I tend to not take strategy guides seriously because sometimes the arthur of the guide will make stuff up about the story or characters that isn't true, I learned that when I purchased the guide for Resident Evil Outbreak. I suppose some of that stuff could be true, obviously Eulogy is meant to be like a pimp. But some of that I just don't buy like the idea of Clover being a former Raider who became a slave. I think somebody came up with that just because of her mohawk, but they fail to realize that Raiders are not the only NPCs in the game who wear mohawks and many female slavers are shown to have shaved haircuts too so obviously it's meant to be a uniform thing among the Slavers (and Clover technically counts as a Slaver more than a Slave).

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I don't think that Clover is an former raider at all. It's possible, I guess, but is more likely she is just a captured wastelander brainwashed to serve Eulogy's needs.

I always recruit Clover and treat her kindly and offer her a life of adventure. It's why it always annoys me when she says 'I wonder what Eulogy is doing...' :stare:

Well you know what they say, once you go black you never go back.

I always thought it was because she was bored of you :/.

Well obviously Clover still holds some attachment to Eulogy. Racial joking aside Clover is probably used to a master who's very depraved and demented like Eulogy is and since the Lone Wanderer is just an inexperienced kid raised in a vault shelter his whole life she probably doesn't feel as excited around him as she does Eulogy even when he can be just as evil. Eulogy is the more experienced evil master and to be honest Clover probably enjoys being abused by her master on some level, and the LW isn't meant to be as abusive as Eulogy is.

Maybe the Master/Slave relationship between Eulogy and Clover is purely a sixual relationship. He did say she was crazy in the sack. Maybe she's loyal to him because [insert things I probably shouldn't say on the forum here]. Let's face it, the Lone Wanderer is fresh out of a vault, sheltered and virginal. He/She didn't get any off Amata so unless Butch taught him/her a thing or two he/she's probably pretty boring

I didn't really leave. I've just been hanging out in the other forums and am currently consumed by modding NV, but I got bored not talking about FO3. How ya been?



I don't think she's a Raider either. She'd be a lot dirtier for one thing (her skin). She's too clean.



I hate it when she says that too. I always want to tell her that he's [censored] Crimson. I figure that would shut her up.

Slave/Master or Sadist/Masochist it's all the same.

MOD IDEA!!

He's 19.....as soon as Clover puts the make on the LW and he figures out she's game for just about anything he'll learn fast. But her relationship with Eulogy isn't based on anything healthy. He beat, ra.ped, and played mind games with her until she was broken then he shaped her into what he wanted, a six-toy that would fight to protect him.

I've also been exploring the Mojave as well though have had little time to play recently. I swear I spend more time on these forums than I do actually playing the game. :huh:



I'd have to cover Dogmeat's ears before even dreaming of saying such a thing!

It's probably true, though.

I just figured the Slavers cleaned her up when she was captured.

No one knows for sure. But I think her being a former Raiders goes a long way towards explaining her violent nature. Normal wastelanders tend to just run away from dangers.

Of course that change could have taken place after capture. But being a former raider would provide more of a background for that violence, and also her skill with weapons.

So maybe Eulogy just gave her a bath.

Well I agree with IIamaRCA that she seems much too clean to be a former Raider, plus there's a couple of dirty Slavers wondering around so I doubt they would have cared enough to give her a bath after they captured her. I think the idea of her turning violent after Eulogy captured and brainwashed her just seems more plausible. Plus we all know Eulogy has a particular fondess of child slaves because he says they can be raised to be more obedient to their masters unlike captured advlts who will try to run away. So it's possible that Crimson and Clover were captured as children, either from Little Lamplight like Bumble or they were orphaned after Slavers killed their parents or captured and sold their parents leaving them in Eulogy's care. As child slaves they were raised by Eulogy who abused them sixually, physically, and psychologically untill they became completely submissive, and probably saw him as a sort of authority figure. When you think about that it says something even more disturbing about Eulogy... :mellow:

A NV style companion quest to discover her backstory would be great. Let's say it triggers when visiting a particular location or talking to a certain character. This would cause her to recall a blurred memory from her past, and the quest would consist of visiting these locations and speaking to certain characters to help rediscover her identity, independence and life before ending up at Paradise Falls.

I could see it taking us to places such as Big Town, or Temple of the Union and locating items from her past, like a childhood diary, a painting, or an old teddy bear. Each quest step would make her remember a little bit more about herself.

Perhaps we would learn a bit more about her family. Perhaps there she has a relative still alive at Rivet City, or a younger brother at Little Lamplight.

Eventually she would rediscover her old self and regain her identity. I could see her being a writer, artist, or cook. Something creative, I think. Something unique that had long since been brainwashed out of her due to too many years at Paradise Falls.

