There's something weird going on : IV

» Tue May 08, 2012 11:57 pm

Eh I don't know where to turn to so I'll just post it here. I noticed that the arena blue team gladiator looked to be a vampire. When he's talking I can see his fangs. I thought this was some kind of error then I noticed another NPC a female Ralsa Norvalo had fangs too. Is this normal or is it something to do with my mod list? Eh here you go:

Active Mod Files:

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Unique Forts.esp96  ImpeREAL Forts + Lost Spires + Silverfish River Patch.esp  [Version 1.0]97  West Roads.esp98  Fort Akatosh Redux.esp99  FortAkatoshRedux-NewRoads&Bridges patch.esp++  Cyrodiil Legion Addon.esp  [Version 1.3]9A  Legion Ranger Addon.esp9B  III-RoadBridgesPatch.esp9C  III-BravilBarrowfieldsPatch.esp9D  NRB4+RR Patch.esp  [Version 2.1]9E  Harvest [Flora].esp  [Version 3.0.0]++  Harvest [Flora] - Shivering Isles.esp  [Version 3.0.0]9F  Auto Update Leveled Items And Spells.esp  [Version 1.2.5]A0  CoverYourself.espA1  HUD Status Bars.esp  [Version 5.3.2]A2  EVE_ShiveringIslesEasterEggs.espA3  Skill Perk Descriptions.esp  [Version 1.1]A4  SPTDiverseGuards-Core.espA5  SPTDiverseGuards-Combined-AllRaces.espA6  Storms & Sound - AFK_Weye.espA7  Storms & Sound - The Lost Spires.espA8  Storms & Sound - Better Cities.espA9  Toggleable Quantity Prompt.esp  [Version 3.2.0]AA  RealisticHealth.espAB  RealisticForceMedium.espAC  RealisticMagicForceLow.espAD  RenGuardOverhaul.espAE  SPTDiverseGuards-RGO-Patch.espAF  WR Villages Addon.espB0  Duke Patricks - Actors Can Miss Now.espB1  Oblivion XP.espB2  Oblivion XP - The Lost Spires.espB3  Mayu's Animation Overhaul.espB4  HAZeatanimations.espB5  IDKRRR_C_race.espB6  IDKRRR_C_race_closed_mouth_version.esp++  IDKRRR_C_race_Female_Anime_Voice_CMV.bsa.espB7  Cobl Races.esp  [Version 1.52]++  EVE_KhajiitFix.espB8  bgIntegrationIntegratedEV.esp  [Version 1.0ag]B9  Silverfish&bgIntegrationPatch.espBA  Birthsigns Changed.espBB  Better Cities Full.esp  [Version 5.1.1]BC  Better Imperial City.esp  [Version 5.1.1]BD  Better Cities Full FPS Patch.esp  [Version 5.0.7]BE  Better Cities - All Natural.esp  [Version 4.9.5]BF  Better Cities - Unique Landscape Barrowfields.esp  [Version 4.9.5]C0  Better Cities - Unique Landscape Chorrol Hinterland.esp  [Version 5.1.0]C1  Better Cities - Knights of the Nine.esp  [Version 4.9.8]C2  Better Cities - Unique Landscape Cheydinhal Falls.esp  [Version 5.0.0]C3  Better Cities - Unique Landscape Skingrad Outskirts.esp  [Version 5.1.0]C4  Better Cities - VHBloodlines.esp  [Version 4.8.4]C5  Better Cities - The Lost Spires.esp  [Version 5.0.0]C6  Better Cities - COBL.esp  [Version 2.1]C7  Better Cities - Unique Landscape Imperial Isle.esp  [Version 4.8.1]C8  Better Cities IC Lighting Overhaul.espC9  Better Cities - No LEYAWIIN Flooding.esp  [Version 4.9.0]CA  No More Annoying Merchant Comments - Combined.espCB  Think to Yourself.espCC  BubbleFx.esp++  Cobl Filter Late MERGE ONLY.esp  [Version 1.53]++  Harvest Containers Filter patch for mods.esp  [Version 1.00]**  All Natural - Indoor Weather Filter For Mods.esp  [Version 1.3.2]CD  Bashed Patch, 0.esp

Also I noticed that I got to the Barren Cave that the door was named with a different language. It belongs to Atmospheric Oblivion according to the FormID Finder.

» Tue May 08, 2012 9:05 pm

Load up TES4Edit and see what mods are editing those NPCs.

