Aside from the superficial aspects of the water, I just love the motion of it. I grew tired of the stagnate water in the previous . Skyrim's water just makes the world seem that much more alive.

Agree with this 100%.

Has anyone heard of the speed of the water? Are there varying current speeds?

I think that it would be cool if there were parts of rivers where it's impossible to swim upstream.

Bodies/items actually move with the currents now. Todd told one of the journalists at a demo session that if he put the bodies in the water, he could follow it downstream for a long time.

Bodies/items actually move with the currents now. Todd told one of the journalists at a demo session that if he put the bodies in the water, he could follow it downstream for a long time.

I read that one too.

I don't recall them saying anything about the speed of it. Have you heard anything about the speed or varying speed of currents?

I haven't seen anything about varying speeds, but I would be surprised if all of the rivers have the same current.

One thing is for sure. The frozen lakes will be pretty motionless.

Haha, very true. Another journalist mentioned a river that was iced over, but had holes throughout with water underneath. Cool stuff. Also, your dead body plummeting idea gets a :thumbsup:

Haha, very true. Another journalist mentioned a river that was iced over, but had holes throughout with water underneath. Cool stuff. Also, your dead body plummeting idea gets a :thumbsup:

Oh, boy. And you know what's hiding beneath the ice ready to pull you in?

The water in the leaked PAX footage looked much better than the E3 demo. They've improved it greatly.

Oh, boy. And you know what's hiding beneath the ice ready to pull you in?

I wonder at what point, if ever, Bethesda will take a step back and agree it's time for a completely new engine... like they did back when they started working on Morrowind. I mean, it's not that big of a deal, now. Many engines carry traces of code from the engines they descended from... such as how you'll find a lot of Carmack's own coding in plenty of engines that supposedly branched off years ago. However, there will come a point when having remnants of Morrowind's coding in Bethesda's engine just won't be good enough, I imagine. It's only been 9 years, so that time isn't quite now, certainly, and after extensively modifying the engine as they just did, I imagine they'll use it for at least one more game, so perhaps for a Fallout 4 on the next console generation... but then what?

When they move to next gen.

For a game with the interactivity and, well, sheer amount of things to do, and on a 360, I certainly am not complaining. Given the choice of a modified Gamebryo, with a few unwanted 'artefacts', but the ability to interact with insects and pick up every knife and fork, or a truly beautiful world, where interaction with the scenery is limited to chests that glow, it's a no-brainer. Creation looks more than good enough considering the depth of character - world interactivity. A few graphical oddities, like a clear view down througgh the water, or the rain under shelters, might upset some, but I am sure I will be fine with it.

I think it looks like this http://i1-news.softpedia-static.com/images/news2/Beautiful-Woman-Are-Programmed-to-Be-Unfaithful-2.jpg

Dude who is that?

These things should be easily corrected, though... or at least they have been corrected by mods. MGE for Morrowind even corrects the rain under shelters thing... but anyway, that's not what my remark on it being the same engine is about. I'm genuinely curious on when they might opt to create an entirely new engine. My thoughts on this engine's origins are simply that. They've rewritten a lot of things, but it's clear that their old engine is very much the base.