I was thinking of checking out FONV. I originally took a pass on it because I was pretty disappointed with FO3. My two biggest gripes were the crappy storyline and the nerfing of SPECIAL. Regarding the former, no Fallout game should ever have a weaker storyline than FOT. Regarding the latter, I was pretty uber halfway through FO3. I'm talking about easy one hit kills in VATS with 95% accuracy headshots at absurd ranges on most targets. Furthermore, it was ridiculously easy to get into good positions to snipe off targets undetected. Nevermind not needing stimpacks, I was barely even seen and I'm not the most talented gamer. I just like playing stealthy, and I like it to be somewhat of a challenge.

For the record, I never picked up any of the DLC like Blue Steel or whatever it was called, so I don't know if that would have made a difference. Long story short, I think DLC is a scam to pass off a medicore game on the market, and then milk a few extra bucks out of the consumer to make the game cool. In the words of Abraham Lincoln, f#ck that. In my day, games were cool right out of the box. Anyway, I did get some user-created mods (I'm playing on a PC) to help address some of the inadequacies of FO3, and a lot of those were pretty cool.

Regarding FONV, I thought I'd give it a chance because I heard Obsidian worked on it and a lot of those guys were from Interplay and BIS. They have yet to make something I don't like. I figure there's bound to be improvements with that crew on the job. I've already heard that there's a much better storyline with a more satisfying ending. More importantly, I heard they beefed up SPECIAL so that now it actually matters. On the other hand, I heard that this game is a fairly more linear, and with no play after the ending. I also heard that there's a lot less to explore and not as much is done with the space.

Still, I'm not discouraged. With FO3, the mod community was pretty active and my main question is if it is as active for FONV. The way I figure it, it's probably much easier for modders to design little side quests and whatnot to flesh out the space in FONV than it was for them to try to tweak all the lameness of SPECIAL in FO3. So, that is basically my question. I won't get any of the DLC, but can anyone tell me what the modding community is like on this game? Are there a lot of mods out there that can address what I want to have in this game? Thanks.

From what I hear, the Mod community is more active than it was in FO3, according to most of my friends, I could be wrong though as I don't play it on PC yet. Doesn't stop me from looking though, so what I've seen, the Modding Community for FNV is very active.

http://www.newvegasnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=41361
http://www.newvegasnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=41184
http://www.newvegasnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=40040
http://www.newvegasnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=38719
http://www.newvegasnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=37576
http://www.newvegasnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=37310

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The storyline is much better in NV, the mods above are just examples of awsomness on that site. The mods on this game give you 100's of hours of new difficult n fun content and allow you too change the game too your liking.

New vegas bounties 1n2 for example have voice acting as good as the actul game and has an awsome storyline.
And A world of pain ads [censored]ztorms of new stuff, some is awsomely difficult. (95 new locations too be exect).

Mods are a work of passion, they take time. Figure in the time to make long term fans with FO3 and new people with FONV, it's logically going to be a bigger crowd.

Oh I agree and understand. Which is why I can't wait to get a computer thats able to play FNV.

I just watched http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yrThTJ8TXB4&feature=related on youtube where Chris Avellone makes a comparison between FONV and PS:T (which I consider to be one of the best written video games ever). He basically said that he tried to bring the same spirit into this game. That's just cool. :tops:

New Vegas is what the doctor ordered if you want a true follow up to Fallout 2.

Fallout 3 is the true follow up to Fallout 2. Missed that notice eh? :spotted owl:

LOL, what an idiotic topic, Fallout New Vegas is so much better than F3 in every way you can think off it's not even funny...I'm gonna post a thorough comparison review after I finish the game..

Your entitled to your own opinion. You think New Vegas beats Fallout 3 in every way. I think New Vegas and F3 have many positives and negatives to each other, enough positives to balance the others negatives out. I enjoy them both :shrug:

Without anolyzing what makes Fallout: New Vegas better and what worse than Fallout 3 and telling my opinion (which I've repeated more than enough, and this topic doesn't really need a potential flame war anyway), I can say that there are a lot of good mods for Fallout: New Vegas. You could say that there are maybe (?) less overhaul/big gameplay changing mods compared to Fallout 3's community, but there's already a good wealth of mods that tackle all kinds of aspects and there are very interesting things cooking up in the ovens of some modders.

I have to agree with WUE, with alot of these 'Pre-War' textures, and Sierra Madre stuff, people are cooking up some very interesting and creative mods. It always tickles me when I see the amazing stuff modders make that sometimes, in my opinion, outshines Devs.

Along this vein, I remember that there was this utility for FO3 that allowed you to tweak all the item/character stats and whatnot. IIRC, it was basically a carry over from one of Beth's fantasy RPGs (Oblivion, maybe?). Does something like this exist for FONV?

