[lexy]

And Dragonborn cant cast a spell when his brains are all over the floor.

↑ but really I would foresee a draw. Then a partnership. THEN THE MOST EPIC VIDEO GAME EVER! lol

[Nuno Castro]

↑ but really I would foresee a draw. Then a partnership. THEN THE MOST EPIC VIDEO GAME EVER! lol

Haha, that would be one messed up game but very exciting.

[Kayla Oatney]

are we talking about Ullysses aka the original courier 6 or the player courier?

[benjamin corsini]

Player Courier (I think)

[Marie]

NVM who it is, Its really hard to say who would win. The courier has future equipment, explosives, guns, and high tech [censored].
Dovakhin has shouts, bows, magic and swords. its hard if even possible to determine who would win.
my money is on the courier, because im more of a fallout fan the TES

[Lori Joe]

...well, the courier.
Like someone said up in the thread, the Dragonborn will probably be startled and the Courier will just see...

an armored crazy who wants his head.

In this time it wouldn't take much for the Courier to whip out some kind of futuristic weapon and shoot the Dragonborn.

[tegan fiamengo]

The dragonborns shouts are what would make him the winner. You can't shoot a guy that is using whirlwind sprints to move extremely quickly. Not to mention that the dragonborn can summon a dragon. If the courier has trouble killing a deathclaw, how is the courier going to kill the dragonborns dragon while still fighting off the dragonborn.

Aha but thats were stealth comes in, whirlwind sprint is pointless if he cant see the enemy.And odaviin takes about 1-2 mins to actually arrive to battle enough time fot the courier to snipe the dragonborn.

[SHAWNNA-KAY]

@OP what was the best arguments for dovakiin on the tes forums?

[Sam Parker]

The Courier.

Anti-Material Rifle with Explosive Rounds... it's the last thing the Dovahkiin will never see.

Have you seen what an Anti-Material Rifle can do to a Dovahkiin?

[Ells]

It really comes down to "who created the most unbalanced combat". And the answer is Bethesda with Skyrim's Dovahkiin.

Shouts that slow time and summon dragons. Mounted combat. Talents that can turn a shield into an offensive weapon. And spells that can control the minds of weaker enemies.

Even the courier after going through The Big Mt. and becoming a partial cyborg cannot compete with that. But the courier did (potentially) stop 3 armies.

[lucy chadwick]

Dovablabla can use a shield and a ward and it still won't matter crap when the Courier melts him with plasma.

If we outfit both of them with the best possbile stuff, then Courier will never die considering she has auto-stimpaks.

[Sebrina Johnstone]

Oh, it would surely be an dramatic moment with the Dovahkiin plunging a sword in Courier gut while the Courier shoves an pistol to Dovahkins face and pulls the trigger. Both dead and some sad violin music is played in the background.

Spoiler

Cowboy Bebop.

Obscure reference spoiler

But yeah... Dovahkiin has to say at least one full word to win. Courier pulls a trigger, and boom, the chips are his.

[xx_Jess_xx]

Well if it is according to lore the dovawhoha would never win. The courier just has to put some APA or some T-51b and then he could just slapthe dovawhoha into submission.

[Alexis Estrada]

Oh, it would surely be an dramatic moment with the Dovahkiin plunging a sword in Courier gut while the Courier shoves an pistol to Dovahkins face and pulls the trigger. Both dead and some sad violin music is played in the background.

I vote this ending, then they have an endless battle up in Sovngarde.

[Reanan-Marie Olsen]

@OP what was the best arguments for dovakiin on the tes forums?

Basically how Daedric Armor was somehow just as good as Enclave PA (Not a good argument but one they used). They also said a healing spell would out do stims and how Dragonborn had the ability to summon a dragon and become etheral to avoid damage.

[Silvia Gil]

Dovahkiin beats Courier 6. Dovahkiin could paralyze Courier 6 with ease, stop time, and get right up next to him with a heavily poisoned daedric sword and finish him off. The only chance the courier has is armor piercing ammo, in which Dovahkiin could just use stone flesh.

Yeah. It's too bad that you play a rich demigod the entire game.

"Oh, you helped the Jarl of Whiterun? Oh, we forgot to tell you; You can't die, and here's a mansion."

The Courier would win. The [censored] Dragonborn would be a pile of goo before he know what hit him.

[Maya Maya]

Basically how Daedric Armor was somehow just as good as Enclave PA (Not a good argument but one they used). They also said a healing spell would out do stims and how Dragonborn had the ability to summon a dragon and become etheral to avoid damage.

Haha, by the time that useless Dragon came around the Courier would be long gone. I can just imagine the Diva-kan, "You're in for it now, buster!" while The Courier melts him with a Plasma Caster or Gatling Laser. Jesus, this is a silly discussion anyway.

