A theory as to why Alduin is the Antagonist in Skyrim

Post » Fri Mar 11, 2011 6:16 am

Actually, Anu and Padomay, their spheres and the wheel are as much canonical as canonical goes, unless you want to start over from Sithis.
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Post » Fri Mar 11, 2011 1:07 am

Yesterday I was thinking about it, among several cities, why he attacked Kvatch? :obliviongate:


Martin, the last heir of the septim line, was there. They were trying to kill him and destroyed an entire town to get to him.

Actually, Anu and Padomay, their spheres and the wheel are as much canonical as canonical goes, unless you want to start over from Sithis.


They aren't "wheels". They are primal forces that are combined to create all of creation. They are Order and Chaos, that is all they are. You can't have one without the other and together they make up creation.
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Post » Thu Mar 10, 2011 6:31 pm

Martin, the last heir of the septim line, was there. They were trying to kill him and destroyed an entire town to get to him.



They aren't "wheels". They are primal forces that are combined to create all of creation. They are Order and Chaos, that is all they are. You can't have one without the other and together they make up creation.


But do they know that Martin was the son of the Emperor?
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Post » Fri Mar 11, 2011 4:40 am

Martin, the last heir of the septim line, was there. They were trying to kill him and destroyed an entire town to get to him.



They aren't "wheels". They are primal forces that are combined to create all of creation. They are Order and Chaos, that is all they are. You can't have one without the other and together they make up creation.


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The place where the spheres of Anu and Padomay meet is the Wheel.
The Wheel is kept from dissolution by its spokes wich are the Aedra.
The Wheel turns.
The dragon wakes to eat the world and ensure the Wheel keeps turning.

As I said, get your head into the god-place
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Post » Fri Mar 11, 2011 8:11 am

But do they know that Martin was the son of the Emperor?


Yes, Mehrunes Dagon most likely communicated it to Mankar Camoran. They attacked Kvatch trying to kill him and then they knew that Martin was at the Cloud Ruler Temple and sent spies and even opened an Oblivion gate to destroy Bruma and Cloud Ruler Temple to get at him.

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The place where the spheres of Anu and Padomay meet is the Wheel.
The Wheel is kept from dissolution by its spokes wich are the Aedra.
The Wheel turns.
The dragon wakes to eat the world and ensure the Wheel keeps turning.

As I said, get your head into the god-place


I would be more than happy to go to the god-place if the gods weren't so easily explained as just entities that make themselves seem omnipresent by projecting avatars of themselves that have minute power at best. I don't know how two spheres converging create a wheel though. I would think that two spheres of of power converging would create a point of great power which could be described as mundus if I saw it in the way of the divine. The world doesn't need to be destroyed to be remade to keep the wheel spinning when time is linear and thus requires no interference to continue, just a watcher (Akatosh) to keep it from unraveling (Warp in the west). Besides, why continue to protect the world if Akatosh had always planned to to destroy the world. Whenever the world required help, Akatosh could've just taken that as the cue for reorigination of the world and started over. Besides, it proves that time is linear that it took so much power and sacrifice to create Mundus and Nirn in particular towards Akatosh, that it would be impossible for him and the other divines to remake the world without destroying themselves in the process.
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Post » Fri Mar 11, 2011 6:38 am

Yes, Mehrunes Dagon most likely communicated it to Mankar Camoran. They attacked Kvatch trying to kill him and then they knew that Martin was at the Cloud Ruler Temple and sent spies and even opened an Oblivion gate to destroy Bruma and Cloud Ruler Temple to get at him.


Correct. (see my scholarly brother, we can agree :) )
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Post » Fri Mar 11, 2011 9:51 am

Correct. (see my scholarly brother, we can agree :) )


Indeed. Thus is the wonderful fact that Anu and Padomay can coexist hehe.
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Post » Fri Mar 11, 2011 2:44 am

Also, all the people that quote Imperial Library to prove that Alduin is Akatosh always seems to ignore the very fact that the world isn't so easy to destroy then remake....It took countless Aedra and the divinity and much of the power of the Divines to even make Nirn.

