I've leveled my thief quite a bit and am currently level 66, so I have been putting a few perks into the One-Handed weapon tree. I've maxed out this tree for duel wield swords, and even on Master difficulty the game is now a breeze. Who needs to sneak when I can just walk up to any monster/boss and simply hold both triggers and kill them instantly with a power attack? Every class is "overpowered" if you know how to use it correctly. Yes, I can sneak up to a dragons face in FULL DAEDRIC(who needs light armour) with my enchanted assassin(sneak+OHW damage) daedric set + muffle spell, but why bother? I can go berserk warrior mode with my duel wields and wreck them without sneak.

Exactly. I can't understand how sneak is possibly 'overpowered' when you can just walk around mowing stuff down without even bothering to sneak.

EDIT: Oh lol watched the vid, using invis. Yes, clearly a problem with the 'thief class' (what does that even mean). In my book thieves don't use magic.

I'm only level 15 or something with my thief character, but I haven't put any perks into one-handed at all, so would you recommend I avoid that completely? Then I still get my OP stealth kills, but if I fail as a thief and get spotted, I'm in for a tougher battle.

Well I did say it was cheap...

I agree though. I haven't done it in Skyrim, but in OB I min-maxed an Illusion sneaker and it was bloody ridiculous. You'd never catch me whining about it though, it was exactly what I was aiming for!
After about 350 hours over several chars the only fun thing left to do was cast minute long 100% chameleon spells and kill everything without a crown whilst the rest just stood around looking confused.

Good times!

This really reads like an MMO "nerf rogues" thread.

It's not OP at all. Without checking the video, I'm gonna say you did all this in a dungeon. It is much harder to sneak up on people out in the open even at night. And you cannot sneak attack a dragon flying about.

He literally sprints up to a mammoth, takes it out in a single combo then slays a giant two seconds later. I don't usually jump on the "everything is OP!" bandwagon, but that genuinely makes the game look boring as hell to me, which is why I'm trying to figure out the best way to play a thief while avoiding that situation.

theres no such thing as overpowered in a single player game...

That's not something you can do out the gate, you need gear to do that kind of damage. And notice that he uses invis. Don't use magic, 'thieves' are not magic users FFS.

And with an equal amount of time invested in gear you can actually walk up to a mammoth with your dual wield 350 damage 1handers without stealth and blow it up.

Basically, you put time into an RPG, you get really powerful. Working as intended.

A thief doesn't sprint up to a mammoth then kills a giant 2 seconds later. That sounds more like a warrior. That sounds more of a gear issue rather than sneak.

Using magic means you're not really just a thief; you're a mage with questionable morals.

Well yeah, that's kinda my point. I'm glad I saw the video because now I won't make the same mistakes and can concentrate on keeping my thief as pure as possible.

It's not a mod, but a bug. You can pickpocket Astrid, steal the blade, but the game still makes a copy for her in order to give to you when you beat the MQ. Thus, you could possibly end up with two. I wish I had known that earlier.

I think the list of things you'd want to avoid would be:

-No more than 1 of the crafting professions (as a thief I'd assume just alchemy would be where it's at).
-No magic, no invis potions.

This should probably be enough to keep you from becoming unduly overpowered. I didn't use any crafting profs or invis for my first 30 lvls as a stealther and the game was HARD on master.

Great, now being a sneaky person is OP along with a Warrior...

2 power attack's from legit legendary *no crazy boosted enchanting or anything* while dual wielding a sword and dagger (daedric) thoroughly obliterates a dragon.. and I'm level 44 fighting ancients..

Well, I can't see all of their skills or selected perks or attributes, nor do I know what equipment the thief is wearing (except two very powerful daggers) nor do I see what spells are being used for buffing before hand (save Muffle and what looked like Rage).

However, this again looks like someone else who has exploited their way to doom.

^This.

Playing on Master, and I found out assassain/thief types were EXTEREMLY powerful when the enemy is seen, and doesn't automatically see you. But when it's a dragon, or a boss you have to talk to, it's ****ing impossible on master.

That is untill you get good stuff - playing master, and I'm level 40 with Legendary Daedric Daggers (x2) and Legendary Dragonscale/Nightingale armour (depends on what I'm doing) and even dragon fights are easy.

And you could wait about 1 week max, get the CK and turn the sneak damage bonus down ?

I made a thread(http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/1215815-little-disturbing-lack-of-realism-in-video/) in this forum a wile back about sneak attack being to powerful. When Todd sniped those two bandits with the bow and the second bandit just stood there until Todd shot him next. Was way to easy cuz of sneak being way to effective and powerful! I warned about this but i guess this is great news for those of use that dont like a good challenge! :shakehead:

No, sneak damage bonus should stay. It should be possible for you to 1-shot enemies. But, make it so that you need to spend a lot of perks in it, that you have to sacrifice survivability.

I really hope the devs don't nerf more skills because people complain about being powerful.

Warrior isn't OP. Powerlevelled smithing + Warrior is OP.

Stealth in this game is [censored] with perks which allow you to crouch during combat and somehow disappear.

Elder Scrolls has always allowed you to become vastly overpowered if you focus into things. Even in Morrowind and Oblivion with alchemy you could skyrocket your stats so high you were a walking god, Morrowind's enchantment system made it even MORE powerful, along with custom spells.

Here it's just more apparent because it's through perks not sky high attributes from spells and potions.

Here you get your smithing, enchanting, and alchemy up and you can make/improve a weapon about 3x its original strength, not counting adding damage enchantments (I was just referring to fortify smithing enchantments on other gear), for instance I have a Daedric bow (unenchanted) with over 400 base damage, using iron arrows.

With the sneak perks making you virtually undetectable even if standing right in front of most creatures in the light, and 3x bow damage on sneak attack, yes, you can kill off entire groups before they detect you, 1 arrow each. However.. I'm fine with the 1 arrow each thing because it feels more realistic. If a mob actually catches me, I die in a few hits in melee range because I've been stacking stamina rather than health, and use light armor.

If you don't want sneak to be so powerful on detection.. only take the first rank of the first perk, then take the other perks in the tree if you want to, but realize that yes, it makes you very powerful.

Warriors can run around one shotting dragons too.

I think only mages have an issue with their damage not scaling.

Elderscrolls V. 3 Skills, warrior, mage and thief.

The thief class is broken? Interesting. I I didn't realize there was a thief class in this game. Or any classes, for that matter. :blink:

Do you mean that you feel the particular combination of skills you decided to max out are overpowered? If that bothers you, that you are able to combine certain skills to enable you to defeat things in the game, then perhaps you should try different skills. Or perhaps a different game that doesn't reward time invested by making things easier.