Uhm, I'm not really sure what you mean, but I'm assuming you're talking about the GECK (the mod editor)? Can't really think of anything else that fits the description.
If you're think about that, then yeah, the utility exists for FONV too. Otherwise, uhm, not too sure, can you be a little more specific?

Wow i wish you could have those mods on Xbox that would be sweet!!

Completely agree no game "annihilates" the other they both have strengths and weaknesses FO3(More to see a lot of fun side quests and characters and outstanding exploration probably the best of any game and the world feels as if it's been lived in ) whereas FONV (Again lot's of fun characters a better MQ alot of good little improvements from mods to traits) but they are both outstanding games it saddens me that people hate any of them :cryvaultboy: .

The only reason to get this game is if you can mod it, because the vanilla version is still a horrible, glitchy, mess.

Well, from what I've heard, there are plenty of people cranking out mods. I don't want this to be a FO3 vs. FONV thread, nor a "let's bash the devs because the game was glitchy out of the gate" thread. Sure, it's glitchy, but if there are mods out there to take care of it, who cares? At least it's fixable.

And maybe I'm being optimistic or naive, but if the main problems are lack of exploration and various glitches, and people are cranking out mods to specifically address these issues, why are so many people pissed off?

Oh wait, are they all the console gamers that can't dl mods? Yeah, that must svck.

Hey I have an idea, stop fishing for self-validation and look at reviews or try them yourself.

Hey I have an idea, how about you stop being rude whenever the chance arrives? This guy is asking for help, not criticism, go somewhere else if you want to be like that.


NV is a very good game, like others have said, and i can assure you that the game is NOT linear, it is very open, diverse, and branching.

that crew on the job. I've already heard that there's a much better storyline with a more satisfying ending. More importantly, I heard they beefed up SPECIAL so that now it actually matters. On the other hand, I heard that this game is a fairly more linear, and with no play after the ending. I also heard that there's a lot less to explore and not as much is done with the space.

@the OP:

I would try running several characters at least partway through with no mods and using various equipment and skill layouts, because the vanilla game is pretty good in its own right.

You don't have to, of course, but doing so would give you an idea of what you actually want to change, assuming you don't already have anything in mind.

Regarding your criticisms of F3, F:NV has much better storylines and while the perks do make your character pretty tough by the end, it difficulty level works differently than it does in F3. There the cell difficulty scaled up with your character but in F:NV enemies are set at a certain level, which makes some of them very hard to beat right the way through the game. They can be beaten but you have to think about. Also there's hardcoe mode.

There are some great mods, http://www.newvegasnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=38719, my favourite, adds miles of underground locations, merchants, weapons and quests, it's so big it even has it's own mods. There's a mod that allows you play on after the end of the game which means you can leave the DLCs until afterwards. Browse them http://www.newvegasnexus.com/downloads/categories.php.

For me the big thing that F3 had that NV doesn't was a huge city and underground system to explore but I still prefer the NV environment, it's more varied and hey, it's sunny!

OP if you though you took very little damage sniping in fo3, you won t even get hurt in nv. If fo3 was no challenge too easy don t get nv.

Don t get another fo as a matter of fact. You sound too highly skilled for fo to me. Brink on line sounds more up you alley or cod bo on line. Try sneaking around sniping in those rail shooters lol.

If you don t get dlcs then you are missing the hardest things in nv and fo3. I d hate to see you waste another 50 bucks total for a combined full game worth of content in all the dlcs.

People say the main story in nv is better. I fail to see it. The main story in fo3 was much more heart felt IMO.

So I say you should stick with fo and fo2, or maybe find another series of games to play. NV is enough like fo3 that is sounds like you better not waste your time with it.

I think the main problem with it (at least in my opinion) is that they didn't do as much with it as they could have. It definitely had a good premise and good elements, but they didn't flesh it out as well as they could have considering what they had with which to work.



Too late. I picked it up yesterday. Or, actually, I found out my cousin had it and I'm borrowing it. I figure, if I like it, then I'll give his back and buy my own copy when the GOTY version comes out.

And no, I'm not highly skilled at all. Like, seriously. That's just how it goes when you play a sneaky sniper. I think I have less of a gripe that I hardly got hit, and more of a gripe about how easy it was to pull it off. I remember there was this one bandit-ridden army base that looked like it was going to be difficult when I was scouting it out, but I ghosted through that place without being detected and without a single survivor. It was just too easy to get into position and I don't think anyone heard my shots. I've played quite a few sneakers (e.g. Thief: The Dark Project, Thief: The Metal Age, Splinter Cell), and I really had to finesse my way around a lot of parts. Usually, in games that aren't dedicated sneakers, the stealth feature is not well developed and pretty useless. However, in FO3, it didn't take much finesse to pretty much be invisible.



Definitely. Well, I did get AWOP, but just to add some extra locations. I don't think I could ever have enough locations.