I think I figured out the 3 skills removed. : V

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 4:59 am

Well, Bethesda already said they are getting rid of Mysticism. It's a redundant skill they say.

Well I was just playing oblivion, and I figured out the other two they've yet to announce (Of what I've heard of)

1. Mercantile and Speechcraft.
2.Acrobatics and Athletics.

I think they will combine the two skills, and make just two new skills, eliminating the need of 2 other skills.

Anyone else got ideas if not?

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 1:36 am

This has been the general assumption. So, yes. You're probably right.

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 7:19 am

they're readding enchant... one more skill to go...

The two armor skills are probably combined...

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 9:05 am

Do you think Thievery could be a new skill?

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 2:14 am

but they added enchanting and some other skill (most people think its smithing) sooo 5 skills have been removed

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 7:04 am

they're readding enchant... one more skill to go...

Forgot about that. I'd say they just tossed Athletics/Acrobatics all together, or Merged Sneak with Security,

Edit* dude, Smithing is Armorer. Just with added stuff. Namely, being able to smith your own gear.

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 2:14 am

Yes thats probably right.I am more worried about armor skills,hope they didnt removed it.

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 8:02 am

Well, Bethesda already said they are getting rid of Mysticism. It's a redundant skill they say.

Well I was just playing oblivion, and I figured out the other two they've yet to announce (Of what I've heard of)

1. Mercantile and Speechcraft.
2.Acrobatics and Athletics.

I think they will combine the two skills, and make just two new skills, eliminating the need of 2 other skills.

Anyone else got ideas if not?

I think you are right with the combining of Mercantile/Speachcraft combination and likely with the other one

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 3:08 am

Forgot about that. I'd say they just tossed Athletics/Acrobatics all together,

I'm actually pretty sure I heard about that from some post on these forums... but it would seam kinda stupid making khajit and bosmer useless... so I'll still prefer one combined armor skill...
but who knows? They might throw speach/merch all together, instead of combining the armor skills...

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 7:50 am

That would be terrible if they removed Armorer. Or do you mean Light and Heavy armor? I don't think they'd delete that. This one is supposed to mold your character as you play. Light and heavy armor would come into play.

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 12:48 am

That would be terrible if they removed Armorer. Or do you mean Light and Heavy armor? I don't think they'd delete that. This one is supposed to mold your character as you play. Light and heavy armor would come into play.

Yeah i mean armor types (light/heavy).
Armorer is Blacksmithing now i guess.

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 2:18 am

My thoughts:

First three confirmed. Shield is confirmed we just don't know it's name now (I'm pretty sure)
Warrior

Smithing
One handed
Two handed
Shield (because it's not just for blocking now)
Heavy Armor
Hand to hand

All confirmed
Mage

Enchanting
Conjuration
Illusion
Alteration
Restoration
Destruction

First two confirmed
Thief

Alchemy
Archery
Speechcraft (Mercanitle now merged)
Light Armor
Sneak
Security

You'll notice I left out Athletics. If they merged Sneak and Security I'd say move hand to hand down to Thief and put Athletics in Warrior.

Edit* @Gorm actually removing Athletics would make Khajiit and Bosmer far more useful. AS they would have the highest running speed based on race if they did that.

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 7:41 am

Yeah i mean armor types (light/heavy).
Armorer is Blacksmithing now i guess.

I don't think they'd do that. Unless they are trying to make this Fable 2. Might as well run around in some overalls and a straw hat then.

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 3:56 am

They better not have merged sneak and security...

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 3:00 am

My thoughts:

Warrior

Smithing
One handed
Two handed
Shield (because it's not just for blocking now)
Heavy Armor
Hand to hand

All confirmed
Mage

Enchanting
Conjuration
Illusion
Alteration
Restoration
Destruction

First two confirmed
Thief

Alchemy
Archery
Speechcraft (Mercanitle now merged)
Light Armor
Sneak
Security

You'll notice I left out Athletics. If they merged Sneak and Security I'd say move hand to hand down to Thief and put Athletics in Combat.

Edit* @Gorm actually removing Athletics would make Khajiit and Bosmer far more useful. AS they would have the highest running speed based on race if they did that.

I see where you're coming from. I could see that, But I like to play as a battle mage some times. I can't wait to use a shield though. Do you think you can use them as weapons? Zing a giant over the head with the side of your steel shield. Lolololol. So much win.