I'm not sure it's necessarily physical destruction. That's something Mehrunes Dagon would do. To me, it seems a more likely interpretation is that Nirn is either wiped clean, or everything is knocked back to pre-civilization, so that it can "restart". The end becomes the beginning. The world isn't destroyed (becuse, as you say, it would be an extremely difficult thing to recreate), more like it's rewound. Nirn itself continues as it always has, but civilzation is destroyed and the inhabitants start over.
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Post » Thu Mar 10, 2011 7:09 pm

I'm not sure it's necessarily physical destruction. That's something Mehrunes Dagon would do. To me, it seems a more likely interpretation is that Nirn is either wiped clean, or everything is knocked back to pre-civilization, so that it can "restart". The end becomes the beginning. The world isn't destroyed (becuse, as you say, it would be an extremely difficult thing to recreate), more like it's rewound. Nirn itself continues as it always has, but civilzation is destroyed and the inhabitants start over.


Try not to think of it as a spring being rewound.
Try seeing it as a wheel wich reaches its next revolution.
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Post » Fri Mar 11, 2011 5:23 am

Try not to think of it as a spring being rewound.
Try seeing it as a wheel wich reaches its next revolution.


Or a wind-up toy that keeps running into the wall :tongue:

Jk, I had nothing to add lorewise as a response at this point, because it really didn't need response from the Ayleid-like point of view. Because it is a sound explanation that has merit even though it doesn't fit my explanation.
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Post » Fri Mar 11, 2011 9:59 am

I'm not sure it's necessarily physical destruction. That's something Mehrunes Dagon would do. To me, it seems a more likely interpretation is that Nirn is either wiped clean, or everything is knocked back to pre-civilization, so that it can "restart". The end becomes the beginning. The world isn't destroyed (becuse, as you say, it would be an extremely difficult thing to recreate), more like it's rewound. Nirn itself continues as it always has, but civilzation is destroyed and the inhabitants start over.

That's how I see it I think. There's a reason why he is called World-eater and not world-destroyer/recreator.
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Post » Fri Mar 11, 2011 10:31 am

Akatosh is Alduin? WTF?
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Post » Fri Mar 11, 2011 12:15 am

What puzzles me is why Akatosh waits 200 years after the Oblivion crises to act...
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Post » Thu Mar 10, 2011 9:21 pm

That's basically the main reason behind every evil person within the last couple Elder Scrolls.

Dagoth Ur wanted to conquer the world
Mehrunes Dagon wanted the Plane of Nirn because he thought it was already his
Alduin's reasons will probably be similar to the two above


Dagoth-Ur only wanted to cleanse Morrowind of outlander rule.
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Post » Thu Mar 10, 2011 7:04 pm

What puzzles me is why Akatosh waits 200 years after the Oblivion crises to act...

It has something to do with the civil war. I guess only time will tell.
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Post » Thu Mar 10, 2011 6:58 pm

Yes, Mehrunes Dagon most likely communicated it to Mankar Camoran. They attacked Kvatch trying to kill him and then they knew that Martin was at the Cloud Ruler Temple and sent spies and even opened an Oblivion gate to destroy Bruma and Cloud Ruler Temple to get at him.



I would be more than happy to go to the god-place if the gods weren't so easily explained as just entities that make themselves seem omnipresent by projecting avatars of themselves that have minute power at best. I don't know how two spheres converging create a wheel though. I would think that two spheres of of power converging would create a point of great power which could be described as mundus if I saw it in the way of the divine. The world doesn't need to be destroyed to be remade to keep the wheel spinning when time is linear and thus requires no interference to continue, just a watcher (Akatosh) to keep it from unraveling (Warp in the west). Besides, why continue to protect the world if Akatosh had always planned to to destroy the world. Whenever the world required help, Akatosh could've just taken that as the cue for reorigination of the world and started over. Besides, it proves that time is linear that it took so much power and sacrifice to create Mundus and Nirn in particular towards Akatosh, that it would be impossible for him and the other divines to remake the world without destroying themselves in the process.