» Wed May 09, 2012 1:44 am

Fangs... I would suspect a race changing mod. RBP has got such an option, but you don't have that. Maybe Cobl Races?? I just don't know. Is that a recent thing that happened, without changes to your modlist? Maybe load an older save and check whether he had fangs already back then? I use RefScope which is similar to FormIDFinder but can show more things. In RefScope you can see where the various parts e.g. Cosmetics come from, maybe would be useful in your case?

No idea about Barren Cave, sorry.

Aside, I do note that your Cobl is not the newest version (which would be 1.73), and your UOP for KoTN is also an older version.

» Tue May 08, 2012 5:39 pm

Those are from this mod:
46 Vampire Hunting - Order of the Virtuous Blood.esp

I use this mod also and noticed npcs that are vamps. You will see a lot more of vampires now. I really enjoy this mod.

Raed

» Wed May 09, 2012 1:49 am

Fangs... I would suspect a race changing mod. RBP has got such an option, but you don't have that. Maybe Cobl Races?? I just don't know. Is that a recent thing that happened, without changes to your modlist? Maybe load an older save and check whether he had fangs already back then? I use RefScope which is similar to FormIDFinder but can show more things. In RefScope you can see where the various parts e.g. Cosmetics come from, maybe would be useful in your case?

No idea about Barren Cave, sorry.

Aside, I do note that your Cobl is not the newest version (which would be 1.73), and your UOP for KoTN is also an older version.

Eh? Where do I get version 1.73 for COBL? The most recent version I can find from Nexus is 1.72. :eek:

» Tue May 08, 2012 8:56 pm

Those are from this mod:
46 Vampire Hunting - Order of the Virtuous Blood.esp

I use this mod also and noticed npcs that are vamps. You will see a lot more of vampires now. I really enjoy this mod.

Raed

Is that mean that I have to strike them down later down the road?

» Wed May 09, 2012 3:49 am

Vampire Hunting doesn't touch the vanilla gladiators or Ralsa Norvalo... Try Nephenee's or Tommy's suggestions with Tes4edit and Refscope.

» Wed May 09, 2012 12:42 am

I just did a check on the arena blue team gladiator and according to the Refscope (thanks guys :biggrin:

) his eyes are changed by COBL. He doesn't belong to the vampire faction so I don't know what I did. Why would it change him into a vampire I have no clue. :ahhh:

Any thoughts?

» Tue May 08, 2012 11:36 pm

It's not necessary that COBL is changing those NPCs exclusively. check with TES4Edit.

» Tue May 08, 2012 3:58 pm

My only guess would be bgIntegrationIntegratedev.esp.

» Tue May 08, 2012 3:38 pm

Eh? Where do I get version 1.73 for COBL? The most recent version I can find from Nexus is 1.72. :eek:

COBL 1.73 isn't a requirement for most mod setups - unless your using Mart's Monster Mod or FCOM.
Loot Drop Proposal Changes (COBL) http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/download.php?id=49926
I'd stick with 1.72 unless your using MMM or FCOM.

» Tue May 08, 2012 11:53 pm

COBL 1.73 isn't a requirement for most mod setups - unless your using Mart's Monster Mod or FCOM.
Loot Drop Proposal Changes (COBL) http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/download.php?id=49926
I'd stick with 1.72 unless your using MMM or FCOM.

Thank you for clearing that up. :biggrin:

I'll keep that in mind in the future if I decide to install MMM or FCOM.
I have another issue that I find it strange.

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I was in the middle of Order of Virtuous Blood Quest in the temple district. I was in front of Roland's house trying to pick the lock to the door. Near by a Khajit named Matron V'Nil was standing over by a building. When I came out he was dead.

According to the Refscope, he belongs to the Better Cities. Is this a normal behavior for an NPC to die all of a sudden? :blink:

» Tue May 08, 2012 6:43 pm

Maybe he got involved in a fight with the guards?

» Tue May 08, 2012 3:10 pm

Or it could be the issue same as having dead guards that sometimes happened to me with OOO. Keep an eye out to see how often it happens but yeah, it could be he got in a fight and got killed.

» Tue May 08, 2012 5:46 pm

Or it could be the issue same as having dead guards that sometimes happened to me with OOO. Keep an eye out to see how often it happens but yeah, it could be he got in a fight and got killed.

I guess there's nothing I could do about it huh? Oh well, I hope he's not an essential quest giver. :stare:

» Wed May 09, 2012 12:23 am

I don't think anything can kill those. They have the crown symbol when you target them. Or target him, open console, type resurrect. That will bring him back to life.

» Tue May 08, 2012 5:35 pm

Just a hunch, but try disabling RenGuardOverhaul