Hello there, just curious to know what everyone's opinion on this would be. I managed to confuse a mod when asking where to post a topic like this, whether it was bad wording on my part or just a misunderstanding, so please bare(bear?) with me.

Both TES and Fallout have modding software available on PC, and its highly unlikely the same software would be available on consoles like the 360 and PS3.

so my question is; over the next, say, 5-10 years, can we expect the PC to still have that key feature that boosts replay value ten-fold? if so, would I need a crazy computer to play the games on/use the mod software?

also, what about any new consoles out around that time? I don't know about anything currently, but I got money down that by 2016 at least Microsoft has a new system.

what I basically want to know is, should I go by a pro PC and use that for games like this? I would love to be able to "tinker" with Fallout and TES and what-not, but don't want to go spend $1500-2000 if it isn't worth it in the long run. especially if it's discontinued as a gaming platform.

Bethesda is smart and I feel they will let us continue to mod TES an FO in the future it's makes for good business and repeat customers also more game sales (PC anyway).
IMO consoles will NEVER see legal modding to much money loss for them :rolleyes: and you do not need to spend that kind of money to get a good PC to play these games right now. If you can build one (very easy to do or learn) you can spend about 600-700 $ for a rig that will run it on high settings...but I couldn't even hazard a guess on PC requirements for new TES coming out in November this year.


bigcrazewolf

pc gaming will always be better for customization... consoles for the plug and play...

computer also are useful in other was.... browsing the internet and what not... new consoles are catching up...

fact is pc gaming has more potential but console gaming is more accessable to the normal gamer...

you can build a good gaming system for way under 1k... no need to go over board... just do some research and stay on top of new upgrades and buy up last months hot thing for half off LOL...

seriously tho best to build a comp yourself...

so honestly up to you... if you can't see yourself keeping up to date with whats new i'd go console but you sacrifice great mods and customization... also optimization... higher resolutions and most modern computers can connect via HDMI to a big screen so that arguement is out the window...

i know didn't give good info but hopefully food for thought

I'm a control freak, I like to take advantage of newer hardware to get better graphics and performance, I like to tweak things, and I like to use a mouse for first-person games, so I prefer to play most games on a PC if I can. I even have a PC connected to my living room home theater and a wireless Xbox 360 controller receiver for it.

I hope the answer to your question is "yes." Consoles are fine and I own several, but after being a PC gamer for many years I feel a little hamstrung by their limitations. Also, if you're spending $1500 - $2000 on a gaming PC you're likely being ripped off. IMO you're better off building one or having a friend build you one from parts, which isn't as difficult as it sounds and can net you a great gaming PC for $500 - $1000. If you don't have access to someone willing to do that I'd recommend buying a non-gaming PC and adding a better video card to it, as PCs made for gaming aren't much different and tend to come with a large price premium attached to them. If you decide to buy a non-gaming PC and upgrade the video I'd recommend getting some pointers on what to buy (either from a friend or in an online forum), because not all non-gaming PCs are equipped to be upgraded in such a way.

I built my PC 3 years ago and spent about $1000. I can play FONV on the highest settings. I agree with Softnerd that I would NEVER pay $2000 for a PC. Sure I could make an awesome rig with that much. Or, I could spend $1000 now and play every game on the highest settings for 3 years and $1000 3 years later that would blow that $2000 PC out of the water.

Computer games just aren't accelerating in spec requirements at the same pace that they used to.

For sure, my cousin put a better video card in his rig which wasn't a piece of junk at all but the power supply was not powerful enough to run the new card so his motherboard fried on him :facepalm: .....so as Softnerd put it get some pointers, you could hit up the boards here just post in the correct one and I'm sure someone will lend you a hand.

good luck

bigcrazewolf

PC's with the current engine on Bethesda products like TeS and FO.
Don't really need to be top of the line, even a fairly decent one will run them and their mods.

With the new engine coming out for Skyrim that may change, but these games have to run across platforms.
So creating something that would exceed the system on any of them would be bad for buisness, I would hazzard.

PC's offer more variety with mods,
However the current tend of buying a game playing it then putting it aside for a new one, goes quite deep.
As can be seen here on the forum, and on the achievment tables on steam.
So it's more for those that dedicate themselves to a certain game or series and continue to play it with or without mods.

Well I'm glad they're more affordable than I thought. I would love to build my own but, well, simply put I know nothing about that kind of stuff. so if I by parts separately it would actually save me money in the long run?

but this seems to be straying from the core of my question, which I knew would get confused with all the other stuff, but I would like to know if games like fallout/TES are likely to continue with the modding software.

thanks to everyone for the replies, though. it was kind of a two-part question, so I appreciate the replies. definatly thinking about piecing together a computer, just have to find someone that will put it together. as easy as it may seem for some of you guys, the most simple Lego constructions I would fling across the room in frustration when I was a kid. I just can't make things.

My advice it may be cheeper to have someone you know build one.

If however you're honestly not..
A. confidant or..
B. Used to working on pc's and their problems.

Going to a chain store would be safer imo.
Just make sure what you're getting it for and ask the kind of requirements on forums like this one so you have a clue as to what youll need.
That and if something goes wrong you will have either a tempory warranty or some insurance offered for a price.
Then just return it if needed.