Imagine two spheres in a void.

Imagine the spheres colliding
Where the spheres meet, the area they share, can mathematically only be described as a circle


Hope that helps.

You keep failing to (mis)understand!
Its only linear from the inside!
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Post » Fri Mar 11, 2011 6:54 am

Martin, the last heir of the septim line, was there. They were trying to kill him and destroyed an entire town to get to him.

It's Ironic that a Septim was a priest at a temple dedicated to Akatosh, the god most closely linked with the Septims.
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Post » Thu Mar 10, 2011 11:09 pm

Imagine two spheres in a void.

Imagine the spheres colliding
Where the spheres meet, the area they share, can mathematically only be described as a circle


Hope that helps.

You keep failing to (mis)understand!
Its only linear from the inside!

Shouldn't two spheres colliding either make one whole sphere or just two spheres that are connected at their side?
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Post » Thu Mar 10, 2011 10:17 pm

It's Ironic that a Septim was a priest at a temple dedicated to Akatosh, the guy closely linked to the Septims.


Or was it fate and the magical wheel of the kalpa spinning woOoOooOooOoOoO!\

Shouldn't two spheres colliding either make one whole sphere or just two spheres that are connected at their side?


Thank you, someone that noticed that the two pieces make the whole.
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Post » Fri Mar 11, 2011 5:51 am

Shouldn't two spheres colliding either make one whole sphere or just two spheres that are connected at their side?


Check your math professor, if you still have one, or find someone educated in mathematics.

In mathematics, two perfect spheres colliding can only be represented as a circle.

its really not that hard. imagine two bubbles, both only defined by their outline.
Now the bubbles drift together and merge.
What do these two bubbles share together as boundry territory?
What marks the edge of their union?

Only a circle, and only a circle fits.
If you disagree, please go back to 7yr old math and start over.
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Post » Thu Mar 10, 2011 10:24 pm

Check your math professor, if you still have one, or find someone educated in mathematics.

In mathematics, two perfect spheres colliding can only be represented as a circle.


Are you sure? Because I'm pretty sure when Earth and Nibiru collided we got a bigger sphere and a moon.
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Post » Fri Mar 11, 2011 10:51 am

Are you sure? Because I'm pretty sure when Earth and Nibiru collided we got a bigger sphere and a moon.


And that is of consequence regarding Anu and Padomay colliding because?
So we can move on from that I hope

Sheesh.
The tower is the I that sees the wheel sideways..
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Post » Fri Mar 11, 2011 3:05 am

And that is of consequence regarding Anu and Padomay colliding because?


Because Anu and Padomay became one and became what is the universe. Thus the universe could not exist without both coexisting with each other.
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Post » Fri Mar 11, 2011 9:58 am

Because Anu and Padomay became one and became what is the universe. Thus the universe could not exist without both coexisting with each other.


when the two spheres met there was the circle.
The circle is the Wheel
The Hub of the Wheel is the Mundus
The spokes that bind the wheel are the Aedra
The voids between the spoke number sixteen and are the Daedra
the Tower is the I that sees the Wheel sideways
The wheel turns,
the dragon eats.

So.. we have moved on exactly nothing besides establishing that I am more deeply rooted in lore while you are in history.
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Post » Fri Mar 11, 2011 8:08 am

when the two spheres met there was the circle.
The circle is the Wheel
The Hub of the Wheel is the Mundus
The spokes that bind the wheel are the Aedra
The voids between the spoke number sixteen and are the Daedra
the Tower is the I that sees the Wheel sideways
The wheel turns,
the dragon eats.

So.. we have moved on exactly nothing besides establishing that I am more deeply rooted in lore while you are in history.

Oh god I just had this stupid image in my head that Anu and Padomay rolls over each other just to make the wheel turn.
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