[jenny goodwin]

Dovahkiin beats Courier 6. Dovahkiin could paralyze Courier 6 with ease, stop time, and get right up next to him with a heavily poisoned daedric sword and finish him off. The only chance the courier has is armor piercing ammo, in which Dovahkiin could just use stone flesh.

Dovahkiin can't stop time, that's the Champion of Cyrodiil.

Dovahkiin would never be able to CATCH Courier Six. Turbo + Travel Light and he simply runs faster. Toss Rushing Water into the equation and he can fire multiple times a second. Any shout simply wouldn't work because the Courier can "slow time" (slow his perception of time) far better than the Dovahkiin can. Dovahkiin can slow time, but he also slows himself in the process; the Courier is only slowing his perception of time, thus speeding himself up drastically.

And therein lies the problem: one has a gun, the other has a knife, the guy with the gun runs faster than the guy with the knife. Sure, he's got a bow too, but arrows aren't exactly the fastest projectiles and are thus easily dodged when your opponent has time moving half as fast. Just keep kiting the Dovahkiin and firing shots that deal 200 damage, 300 on a crit. Lay down Satchel charges for another 250 damage, keeping him from getting close. Hell, even if he finally DID catch the Courier, one could assume the Courier would definitely get the first few shots in thanks to Turbo and VATS. All it takes is ONE Paralyzing palm and the Dovahkiin is down for the count. Paralyzing palm + a melee or unarmed weapon that pierces defense rating and the end.

These sorts of fights are best determined by who has the most tools available to them. Courier Six can slow time (fully, not that half-assed version Dovahkiin gets), increase his attack rate to godlike speed, get maxed defense, cure poison, go invisible, see invisible targets, run fast as hell, deal upwards of 200 damage per shot, and the main factor: he has range. Range that moves fast, not slow range like a bow.

[Jonny]

FUS RO-- *Dead*

[Matt Fletcher]

FUS RO-- *Dead*

Under Turbo it's just gonna sound like "FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUS
RRRRRRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO....."

Courier will have dodged it before it's even been launched. Even if Dovahkiin used Storm Call, the Courier can get out of the area (it only works AROUND Dovahkiin) before it even starts.

And what of Esther? What of Annabelle? What of explosive rounds in an AMR? How is Dovahkiin gonna cope with any of these?

[BethanyRhain]

What of explosive rounds in an AMR?

Have you seen what an Anti-Material Rifle can do to a Dovahkiin?

[Laura Ellaby]

The dovakin wins... cause he leveled alchemy, smithing and enchanting to 100 nothing hurts em and he does a billion damage, pauses reality to drink 1 of a 10 thousand health potions and drinks invisabitlty potions out the wazoo and His limbs cant be crippled.

Basicly the Dragonborn is wayyyyyy op.... mabey superman or Mighty mouse might stand a chance.

[Shannon Marie Jones]

The dovakin wins... cause he leveled alchemy, smithing and enchanting to 100 nothing hurts em and he does a billion damage, pauses reality to drink 1 of a 10 thousand health potions and drinks invisabitlty potions out the wazoo and His limbs cant be crippled.

Basicly the Dragonborn is wayyyyyy op.... mabey superman or Mighty mouse might stand a chance.

Great, now how does he plan on landing a hit on somehow who perceives time in a matrix-style slow mo?
How is that armor supposed to protect him if his opponent is using weapons that pierce directly through armor? (Chainsaw, Thermic lance, Industrial Hand)
How is invisibility supposed to help him if his first move will end the effect and his opponent can tune in with Enhanced Sensors (ED-E) to see invisible targets?
How is he supposed to keep downing potions if he gets stunned for a good 30 seconds per punch (Paralyzing Palm)?


The Dovahkiin actually has the weakest mechanics of any protagonist a Bethesda game has produced. In the end, what matters is the tools you have to use: your offenses (NOT damage, but your ways to control the target (stun) or deal different forms of damage) and your defenses (ways to avoid damage or resist it). The Dragonborn has the 2nd least amount of tools available to him of any of the protagonists, with Lone Wanderer coming dead last. The Courier and Nerevarine have the most.

[Gavin Roberts]

Lol ur a funny guy... it's a 1 on 1 fight no ed-e... dovakin shows up invisable kills courrier while he's waiting for his opponent to show up...

[Gen Daley]

Lol ur a funny guy... it's a 1 on 1 fight no ed-e... dovakin shows up invisable kills courrier while he's waiting for his opponent to show up...

ED-E doesn't have to be present for the Enhanced Sensors; he can sit safely in the Lucky 38 and the Courier still benefits from the Enhanced Sensors. Dovahkiin also can't be invisible and detect invisible opponents at the same time. To detect, he has to use a shout or spell, which throws him out of invisibility. Even if he took another invisibility potion immediately after a shout, the shout is basically an alert that says "avoid this area until my shout effect wears off."