Yes check out Newegg.com







Yes I think we will continue to be allowed to mod Bethesda's games ^

:fallout: bliviongate:


bigcrazewolf

my bad, thanks. to much to read at once, and I've had a few brewskis in me...I look at my iphone too long and i get double vision...if there wasn't a spell corrector this post would be a mess. that and I have an annoyance towards laziness in writing, especially on something like a forum.

wow! I'm rambling on a forum. I'm going back to hang out with my friends now...thanks though!!

I like tigerdirect and I didn't know how to build a comp but I had one friend tell me a little and now I've built my third, it is not hard at all if you can figure things out for yourself and then when you need to replace that motherboard you can. You can even buy barebone kits or call tigerdirect and they'll help you. Also anyone that has a pc here can help you.

Because they are being held back by the old(very old) spec consoles. Unfortunately the developers think that is where the market is. Idiots :facepalm:

Currrently we are so far above the curve with gaming hardware as far as games go, that even a cheap mid level rig, if specced out right, can blow away any game that is currenlty made. I don't see much to change this in the near future. Unless game developers wake up and see the potential of all that excess processing power.




Bethesda would be commiting corporate suicide to not offer an Editor on their open world games. Fortunately, they know this and it is tattooed on their Cerebral Cortex so they will never make the mistake of releasing a game like this without an Editor.

Not so much repeat sales from Modding but the fact mods keep the game alive. People are still playing a game that is almost 10 years old mostly due to mods. Sure, a number still play because it is a good game, but folks today can make that game look like any other modern RPG with mods. That keeps it fresh for people.

As a general rule, I would say PC is always the better choice. For the sole reason of upgradeable. Both in the games you play on them and the hardware. Your PC will always be generations above any console game's specs if you keep it reasonably up to date. (like 2 gens from top will do it.) You'll then Enjoy better graphics, mods and the ability of your PC to you know actually do other stuff then gaming.

pc has a mere fraction of the total number of players if u take into consideration ps3 ps2 w11 xbox xbox 360,it would be stupid for bethesda to focus on a system that isnt exploding with new suscribers .IF anything id say bethesda/most developers will abandon the pc except for maybe blizzard and thats because they lucked out with wow.I dont understand why pc has been left alones but if i had to guess id say hackers /pirates.
Anyways this is just present times consoles could croak but thats doubtful

Really? could you elaborate on this? does anyone else feel this way?

Meh, I'm not that all that concerned with super-graphics. Sure it looks real nice, but people tend to forget that a proper atmosphere and good and well worked on visual style work a long way as well.


Heck games older than 10 years still see some modding.
Many developers have seen the use and advantage of offering modding tools. They help bind costumers to a product and a studio.


I'd say you are dead wrong.

PC isn't going to die and they aren't going to abandon it (This discussion started at least 6 years ago). I'd say they've been getting back into PC's. A lot more (near) simultaneous releases these days, rather than waiting half a year for the PC-version.
Also Steam and other digital distributions is huge, they'd be cutting their own profits by completely ditching the platform.
Games have really become cross-platform, I'd say with development quite often being done for multiple platforms.

In my opinion, Real Time Strategies, Point&Click adventures (been years since I've seen a good one -sigh-) and Diablo style Hack&Slash games will always be on pc. Not to mention the MMORPG community (and that's not just WoW.). And I'm not even mentioning the mods. Why do you think there are still people playing Morrowind?

Because it's a great game, with near to a unique setting as possible..

However Mods add the gravy to the yorkshires.

The better question would be why are console users still playing Oblivion, and that's because it offers a release that they crave.
As do a bunch of rpg's, even those with less mod potential.

PC won't be abandoned. There are more than enough PC players to make porting the game from the consoles profitable, and Steam increases both the potential market and the profit (by eliminating a lot of unnecessary costs).

Plus, look at ESV:Skyrim and Fallout:NV and check out how many features are adaptions/extensions of popular mods or mod features. Bethesda isn't gonna give up their best research department.

AKA buying Alienware. Its quite possible to get a pre-built computer for around 700 dollars that can max any game on the market right now and anything coming out in the near future.

Not trying to flame but if you think im wrong how often are pc only games released and how many are console based then hopped over to pc.And pc wont go like the dinosoars in a huge flash but if i had to guess with recent information it will continue to decline unless something unforseen changes that.Aka some reporter catching obama playing wow or soemthing haha.Anyways when my xbox croaks ill head back to the pc legions and start a console war where only the mouse will survive F E A R M E ;p started gaming on doom for pc*got love * lol

I don't belive this to be accurrate. Computer hardware has slowed, and only in that people aren't getting the best systems and the development has slowed some. Games, however, still push the hardware. When oblivion came out, no system could run it really good on high, same with Crysis and most new games. FONV was build off an engine that's been around for years, so that's why you don't need a massive system to run it on high

I don't think that makes much sense. Console exclusives tend to come from deals cut with the console manufacturers. Even then, they often end up on PC eventually (Red Dead Redemption is rumored to be coming to PC this year). As long as companies can make money from PC versions, there is no reason to stop making them.

I'd have to see stats to believe it "continue(s) to decline".