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Post » Mon Jun 28, 2010 3:09 pm

Azura is the Daedric prince whose sphere is dusk and dawn, the magic in-between realms of twilight. She is also known as the Queen of Dawn and Dusk,


what? how can it be a prince if its a girl and a queen? princess maybe but PRINCE?
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Post » Mon Jun 28, 2010 10:56 am

Azura is the Daedric prince whose sphere is dusk and dawn, the magic in-between realms of twilight. She is also known as the Queen of Dawn and Dusk,


what? how can it be a prince if its a girl and a queen? princess maybe but PRINCE?


The Daedra Lords are of no gender. They may choose to appear as whatever they please. It pleases Lord Azura to appear as a bountiful and benevolent female who has the best interests of "her" people the Dunmer at heart. Whether "she" is anything of the kind is left to your interpretation.

All are properly referred to as "Prince" or "Lord"; those who take female form may also be referred to as "Queen" or "Lady".
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Post » Mon Jun 28, 2010 7:08 am

In addition to what Dogsbody said, the plural for the Daedric Princes is well.....princes. Just how it goes.
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Post » Mon Jun 28, 2010 5:45 pm

The term "Prince" isn't exclusive to being the male son of a King, or a male at all, that's just the definition that's most common. The actual term can refer to any ruler (male or female) or any prominent figure within a certain group... similarly, the Queen of England is also a Prince...
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Post » Mon Jun 28, 2010 3:11 pm

Considering the wiki ripped that phrase straight from The Book of Daedra, I think EPICFAIL just epically failed in checking his sources.
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Post » Mon Jun 28, 2010 1:30 pm

Considering the wiki ripped that phrase straight from The Book of Daedra, I think EPICFAIL just epically failed in checking his sources.


lol yes

Just the same as Almalexia being referred to as one of the "God-Kings" of Morrowind.

Basically, when you're a god, when people worship you, you can call yourself what you like.
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Post » Mon Jun 28, 2010 6:26 pm

There is a refreshing reclamation of the universal 'He' in the ES world. As opposed to modern scholarly thought that tries twisting the English language into sometimes indecipherable gender nonspecific terminology. Of course, it is English's own fault that it can only refer to a specific person, or a nonspecific group of people. But that's a discussion for another website.

Also, try to avoid the wiki at all costs. It isn't the most accurate tool to educate yourself. Of course, that was two years ago and I don't know how it has changed.
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Post » Mon Jun 28, 2010 10:41 am

The wiki is sourced a lot better than it used to be, but some articles still contain copious amounts of really devoted fan [censored].
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Post » Mon Jun 28, 2010 12:42 pm

The wiki is sourced a lot better than it used to be, but some articles still contain copious amounts of really devoted fan [censored].


At least the accuracy of the gameplay information is, while probably not 100% perfect, it's accurate enough to trust.
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Post » Mon Jun 28, 2010 9:54 pm

At least the accuracy of the gameplay information is, while probably not 100% perfect, it's accurate enough to trust.

And better than Prima. :shrug:
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Post » Mon Jun 28, 2010 10:29 am

The main problem with the UESP (and any wiki for that matter) is that anyone can add/delete/change the info in them. Therefore the info isn't always accurate. I myself made a small contribution to the UESP to correct some inaccurate info. It had to do with the Levitation Glitch that can occur when activating the Shrine of Daring in Vivec. The original info indicated that the glitch was rare and doesn't affect everyone. Through some experimentation I discovered that glitch is actually caused by having God Mode(TGM) on when activating the shrine.
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Post » Mon Jun 28, 2010 9:29 am

The main problem with the UESP (and any wiki for that matter) is that anyone can add/delete/change the info in them. Therefore the info isn't always accurate. I myself made a small contribution to the UESP to correct some inaccurate info. It had to do with the Levitation Glitch that can occur when activating the Shrine of Daring in Vivec. The original info indicated that the glitch was rare and doesn't affect everyone. Through some experimentation I discovered that glitch is actually caused by having God Mode(TGM) on when activating the shrine.

