There is a lot of complaining on these forums about how the game is boring, too easy, or dull. While these might be true to some, certainly not me, I would invite you to compare this game to other games out on the market now or in the past.

In Skyrim we are a handed a large, detailed world which included is:

- Thousands of individually moving objects.
- Large numbers of books to read for lore
- Numerous areas that are hand-crafted and unique to fit a certain theme, from lush copse to unholy, dark dungeons full of necromancers and cannibals.
- NPCs that feel like they do not have strings and are actually living a day to day life.
- Dragons ... enough said on this.


Before you complain about how Bethesda failed you, maybe you should think, did you fail yourself? Maybe you told yourself you loved this type of game when you really do not. Maybe there was too much hype around the game and you expected way more than they were going to provide. This is Elder Scrolls and they have brought to Skyrim what they had in the past...

Minus Cliffracers

Skyrim is a great game, but some terrible balance issues, surprising lack of content in some regards, and things that have pointlessly been excluded from the title that worked great in previous ones make me feel disspointed there wasn't more improvement. It is great, but I'm just surprised that even with 40 extra team members, they didn't really make that much of a step forward in many aspects, and in others took steps back.

The next installment will be a press X to win interactive movie from the likes of Heavy Rain.

They

took

my

spreadsheeeeeeeeeeeets!

Completely agree. I can't understand the hate. I myself have a few small issues, but even as hyped as I was, the game completely blew me away. I understand those that love the game are probably just playing the heck out of it right now, while those who don't are probably all on here complaining.

All issues aside (both small and large), I think everyone should at least take the time to appreciate the amount of obvious effort and love that went into this game. You might disagree with some of the design decision (or marketing decisions), and I have no problem with that. However, I have the utmost respect for everyone who worked on this game (artists, sound people, programmers, etc) and want to thank them for creating one of the best game worlds I have ever seen! I might make a few complaints here and there, but I ALWAYS preface them by saying how amazing this game is. Great job Bethesda! Keep making games like this, and I will be happy.

Oooh... just like in Battlefield 3 campaign? Awesome. :rolleyes:

LOLZ its the worst game ever, it has ONLY 18 SKILLZ! i mean WTF BETHEDSA WHY NO MORROWIND 2.0?? [censored] game is [censored]

Perhaps it should use QTE`s ala The Witcher 2! :tongue:

I'm on to you MrDingleBerry, your posts seem to have a theme =P

In my opinion this is a much better iteration of TES than Oblivion was and this game lets me roleplay. Again this is my opinion but I find this game to be incredibly engrossing and can barely tear myself away from it, even then I am thinking about it.

It may not be to everyone's taste but I don't see why people are saying it is outright bad on this forum. It is a brilliant game and few games on the market can offer you such freedom and scope.

No. IT IS simplified to some extent.

If we really like it, then good for us. If some gets disappointed, then don't blame/judge them.

Most of the overt pointless whining comes from PC players who pirated the game and console commanded the fun out of it within 2 hours before going back to their CoD lolbaby game.

"Simplified" doesn't translate to "dumbed down". Much as some people on this forum wish that it did.

And we are absolutely within our rights to say that it's ridiculous to spend all your time finding things to criticize in an otherwise awesome game.

Is Skyrim perfect? No. I can think of a few minor things I'd like to see patched/modded. The key word there being minor. It's just childish/trollish to say that the game svcks because they removed spreadsheets.

balance issues? this term cropped up with the influx of idiots who play wow. There is no balance for a single player game, you either can handle the game or you svck at it... your the kind of person that benchmarked [censored] against crysis didnt you

Not entierly true i think, with over 740 hours gameplay in Morrowind and Oblivion (both on PC) and now Skyrim (bought pre-ordered) i feel Skyrim a bit dull compared to the 2 others. For some reason Skyrim dosent have that little spark that the 2 others had. I cant put my finger on it. And i have thought a lot about it. Maybe its the colors, that is now gray and dull and the fact i live in a country that do have some common nature to Skyrim.

There's a very thin line between 'simplified', 'streamlined' and 'dumbed down'. Generally, when you streamline something that's overly complex or confusing it can be seen as a good thing. But when you streamline something that just doesn't need to be streamlined and is worse off because of it - that is dumbing down. Morrowind was not a confusing or overly complex game. Many of us will have played it when we were young kids. Oblivion was even simpler and arguably one of the most accessible and mainstream RPGs ever made. So why keep 'streamlining' things further, when a lot of fans would rather see development take the opposite approach?

And shrugging off attributes as being "spreadsheets" just makes you look incredibly stupid.

All these numbers really should be hidden in a CRPG anyway. They were just required to create systems people could use to determine outcomes of actions in a simplified way, using dice rolls. Computers are much better at computing those type of things, so they are really not neccessary.

On topic: Skyrim is simply the best game I have ever played. This is not just "new game" speak. I have invested enough time into the game to know that, yes, it is the best. I can understand how some people miss the spell making element, but I haven't liked it in the last two games anyway, so I don't miss it. I love the perks, and how they let me form my character. I love the world and the detail it includes. I am not missing anything from the last two games. The moment to moment gameplay, the stories, the actual experience of playing, these things are combining to create my favorite game.

They're just attention seeking little brats. There are many, many legitimate gripes with Skyrim, most of which sadly will only be addressed by mods, and even still Skyrim is fantastic.

"Dumbed down" was merely a term used by the media and reviewers. Poorly chosen words imo, since it's insulting to some. We just happen to got used to using that term.

Anyway "dumbed down" was actually what I meant. I simply prefer my own term of choice.

Not necessarily spreadsheets issues though, we simply need to discern which critics are actually valid rather that shooting "troll" posts willy-nilly.

I want to see the names of some modern single player RPGs that outclass Skyrim. One, because I think they are harder to find than most people realize and two, because I'd like to play them.

Oh it's really bad. That's why it sold 7 million copies in the first 5 days.

I'm betting that when the dust settles Skyrim will have brought in over a billion dollars.

The thing is a hit. Some people don't like it. Quite a few do.

They couldn't do everything. There's some obvious flaws. Most people are willing to overlook those flaws.

I don`t understand why someone who hates the game so much, would want to hang about these forums... :ermm:

Well my guess is either they're pure haters (who disappointed their favorite Developer been eating dust because of Skyrim), or simply people who actually care for the betterment of Bethesda.

It's the opposite. A lot of us LOVE the game, which is why some issues bother us even more. It's frustrating to see how much potential the game has, but it's being held back because of some design decisions. And it's why we whine on forums to get them fixed - at least until modding tools come out.

I must say, I just don't feel this way at all about Skyrim. I've played all of the TES games. Daggerfall is still my favorite, although that may be largely influenced by nostalgia at this point.

Morrowind disappointed me because the world felt "dead" to me. It was too static, with too few people and things going on. It was a huge change from the procedurally generated areas of Arena & Daggerfall in many obvious ways, but despite the poor graphics I enjoyed the atmosphere of them more. Morrowind did a lot of things right, but it made me feel like I was exploring a still-life rather than a living, breathing world and that really bothered me.

Oblivion I liked the least of all of them. Cannot express how disappointed I was. I still enjoyed a play through for what it was, but it just didn't feel like TES to me. I had no urge to explore and it didn't really feel like there was anything to discover. The only TES game I basically just hit the main quest line hard and finished it quickly. I wasn't compelled to do anything else. The leveling system and massive scaling made me cry.

Skyrim has restored my faith in the series. Everything feels so much more "right" to me for the first time since Daggerfall. I'm ignoring the main quest just wandering around doing what I feel like. I have two characters I'm switching back and forth between that are doing completely different stuff. They "streamlined" a lot, which is true and I was very concerned about it leading up to it. But now that I've played with it, I can get on board with the character development style. I'd still prefer my "stat sheet" in the long run, but I feel like this system does work well unlike Oblivion's garbage. You still have pretty explicit control over how your character develops, it's just presented more "organically".

Overall, I'm loving it more than both Oblivion and Morrowind.

Those who are critical in order to perhaps better the series have a point and a solution.

What we see here is more or less a temper tantrum.