Theory: Mankar Camoran had it backwards : The Elder Scrolls Series Discussion

» Thu May 12, 2011 4:41 pm

True, what do the concepts mean to the very concepts themselves? Mundus presents an interest canvas on which to express their wills.

» Thu May 12, 2011 7:57 pm

Think about how, in the redguard creation myth, spirits circumvent being eaten by Satakal (who continually eats itself) by moving at strange angles. Similarly, Alduin eats the world. The Leaper Demon King moved at strange angles, or "jumped" as it were, to circumvent this cycle of devouring, skin shedding, devouring, and so on. As for his relationship with the greedy man, who better than the King of Leapers to hide parts of the previous kalpa and stick them onto the new one?

So the Leaper Demon King might have leapt all the way into Oblivion? Maybe the Mythic Dawn were onto something. Whatever the answer, Dagon does seem tied to Tamriel more than any other Prince. Regardless of what the plot of Skyrim brings (if too many of the concepts of central Elder Scrolls lore find themselves reduced to a handful of tropes) I do hope we get some in-game books that explore further the trinity of Alduin, The Leaper Demon King and good old Doom Drum. Even, no, especially if its MK authored and leaves us knowing less than we did before.

» Thu May 12, 2011 11:57 am

I'm wondering now if Dagon's Deadlands aren't the sum, yet rough amalgamated bits of creation that he hid from Alduin in previous kalpas, the iconic disfigured landscape the direct result of it not being a proper world, but the compacted remains of a previous one. It should follow then that the invasion, the breakdown of the Dragonfire barriers and the merging of Tamriel and the Deadlands was Dagon just trying to spite the dragon by resuming his old trick.

» Thu May 12, 2011 9:23 pm

The Lords' realms are also monothematic: destruction, madness, knowlege, r*pe (I wonder how THAT looks like

) and so it goes...

Nirn is all of these things and more.

» Thu May 12, 2011 6:36 pm

I think r*pe is Molag Bal's thing.

» Thu May 12, 2011 3:29 pm

I'm wondering now if Dagon's Deadlands aren't the sum, yet rough amalgamated bits of creation that he hid from Alduin in previous kalpas, the iconic disfigured landscape the direct result of it not being a proper world, but the compacted remains of a previous one. It should follow then that the invasion, the breakdown of the Dragonfire barriers and the merging of Tamriel and the Deadlands was Dagon just trying to spite the dragon by resuming his old trick.

I like your ideas. And I love your username.

» Thu May 12, 2011 3:42 pm

I think r*pe is Molag Bal's thing.

When I was a Dark Elven maiden of sixteen, I joined my grandmother's coven, worshippers of Molag Bal, the Schemer Prince. Blackmail, extortion, and bribery are as much the weapons of the Witches of Molag Bal as magic is. The Invocation of Molag Bal is held on the 20th of Evening Star, except in stormy weather. This ceremony is seldom missed, but Molag Bal often appears to his cultists in mortal guise on other dates. When my grandmother died in an attempt to poison the heir of Firewatch, I reexamined my faith in the cult.

Granted old lore, but my point is, you boil down his profile to r*pe when it's more about Domination and a dark mirror to Boethiah's honorable plotting.

» Thu May 12, 2011 2:37 pm

The Lords' realms are also monothematic: destruction, madness, knowlege, r*pe (I wonder how THAT looks like

) and so it goes...

Nirn is all of these things and more.

The realms are of course monothematic because the lords themselves are the embodiment of specific ideas/concepts. Nirn was created by many such personifications/gods, so we'd expect it to have many more flavors than any single Oblivion realm. Just one of the primary reasons for the daedra's interest in Nirn.