However, the wiki does go out of its way to verify the information. It is impossible for everything to be correct.
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Post » Mon Jun 28, 2010 7:43 am

I find that to be a strength for the wiki, more than a weakness. I had noticed a major error in the pre-wiki uesp, and the error-reporting option wasn't working, so I had no way to tell them it was wrong. Now whenever an error is seen it can be easily fixed with no delay.

I remember hearing some incorrect info straight from the guidebook. No matter what the hint source, it will never be 100% accurate or 100% complete. Even checking stuff yourself with the TES Construction Set can mislead you if you miss a slight detail.
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Post » Mon Jun 28, 2010 7:12 pm

the Queen of England is also a Prince...


There is no Queen of England. It was abolished four hundred years ago.

But Daedra Lords choose their genders - some appear intentionally as hermaphrodites. They can alter themselves biologically and physically, so whether they do actually take on these genders is something that's open for debate. But as for a starting gender, they have none, and it wouldn't matter if they did because they can change it anyway.
Daedra Princes is the phrase used for Daedra that appear as female, as 'prince' is a gender-crossing word.
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Post » Mon Jun 28, 2010 4:32 pm

There is no Queen of England. It was abolished four hundred years ago.


Perhaps no RULING monarch, but there is a figurehead.
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Post » Mon Jun 28, 2010 1:47 pm

don't start him on Britain please
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Post » Mon Jun 28, 2010 4:36 pm

don't start him on Britain please


The above is good advice. It also includes your answer ;)

But, seriously, people using Britain and England to mean the same thing is something I can't stand. Sorry. I'll get out of the thread now, anyway, I've said my piece.
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Post » Mon Jun 28, 2010 10:27 pm

Prince can just mean ruler.

As in Machiavellis "The Prince".

Elizabeth the first was referred to as "a prince".

This is the sense in which Daedra are princes.
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Post » Mon Jun 28, 2010 8:09 pm

There is no Queen of England. It was abolished four hundred years ago.

Well, it wasn't technically abolished as much as it evolved into a new title. The Monarch of Great Britain and Ireland. England is just the premier power of the constitute countries, and that's why people usually refer the Monarchy of England as the exact same as the Monarchy of Great Britain. It's not technically correct, but not that bad of a mix-up since people mean the same thing. Too make it even more complicated, using the word "queen" alone is incorrect. Her Majesty is actually a "Queen Regnant", as opposed to a "Queen Consort". This is because Britain is still a kingdom.

A good explanation for the word "prince" would be to make it's definition "ruler". But it's still a masculine word.
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Post » Mon Jun 28, 2010 7:19 am

Considering the wiki ripped that phrase straight from The Book of Daedra, I think EPICFAIL just epically failed in checking his sources.


Someone put information on the interest that was wrong..... Please say this is impossible. :rofl:
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Post » Mon Jun 28, 2010 10:59 pm

Well, it wasn't technically abolished as much as it evolved into a new title. The Monarch of Great Britain and Ireland. England is just the premier power of the constitute countries, and that's why people usually refer the Monarchy of England as the exact same as the Monarchy of Great Britain. It's not technically correct, but not that bad of a mix-up since people mean the same thing. Too make it even more complicated, using the word "queen" alone is incorrect. Her Majesty is actually a "Queen Regnant", as opposed to a "Queen Consort". This is because Britain is still a kingdom.

A good explanation for the word "prince" would be to make it's definition "ruler". But it's still a masculine word.


Even though Britain hasn't had a king for more than half a century.
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Post » Mon Jun 28, 2010 2:32 pm

Even though Britain hasn't had a king for more than half a century.


It still abides by a male-preference primogenture. Her Majesty's father, the old king, just didn't have any male children to pass the crown to. It was the same case with Henry VIII (he did have a son, who was king, but he died) and the ascension of Elizabeth I, Queen Victoria, and Elizabeth II.
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