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 8:33 am

My thoughts:

First three confirmed. Shield is confirmed we just don't know it's name now (I'm pretty sure)
Warrior

Smithing
One handed
Two handed
Shield (because it's not just for blocking now)
Heavy Armor
Hand to hand

All confirmed
Mage

Enchanting
Conjuration
Illusion
Alteration
Restoration
Destruction

First two confirmed
Thief

Alchemy
Archery
Speechcraft (Mercanitle now merged)
Light Armor
Sneak
Security

You'll notice I left out Athletics. If they merged Sneak and Security I'd say move hand to hand down to Thief and put Athletics in Warrior.

Edit* @Gorm actually removing Athletics would make Khajiit and Bosmer far more useful. AS they would have the highest running speed based on race if they did that.

Well the thing is: I'm pretty sure they said somewhere that athletism and acrobatism had been merged... could be wrong though...

» Fri Feb 18, 2011 11:13 pm

you are wrong though 4 skills are actually being removed because enchanting is being added

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 12:00 pm

I see where you're coming from. I could see that, But I like to play as a battle mage some times. I can't wait to use a shield though. Do you think you can use them as weapons? Zing a giant over the head with the side of your steel shield. Lolololol. So much win.

It's already confirmed that you can shield bash at anytime. So, yes.

Well the thing is: I'm pretty sure they said somewhere that athletism and acrobatism had been merged... could be wrong though...

Well, like I said. Merge Sneak with Security, put Athletics (merged with acrobatics) in the Warrior and move Hand to Hand down to the Thief tree.

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 8:51 am

My thoughts:

First three confirmed. Shield is confirmed we just don't know it's name now (I'm pretty sure)
Warrior

Smithing
One handed
Two handed
Shield (because it's not just for blocking now)
Heavy Armor
Hand to hand

All confirmed
Mage

Enchanting
Conjuration
Illusion
Alteration
Restoration
Destruction

First two confirmed
Thief

Alchemy
Archery
Speechcraft (Mercanitle now merged)
Light Armor
Sneak
Security

You'll notice I left out Athletics. If they merged Sneak and Security I'd say move hand to hand down to Thief and put Athletics in Warrior.

Edit* @Gorm actually removing Athletics would make Khajiit and Bosmer far more useful. AS they would have the highest running speed based on race if they did that.

I think this is a good list. However, as another has noted, your list leaves out Acrobatics (+ Athletics?). That means Armor has likely been combined with perk trees for heavy/light and is probably a combat skill. This makes room for Acrobatics as a stealth skill.

Just had a thought ... it might make good sense to combine unarmed attack and unarmored defense into the same skill, with perk trees for both attack and defense, which would replace your Hand to Hand.

I find this quite believable, personally.

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 10:06 am

Personally, I would love to see Unarmored come back. - it would fit with the barbarian / Conan feel of the game.
Storm

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 11:04 am

This is my best guess as to what the skills are. I'm thinking the 3 skills that were removed. Mysticism is gone and I believe Acrobatics is gone. I think those two are definites. The 3rd one is probably Hand to Hand which is the worst Combat skill and it can be merged with Two Handed or One Handed with no problems.

One Handed
Two Handed
Shield/Block
Armor
Smithing
Athletics

Alteration
Conjuration
Destruction
Enchanting
Illusion
Restoration

Alchemy
Archery/Marksman
Barter/Merchantile
Sneak
Security
Speechcraft

I don't know if Security will stay but if it's gone them I'm not sure what the last skill will be.

» Fri Feb 18, 2011 10:42 pm

You forgot Illusion, it's why you're missing a magic slot.

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 1:41 am

You forgot Illusion, it's why you're missing a magic slot.

:facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: How could I forget Illusion

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 6:58 am

This is my best guess as to what the skills are. I'm thinking the 3 skills that were removed. Mysticism is gone and I believe Acrobatics is gone. I think those two are definites. The 3rd one is probably Hand to Hand which is the worst Combat skill and it can be merged with Two Handed or One Handed with no problems.

Why do you think Acrobatics is gone? It actually caused the PC to do something observable -- jump higher/farther; Athletics, on the other hand, didn't do much except help your character develop a better speed attribute. You may very well be correct that it will become the providence of combat rather than stealth, but I would wager it to be more of an Acrobatics-y skill than an Athletics-y skill.

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 9:53 am

My guess:

One Handed
Two Handed
Block
Heavy Armour
Smithing
Athletics/acrobatics

Alteration
Conjuration
Destruction
Enchanting
Illusion
Restoration

Alchemy
Marksman
Barter/speechcraft
Sneak/security
Light Armour
Hand to hand