So...

there are some places you just can't have players stumbling into at any time they like. Sometimes immersion has to take a little dive for the sake of the games playability

BASH THE DOOR OPEN!

Edit: EVEN IF THEY DON'T NEED A KEY!!!

We SHOULD be able to bash doors down, but unless they change the way they design quests, they can't really give you potential access to quest specific dungeons.

This would render lockpicking useless. Therefore, not gonna happen.

I don't think it would render it "useless". If you needed a specific strength or perk, or perhaps it had a high chance of damaging/breaking your weapon it could serve as a viable alternative without rendering lockpicking useless.

It actually gives a pure Warrior character an ability both of the other archetypes already have...Opening locked things.

Make it a perk in the Security (if it's a skill) tree? Could be a possible fix. Also, there's a different percentage of unlock/fail.

I agree.

This might work.

Only specific. Ones that would screw up the game if the player got behind it and did some must be Key Only. Imagine if In Oblivion, while stubbling around in the mountaints, you discover a cave. You pick it's lock and enter. Then, you end up killing that high elf pretending to be Mannimarco. Mages Guild questline over before you even joined.

I completely agree with you. I just wonder if there isn't another way of doing it besides putting these "locked" areas behind a door we should be able to get through.

It's a magic world with dragons... surely someone can craft an unpickable lock?

Not really...If you are a thief, breaking the door open is gonna make a LOUD noise. And when I say bash, I ment kick the door down, breaking the hinges, making quite a bit o sound whenthe door falls as well.

If you are a warrior, you're sopposed to be ready to fight when the door goes down.

That's my point though...a magic lock that requires a magic key would be fine. But just a "this lock requires a key" is kind of...well, duh? What lock doesn't require a key? And why is this one different? A little more "masking" of the blatant "we just dont want you here yet" and make it a little more immersive.

A dragon might. :thumbsup:

ohhh, well I like where that idea is going. Instead of having these areas behind doors which look exactly like the ones that we can normally open.

For example a cave that is quest specific later on could be blocked by a boulder which is rolled to the side the next time you go there. Little changes like that could be nice. I doubt we will get anything like that, but it is a nice notion.

Exactly! :thumbsup:

Agreed with.

There ARE locks not on doors, you know...like...I don't know, on all those treasure chests and whatnot you probably wouldn't want to bash open for fear of destroying what may be inside?

I think that you should be able to break into doors depending on whatever skill determines strength of physical attack or strength of destruction spell, and also depending on the material and make of the door. This would come at the cost of the stamina or magicka it takes to break the door(which might take more than one door depending on your character's abilities). Some doors though, would be impossible to bust down as they are made of pure thick stone, or the door is enchanted...or both. Also, I think having doors be unpickable would be easy if you make locks that are far too intricate for anyone to do...or the locks are enchanted and only the correct key can open them. Perhaps a text saying "Cannot pick this lock, it is enchanted." or "You are too weak to break down this door." I don't know though.

This would also create a mechanic for doors with variable levels of entry, like weak doors with great locks or tough doors with easy locks, etc. I think it would bring a kind of cool aspect to the game, anyone agree?

You should be able to go anywhere you want if you have the means to do it. It's lazy design to not consider replayablity when you have to figure out where to go on a certain quest (like finding the Mythic Dawn cave in Oblivion). It just makes for more scripted linearity.

Be who you want, go almost anywhere you want, is sandbox enough for me. Silorn being magically locked until the Necromancers came out to fight you did not make me scream in fury because my precious options had been limited.

Also, I wonder if Bethesda is taking body types in to consideration. For example: if you choose a large body type, you'll have a greater chance (initially) to bash open chests.

I think it makes sense certain doors couldn't be picked, like if they were magically enchanted so they could only be opened by a certain key. Perhaps they could make it part of the enchanting skill to enchant your own copy of the key, or maybe via alteration have a spell that breaks the enchantment.

LoL

No fury here. I personally don't mind things being blocked off, I believe that it is necessary to build a good game. What I don't agree with is blocking these things off with something so immersion breaking as a wooden door without a hint of a spell/incantation to make it appear "unpickable". Just "this door needs a key". Not even really a big deal, just something that came to mind as I was playing oblivion earlier.

Maybe bashing locked chests and cupboards would have a chance of destroying items in it?

And bashing doors should alert guards.



And light body types would have greater sneak, sounds good.

But then who would play as an obese orc?