secret defenders.'"http://www.imperial-library.info/mwbooks/clanmother.shtml

There is also the possibility that the Dreugh are "true elves" that are just radically changed mythically. Look at orcs. Not very elven looking, are they?

I dont think it would be a stretch to say that they could have a tower, and that said tower is what holds them as dreugh. It would also partially explain the Karvinasm

Urgh. Forgot about the little ones. Most Ayleid ruins seem to have some sort of onset for a tower. Then again if we start counting those, we also have to count Telvani towers and Catholic Churches Imperial Temples.

The snake-men fought a war with the Tiger-Dragons. The men fought a war with the mer. The snake-men are said to be men. If these two wars are to be considerd myth-echos of eachother (basically the same story) and the Tsaesci are men (they ate them to become them) then the Tiger-Dragons must be...yes- Mer (at least in a metaphysical sense)



All inhabitants of Nirn witnessed the convention, event he Akaviri (as all mortals originate on Tamriel). Thus,t he Tiger-Dragons had the ability to make towers, and very well might have.

I've always interpreted "Altmer of the sea" as something suggesting some sort of anologue as paragons of their respective realms.

But then there's this, not really hard-lore, more of a lore-heavy Christmas shoutout, but probably written shortly after the Sermons:

as from the sediment-memory, warnings older than even the West itself, which was not West yet but the left lung of Aurbis and Old Ehlnofey, alike as during the first of the Altmeri formwars, http://www.imperial-library.info/obscure_text/xmas.shtml like loss to split their immutables and render their rude- walking slow, into faces tracing back into misdesigned corals and sandplay

Or a different concept. A new one has no mythic significance.

Considering the written records start right after the convention and the Dreughs are significant enough to show up in them, the only room for the Dreugh to be Tyrant Kings is during the Dawn, at which point there were no towers yet to imitate.

It somewhat goes with the formwars Albides mentioned.

At such a time though, all beings that were not divine would be ehlnofex anyway, and part of "mythic aldmeris."


The divide between man and mer came after convention, when Lorkhan was judged, hunted down, and his heart cast into the mundus. Men sided with lorkhan and his followers, while Elves sided with the other divines.

Division after that came from how to interperet the events of Convention, which started among other things, the Velothi Exodus, The Dwemer pursuit of false thinking, The mythical shaming of Trinimac, and friends.

As the seas of Nirn represent the expanses of Oblivion (Padomaic Sea) and Aetherius (Aetheric Ocean? cant recall)--- It is possible that the "Dreugh" are "elves" which sided even more closely with the original cosmology. (Aetherius and Oblivion, with the Grey maybe between)

It is possible they retain an even stronger myth echo of the dawn than even the Altmer keep.

Telvanni Towers are actually just overgrown mushrooms that take on a tower-like shape.

1. The Anuad mentions the wandering Elnofey and Original Enofey. The Heart of the World also mentions a clash between Man and Mer.

2. As much as 'before' applies in a period without linear time, Lorkhan had to be defeated before the convention because after the convention the gods left. Though considering that in some myths Lorkhan gave himself up willingly, I reckon it all (Duel, Convention, Leaving) happened at the same time.

3. Wouldn't know about the sea's. Just don't think they're elves.



Yes, some Towers are just a collection of bricks stacked upon each other really high. Others are nothing but cast iron bars riveted together.

If you want to take on mythic consequence, something the size of a chess "rook" could be made insanely powerful, simply by arranging it on a board which represents the universe, and putting it in the right place.

If it was a spaceship, then from where did Akatosh come? Or is we even know?


But a Telvanni Tower was simply grown to be a comfortable self-assembling home from which people won't be able to bug you.

1) His guardian plane(t).

2) It is shaped like a tower, and thus gains a small mythic force simply by being shaped that way, even if that was not the intent. A crazy telvanni could make his tower absurdly powerful, just by cultivating a few additional pods around it, in tribute to the universe, the same way that White Gold does.


Granted, such an undertaking is absurdly risky. Look what happened to the Dwemer when they meddled with tower creation.

that begs the question, does Muatra function via the same concept? XD

I don't know about that second statement. So...even guard towers have a small mythic force as well? If so, those guards svck at using it.

1) That answers one question. And opens up so many more.

2) That would mean that Frostcrag also would possess some mythic force.


Or is it because the towers are shaped like a phallic symbol that gives them their powers?
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The symbol of the Tower is that of unassailability. Even guard towers radiate a sense of strength, unity, protection, and permanence. If that isn't a mythical effect, I dont know what is.

Doesn't matter. Like language, myth and magic run on symbolism™.

Yup. Challice and Rodd or Staff. Did you read Promethea yet?

Makes one wonder about other theoretically powerful mythic symbols. Such as the "Wedding ring"-- A symbol of unity between two diametric parts. Could be seen in the wheel of the mundus, which brings the Aetherius and Oblivion together, and creates a home for children.


For the individual, the Tower is much more interesting, as it does not require "the other"- It more closely resembles the unassailable self, hence it's association with CHIM.

What about Shehai? Sorry, but I don't really fully understand what that is yet.

If you turn a ring sideways you come away with a shape that looks like an "I", the Tower.



What about them?

Which is the true name of God.



;)

(Gnostic Doctrine much? God is truely personified only by the union of both halves.)