I've found myself in a quandary as to whom to side with in the civil war. I know I should side with someone, because the longer it goes on, the more damage is done to Skyrim, but... who? The Imperials all seem like thoroughly unpleasant people who are almost childishly indignant at the temerity of the Stormcloaks for objecting to their helping the Thalmor round up Talos worshipers. The Stormcloaks are more or less nicer, but their leadership constantly talks about making war on "the elves," which is both awkward and unnerving for my Altmer PC, who really doesn't want another bloody human invasion of the Dominion, especially one that might be racially biased and bad for its civilians. Then again, the Empire might do the same thing; I've considered joining one just to see if I could influence it somehow to be more peaceful, or at least circumspect in its actions, but I don't know which would be more suitable.

Oh no. You've broken a week of peace...

Seriously, search for yourself. There is quite a bit of dialogue when it cones to the CW.

My apologies, this is literally the first time I've been on this forum. I entered Skyrim rather late (and it was my first Elder Scrolls game as well).

http://images.uesp.net/c/c4/Fishystick.jpg Here have a fishy stick *sigh*

Join with the stormcloaks because the empire surrendered to the dominion, isn't the septim empire it's the Mede empire, ect.

No trouble. I can't tell who's new because I'm on the mobile version.

The CW is a very passionate thing here the gets people fired up. It gets real nasty on occasion.

But still, delve into the land. Listen to the people of the various cities/towns.

I may be a bit biased toward the Empire, but there is nothing but pure Nords in the Stormcloak ranks. You won't find any other race among them.

Don't you sometimes see Redguards and Imperials saying they're going off to join the Stormcloaks? Rarely, but it happens. Also, the Empire seems to consist solely of Imperials and Nords, with one Altmer legate somewhere (maybe Bretons, but I don't recall any).

Of course but none are ever present. There is also a Dunmer Legate.

Fortunately Civil War threads are no longer allowed.

Really? Is there an archive for them? Or are they all just tagged that way for searching?

No, they started to spam really badly, so the mods put an end to it

I don't think it was necessaryly spam, but it was always the same people and the same argument.

Join the Thalmor!

Technically, it was a truce.

I hope there is no civil war or the like in the next TES, I can't deal with hundreds of pages of nothing but civil war, I'm glad I joined when it stopped a fair bit, but I browsed these forums a lot before I joined

That's what the Empire wants you to believe.

Take it from an ex empire supporter

I have no objections to the Empire no longer being Septim, because Tiber Septim was an entirely unpleasant person, and I'm quite glad his identity has been erased by becoming Talos. It's the only way I can see Talos as a truly good thing.

It's acutally a defeat and loss for the Empire given the Dominion achieved all their goals with the WGC, the only exception being their failure of conquering Hammerfell which as you no was no longer a part of the Empire by then.



but honestly people should join the Dominon just for the lols

I pick Stormcloaks but I am anti-Uflric. He isn't a good leader if you ask me.

My reason being is the Imperials are much more cruel and heartless toward their enemies... At least the Stormcloaks shows respect and honor to those who had died. The Imperials also seemed to be quite childish and extremely ignorance at times... And snotty too. Plus the Imperials tend to support corrupted Jarls and such MORE than the Stormcloaks... So ye'h.

I'll give you credit for some.

But man, the Stormcloak Jarls are like religious fanatics.

The replacement Hjaalmarch jarl swears by the Eight, not the Nine.

Also, regarding Stormcloak possible xenophobia... for one thing, there's a reasonable chance it'll lighten up after the war ends. For another, if I'm Ulfric's blood-sister, than my Argonian wife is also his kin, and I think I could make a reasonable argument/request to him that, as a favor for Stormblade, that Windhelm be allowed to be somewhat more cosmopolitan? Perhaps?

Not even possible. Argonians and Dunmer are separated from the rest of the populace. Ulfric is intent on keeping it thay way.

I was under the impression that the issue was one of loyalty, not race. With the war won, and since neither Dunmer nor Argonians are really likely to be Imperial spies any more than they are Stormcloak patriots, there's really no reason to maintain any segregation, and given what we'd have gone through together, I think it's a reasonable request to make.

Yet Brunwulf doesn't do jack either.

To be fair, this is just a "we don't want to put effort into making population demographics move around when holds are conquered" thing. I like and trust Brunwulf a lot.

They are segregated because Dunmer and Argonians would be at each others throats especially given that many Dunmer in Windhelm came there as refugees of the Red Year and later Argonian invasions.