Yes, she could have been a Raider and Eulogy could have given her a bath

But, there's really nothing about her to suggest she was a Raider. She can fight, but Eulogy could have trained that into her if he wanted a bodyguard (all the slavers fight). I don't know where the background story of her being a Raider came from that's why I'm skeptical. If it came from Beth then it's true. If somebody else made it up then it's just speculation and sure, it's as good as any other story we can make up about her.

I don't have a favorite theory about who she was before she was taken, but I think she's been a slave since she was a child.

I think the fact that she's an Asian girl with a white mohawk is why some people think she used to be a Raider, but Raiders are not the only NPCs who have those haircuts. There's a few ordinary wastelanders who wear those hairtysles like Trinnie and the lady from Megaton who gives you free stuff for being good, also just about every Slaver chick wears an ugly butch haircut except Cutter but I think it's because she's a doctor and not actually a true Slaver. I think the butch haircuts are just kind of a uniform thing among female Slavers to make them look tough, and Crimson and Clover are listed under the Slaver Class despite the fact that they're supposed to be Slaves so I think the fact that they wear those haircuts is to show their connection to the Slavers.

As for why her hair is white, I don't think she dyes her hair funky colors like the Raiders do. I can't remember wear I heard this, I think it was in the novel Dracula where John Harker's hair had turned white after he escaped from Dracula's Castle, but somewhere I heard that being exposed to a lot of stress can cause your hair to turn white or grey at an early age. I think Clover has white hair to show the intense amount of stress she has been through that shaped her into a submissive bodyguard/concubine slavegirl who will do anything for her master. It's also a part of the whole "Craziest Girl I've ever seen" thing, to show just how damaged her mentality is.

That hair is definitely dyed, and it's supposed to be white blonde. Matching her IQ.

I'm sorry, was that supposed to be a blonde joke?

In a manner of speaking.

She has got a whole 4 points in Intelligence though, so she's pretty smart for a hydrogen peroxide blonde.

Well true she does have low intelligence which is due to the fact that she's a brainwashed slave who only lives to serve her master, however I think her hair is more white than blonde, it only looks blonde when she's out in the sun and the light reflects off it. I think the reason her hair is like that is to show the effects of the psychological abuse she suffered from Eulogy. That's just what I think though. :shrug:

If anything is expressing the psychological and sixual abuse she went through, then it's her emotionless, blank face and the flat, monotonous voice.

The hair is just bleached. No point in coming up with any backstory for that.

Saying her hair is definetly dyed I like saying she definetly used to be a Raider before being captured and turned into a slave. We'll never really know for sure, but we can all make speculations about it. Just remember none of our speculations should be treated as fact because they're not.

I met Clover in Paradise Falls. I killed her when I killed Eulogy Jones.

I did not mean to but she attacked me so I had to kill her.

She seems like a freak.

I don't think there is any reason why she is how she is.

She is psychotic. She likes to follow. She follows and protects whoever owns her.

Maybe at one point she was more free spirited.

But not much more I think.

I am glad I did not have her with me as a companion. She is weird.

Well true Clover is psychotic, but I think it was due to Eulogy abusing and brainwashing her. She was probably born perfectly normal and then when she was captured she was subjected to so much sixual, physical, and psychological abuse that it destroyed her, so she has no sense of "self" anymore as she basically just does whatever her master orders her to do. She is kind of a monster because Eulogy made her into one, but she's still not purely evil because she never harms anyone unless her master orders her to, and usually she does it out of the need to protect her master's life (which when you think about it, protecting another human being from harm without selfish reasons isn't really such an evil deed).

I think of Jericho and Clover as the difference between pure evil and just plain crazy. Jericho is just a sociopath like all Raiders and he has no respect for human life and spent his youth sadistically torturing and killing wastelanders for their valueables. He claims to be "reformed" only because he's too old to hang out with Raider gangs, but he has yet to actually leave his bad habbits behind such as when he almost [censored] Jenny Stahl. Clover on the other hand is a crazy girl, she's not truely evil because she was a victim of an evil man who turned her into a savage killer, but also tamed her like a dog so that she only kills for her master. Whatever trace of humanity Clover had was destroyed by Eulogy so now she has the mentality of a guard dog who is forever obedient to her master. Just like a person who pleads insanity when convicted of murder, Clover can not really be held responible for whatever bad stuff she does for The Lone Wanderer or Eulogy Jones because her mind is damaged severly.

Hmmm..let's see...a thirty something asian chick who kick butts and got a smart mouth.

Who does that reminds me of?

Sydney the relic hunter. What if...twose two are related? Sydney did mentioend that her mommy was gone, so maybe the slavers took her...and her li'l sister Clover. Or maybe she was preggers with clover at the time.







okay..so i'm drunk when i wrote this. Sue me :whistling: