Well, People almost always forget the fact that everything they are saying is an opinion, a lot of the time they wave around their opinions like they are the law of the world.

Such as "Oblivion had a major lack of in depth story"
That, it a bold statement, and an opinion. People always speak as such. A better way to say is "Oblivion never felt as in-depth to me story-wise"
See, there. Now you are saying you you thing, not flaming oblivion players.

Right now i may seem like im bashing on the Morrowind players
But Oblivion players are the same, but a lot of the time Oblivion players have played morrowind. So they just defend.
It usually ends up like this

"The storyline for Oblivion was terrible"
Oblivion guys say "Dude you are crazy it was great"
Morrowind Guy " LONG --- POST ABOUT WHY THEY THINK IT WAS TERRIBLE " and it usually is insulting and very opinionated, but the "opinion" part is never stated.
Then the Oblivion people just come back with a long post in defence of the flaming.
And that goes on back and forth until a big scary bear comes it and break its up.


And it sometimes doesnt even start like that, sometimes someone just says something way too bold. Like
"Morrowind was the best game every made."
Then the Oblivion guys come over and they are like, no Oblivion was better, the graphics were like so cool, and the combat system was better

Both of those ARE OPINIONS and should be treated as such


Why does no one ever use their words in opinion form?
I know why, because most people who even bother getting involved in such arguements are usually fanatics.
And dont take it the wrong way but a lot of the time its the Morrowind players who see a perfect oppurtinity to rant about how big of a let down Oblivion was to them

And then a big scary bear comes in and closes the thread


It happens, all threads involving people comparing the 2 games. Even if not the purpose of the thread end in a locking by a big scary bear.

Does anyone have Collabarations

And, no. Dont even start talking about what you like about your favorite game. Because that will just summon a big scary bear to come and lock the thread.

So,



Lets try to have a CIVIL and OPINIONATED discussion.

Morrowind players, I see where you are coming from with the story and all that and yes it IS an rpg game, but to me and many other the fighting system seems so tedious, and a lot of people think the Oblivion Crisis storyline of Oblivion was an interesting plot, even though it may have been a bit bold and less mysterious than the secretive Sixth House based Main Quest

Oblivion players, try to see where these guys are coming from. I mean, a lot of them were playing these games before you even heard of them, and some of them though Oblivion was changed too much, and yes while the Oblivion Crisis may have been a bit more World Changing, it is very explained. Leaves nothing to be asked, if you like that ok sure. But dont hate on the Morrowind players for just letting off their constant stream of steam (no rhyme intended)


Now how about a DISCUSSION. not an ARGUEMENT
About your likenesses and dislikeness and comparison of the 2 games

AND EVERYONE ITS YOUR OPINION, AND THEIRS IS THEIR OPINION! YOU CANT CHANGE IT! JUST DISCUSS! NOT HATE!

Anyone who is flaming or being hurtful will probably lead to a visit from big scary bear and that big scary bear will probably be dissapointed when even a thread with an attempt at the most civil discussion ALWAYS GOES BAD.

So lets begin


I like Oblivion better just because the landscape seems more alive to me. I mean, Morrowind seemed a bit grey alot to me.. And there were a lot of sandstorms..
That, and everytime I started in Morrowind I always went into a certain house to try to kill someone, and I almost never hit before I fell to the ground of fatigue..

I dont like that kind of... Inability, I mean in real life, If i have even a dagger I could easily overcome her without her having a weapon..

And there are aspects of Morrowind that were, not opinionated, definitely improved upon. I mean, it was very unrealistic how the npcs could never leave their cell, and you could get away from almost anything by entering a house...

Also, it seems a lot of Morrowind players think Morrowind was more of a world than Oblivion

How so? I think Oblivion is better in that aspect due to people having schedules, being places where they are suppose to, and merchants arent open day in day out standing in the same place indefinetly..

So what is Morrowind superseding Oblivion in the "World" Aspect



PS: I know I have used the word everyone a lot in this thread, to the few who dont flame in these kinds of threads please dont feel offended.

I think most OB vs. MW threads go bad because we've had 20385895 of them and people's opinions don't change. Do we really need another?

Agreed

But normally here, people dont "Discuss"
They rant against the other biased fanatics of the rival game. You dont have to change your opinion, you just have to not be so stubborn.

Morrowind is the best game ever! ^{[citation needed]}

Really, another one of these? What is this, the 4th thread today about Oblivion vs Morrowind? :rolleyes:

There's no real denying it: Morrowind's storyline > Oblivion's, Oblivion's gameplay > Morrowind. Finish.

I liked Morrowind's soundtrack far more than Oblivion's. It was epic and wonderful, and no matter how often I heard it, I never got sick of it... not after 1000 hours.

You are distinguishing Morrowind and Oblivion players, as if we only play 1 or the other, while almost all of us play both.

That's why ALL discussions of ANY topic go bad.

The Big Scary Bear is pretty scary - that look of disapproval and disappointment is only rivaled by my Mum. :mellow:

Umm. No, that is once again an opinion. I know people who prefer Morrowind gameplay

And myself, I prefer the oblivion storyline. Its comments like that that ruin threads. People start arguing because on person thinks their opinion is absolute turth. And there is plenty of "Denying" your opinion

I prefer Oblivions gameplay, and its storyline.

Everyone is different. Not everyone thinks the Morrowind storyline is super awesome in depth!
Cause I dont think it is, i didnt get much out of morrowind, what I did get is an introduction to Oblivion.



Really now, I am not speaking of the "Players," I am speaking of the people on the forum that defend and attack the other.

I prefer Morrowinds gameplay and storyline over Oblivion.
What category do I fit under?
These threads have absolutely no purpose at all. Every. Single. One. Is the exact same, ending in a lock.
Know why? Because it's all opinion based.
Person A likes Oblivion more.
Person B likes Morrowind more.
K? We don't need to discuss it.

I know it's in poor taste to just post an emoticon, but:
:facepalm:

I would actually like to hear peoples opinion without them being intertwined with an "I hate the other game" rant. But for some reason people are doing their very best to make sure it never happens.

No really, so many people have said to me they think Morrowind is more of a world than Oblivion

How? People are always in the same place never moving, and when they do move they are just another copy of the same NPC
In Oblivion people move sleep eat and speak to eachother...

So, where is this world feeling coming from?

A magic place, deep inside my deranged head.

But, really, instead of making new threads to ask, perform a search. It's been ranted about time and time again.

I think the reason we see so many of these threads is specifically because they devolve into poo-slinging and get locked, meaning that any real discussion gets immediately cut off. But yeah, I agree with the OP. That's why I'm trying (and failing ) to stay out of these kinds of threads-- they're not exactly a grade-A example of the tight-knit community that otherwise exists on these forums. However, I am a bit tired of getting on GD to check the speculation thread and being tempted to click on the dozen flamebait topics that surround it. So I s'pose I agree with the others in this thread as well. Let's try to keep discussions civil on the forums and eventually these threads will die away. And no, posting an opinionated rant about how one game is [censored] and then adding a disclaimer at the bottom that says "But I really do like both games" doesn't count as civil.

I wanted to flame you for your thoughts until I saw a big scary bear, then for some reason I realized you had an opinion.


This is half of it, maybe a quarter. And the other three quarters is someone thats tired or angry or fanatical.

The OP was not on a ninja campaign to deny that people could only play OB or MW.
He was saying that OB or MW fanatics jump to a few immediate defenses:
1) Thats your opinion, but mine is right, and you are just blinded by emotions that I have no clue to.
2) You just don't want to admit that I am right.
3) You cant possibly understand me because I literally crap diamonds.
4) You must have misunderstood your thoughts (possible part of 1)
5) You don't actually exist

And add in all the misconstrued premises and *boom* flame wars.

You wanna know why? Cuz I sleep with Morrowind. I take it very personally, when some internet dweeb insults my bedfellow. It's an attack on my pride!

I think what it all comes down to is this:

We all want TES V to be closer to our favorite game in the TES series than to our least favorite game. Sometimes, we feel that if we argue enough in favor of our favorite game, the developers will somehow take note and make TES V to our liking.

The truth is, no two ES games are alike and some fans of all TES games end up disappointed when the next game comes out. Many Daggerfall fans disliked Morrowind, and many Daggerfall and Morrowind fans disliked Oblivion. The next TES game is the game that will disappoint Daggerfall, Morrowind, and Oblivion fans. The Daggerfall->Morrowind->Oblivion trend so far is that with each game we get:

-Better graphics
-Gameplay changes based on suggestions from fans and casual gamers
-"Streamlined" skills (usually so casual gamers can get more out of one play-through)
-Casual-gamer friendly features that may not appeal to hardcoe gamers (quest compass, instant fast travel, quest pop-ups, level scaling etc), or in the case of Morrowind, the "radar" compass. These features are called "optional" when most quests assume you will use them and can be nearly impossible/ very tedious without them.

I tried to make this post as unslanted as I could... but I'm afraid that some slant might have slipped through. It's just hard to be unbiased about a topic we're all so passionate about, eh? Sorry :/

The problem is not the people, the problem is the game. Oblivion.

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f386/vtastek/morrowind/morrowindmisc/special/uncannyvalleyOblivion.png

I haven't played half of those games my positions could be wrong, you can reposition them. I only put Stalker and Fallout 3 to intersections because they were not true open worlds and highly linear games. The RPG scale goes - and +, that means lot's of things. But the idea is simple. Oblivion fell into uncanny valley, that's why talking about it makes everyone uncomfortable.

I came from 3DRealms forums, they have gigantic speculation/ideas/suggestion threads. I think we should appreciate the fact that we have games to compare.

I think the OP got it wrong.

Arena vs. Daggerfall vs. Morrowind vs. Oblivion vs. Baldurs Gate vs. Planescape: Tornment vs. Gothic vs. Dragon Age vs ... discussions don't go bad because people don't realise others just post their opinions. They got bad because people post their opinions, often to the exclusion of everything else, instead of sticking to rational discourse about each game's design elements and how they worked or failed to work in the context of the common genre and/or setting and/or the developers' stated goals of those games.

I didn't feel like there was too much presence of the uncanny valley in Oblivion. The characters never looked too awkward to me, because the lip synching and facial/body animations weren't close enough to reality to really be an issue (same with Fallout 3). It's sort of like how even with photorealistic textures (such as Illuminiel's), faces in Morrowind aren't uncanny valley-ish because the mouth movements and the slow blinking are so unrealistic. Oblivion's characters are pretty cartoony, actually, so I wasn't bothered terribly by the faces. Now, what does bother me is Bethesda's complete lack of understanding of human anatomy, but that was an issue in Morrowind and Oblivion.

To be fair, some types of joints are hard or nearly impossible to recreate given the used technology. This includes minor stuff like planar joints (where two bones slide against each other), but unfortunately also the rather complex four-bones compound joint of the knee as well as the three-bones shoulder joint. Add to that some unusual, but important bones like the scapula and the fact that Oblivion's system doesn't support parallel running bones (radius + ulna or tibia + fibula, for example) and even trying to get a somewhat realistic anatomy out of the engine is bound to cause some major headache.

I more mean how they have massive chests, teeny tiny waists (even the men), and hands that evoke pork-based foodstuffs (sausages in Morrowind, hams in Oblivion) It's possible to make a decent looking body on their skeletons, BB and Robert's bodies are proof of that. It's the actual modelling part where they seem to run into trouble.