The Vampires Cave #1 : V - Skyrim

» Mon May 20, 2013 11:17 pm

Any ideas for topic of discussion?

» Mon May 20, 2013 10:39 pm

What is the biggest creature you have killed by yourself in vampire lord form? Without dying

Mine is a 2 gaints at the same time.

» Mon May 20, 2013 2:05 pm

Hehe, I was floating aimlessly through Whiterun (in VL form) and suddenly found myself in the pond next to that giant camp (the one with two giants and three mammoths). That was a fun exercise .

The best one for me was actually taking down one of those forts full of soldiers. I was in the middle of the Civil War, fighting to take over one of those forts, when I decided "to hell with it" and transformed. I flew ahead of my group and chewed through the occupying Imperials like nothing, but then my fellow Stormcloaks started attacking. So I figured that I'd go ahead and slaughter the rest and we'd call it a draw .

Thing is I stumbled upon a glitch where these soldiers kept respawning around the fort's main courtyard. I'd kill off a pack of four or five only to have a bunch of archers up on the wall shooting at me. I'd take out the soldiers on the wall and another group would spawn across the yard and charge me. It was pretty great, having a constant stream of soldiers attacking me, and pretty hectic. In-game it was around 10pm so I decided to see how long I can go. Will if eventually end? Will it keep going?

Dawn came and I thought I'd try and see if I could push through and survive the day even with the debuff. So I pressed on and eventually night did come again and I pushed it till about midnight the next night before I spawned a pair of gargoyles to pull the agro and I booked it. The soldiers were still coming strong when I left.

There were a lot of close calls, but I learned how to play the form. I figured out a few handy and simple tactics for combat and in the end I gained a new appreciation for the Vampire Lord Form and all that it can do. I was also able to perk out my tree and pad my neck bite count a bit!

» Mon May 20, 2013 3:19 pm

A Mammoth is the biggest creature I have killed on my own as a Vampire Lord without dying, they are bigger than giants but not necessarily taller than giants.

» Mon May 20, 2013 11:30 am

I take on Legendary Dragon in broad daylight with the VL form.

» Mon May 20, 2013 8:49 pm

A Frost Giant during the day for my Lord character.

» Mon May 20, 2013 1:58 pm

Come to think of it, I almost killed Karstaag, but he locked up my 360 before I could finish the job.

» Mon May 20, 2013 3:39 pm

Now if only he was fire instead of ice...

» Mon May 20, 2013 12:25 pm

So, I decided to bust down some random killer in Windhelm. Dunno why I bothered. And of course I fed on him.

» Mon May 20, 2013 4:50 pm

It'd be fitting, given the number of graphics cards I've melted throughout my time using 360s. Or are you referring to a vampire's inherent weakness to fire? That wouldn't have bugged me too much, given that I have some spell absorption and maxed magic resistance.

» Mon May 20, 2013 9:03 am

Both.

» Mon May 20, 2013 8:12 pm

New challenge!!

Walk into either solitude or windhelm in vampire lord form and go on a mass killing spree.
AND time yourself to see how long you can last before dying. And your bounty as well.

I tried it last night and I lasted 6 hrs and raised a bounty of 50000 septims.

» Mon May 20, 2013 4:00 pm

This is true.

» Tue May 21, 2013 12:49 am

Guess we both have vamp chars don't we, I still say my wolf vs my vamp would be a close fight because my vamp wouldn't even use blood magicks or powers, it would be up close and personal.

» Mon May 20, 2013 8:12 pm

If its claws vs claws your wolf would win far quicker.

» Mon May 20, 2013 12:52 pm

Not necessarily, both are powerful fighters and could probably match each other blow for blow in a claw vs claw fight.

» Mon May 20, 2013 3:52 pm

No that's not true. Powerful yes but vampires are mainly magic users while wolves are purely hand to hand. Wolves claws do more damage plus we have a larger stamina pool so we can do far more claw damage per swipe than a vampire. Vampires may have the poison claws but our claw damage plus the perk outweighs it (at some point someone calculated the damage and wolves had higher damage).
Plus wolves can take more punishment than the vampires due to health pool.

» Mon May 20, 2013 3:21 pm

Depends on the vampire though.

» Mon May 20, 2013 2:59 pm

What do you mean by that? I'm talking about the Lords.

» Mon May 20, 2013 4:47 pm

Taken from a base gameplay-mechanic perspective:

Depends on the Vampire because there are different builds. Werewolves (as I remember, I may be wrong) are about the same regardless of the base characters' build. Their stamina and health pools don't fluctuate, or if they do it's very little. The Vampire Lord form is more reliant on the base character's build. That build is drastically reflected while transformed. Some Vamps might focus on beefing up their stamina pools and/or their health pools, which would drastically change their Lord's pool. So in that regard the Lord could match the Wolfs' own stamina pool, or at least get really close to it. Imho, it's foolish for a vamp to do so, since it negates every bonus that makes Vampires so ominous and deadly, but to each their own .

But! That still doesn't change the fact that Griffix is right. Werewolves can generate greater damage output per swing than a Vampire Lord, regardless of the Lord's build....or even the base Wolf's build. Bottom line, in a slapping contest the Wolf will win 8 or 9 out of 10 rounds. Easy. Factor in the poison claws (if they even count. Don't WWs gain immunity to poison?) and the bat swarm and that might bump the Lord's chances...but we're still looking at 7 out of 10 in favor of the wolf.

Now factor in the Werewolf's "[censored] slap" maneuver that knocks you down, guaranteeing around 4 free hits, and the Lord's chances of survival drop considerably. Granted, this is all my conjecture, but it's based on what I've seen so far in game since vanilla.

So in short: I'm with Griffix on this one.

That's not to say that the Vampire Lord's can't deal out a whallop with their claws. It just means that they'd have a really hard time trying to take on a Werewolf with just claws. But that's the beauty of the Lords. They have so many tricks that make them deadlier and increase survival. If anything the Lord's (using all their tricks) are more likely to out last any wolf. Sure, a wolf can regen Hp by feeding, but remember that just leaves them open for free attacks, likely negating whatever benefit that would bring them.

Now, to say something like "I would just run into the woods and loose him, feed and return to battle!" then you'd be getting into game play tactics, and that's an entirely different discussion. Imho.

» Mon May 20, 2013 8:36 am

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» Mon May 20, 2013 9:07 am

I think my "Vampress" Lord is one sixy Devil.

» Mon May 20, 2013 4:31 pm

VLs can actually get a much larger pool of health. Up to 500 points extra, to be exact. Werewolves get about 150 extra, from what I can tell. Doesn't mean much now that there's no level cap, but just throwing that out there.

» Mon May 20, 2013 8:33 am

That brings up a question. Are the forms still level capped? I would imagine that they would be, but just thought I'd ask

This is a good point. I was wrong in my statement above about health pools . It pays to look it up before posting

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Vampire_Lord
http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Lycanthropy

WWs get a bonus of +150hp, where VLs get +350. If I understand that right. Someone check my work there! lol This is all assuming both characters are at level 50 and fully perked.

» Mon May 20, 2013 6:06 pm

Technically with 1.9 all the health and stamina stuff is thrown right out the window.