[Kelly James]

I don't feel guilty about my excitement, but I think there is way too many disappointment threads going on around here that bring me down the positive vibe this forum should have a little. My only concern is it might affect sales, which affects future TES games. I want the best possible game Bethesda can make, and these games take huge budgets. If I were them I'd close all these negative threads and limit it to one thread for that BS. It's ruining the good vibe and excitement this game and forum should have. I don't like coming here looking for links to articles, screens, trailers and good info to see flooding of complaint threads by mostly uninformed people. Makes it hard to get excited when you can't find the goods you are looking for, like pete hines tweets, pax info, quakecon, etc. But maybe the average buyer doesn't even come to the forums for all I know... so maybe it has little impact.

[Rebekah Rebekah Nicole]

More like "gamer's anger", where I feel like reaching through the screen and punching someone in the face.

[Niisha]

This is a very new sensation that I've never experienced in video games in my entire life, but these feelings are here, and very well defined. What's happening to me is that whenever I hear news about something Skyrim related I get really happy, and it makes me want to get and play Skyrim even more than before. Now this is where this kicks in. Then I look at some of these threads on here about people that are sad, disappointed, and otherwise negatively effected, and it makes me feel guilty for having been happy about something they announced.

I know this probably sounds very irrational to you guys who are reading this, but I'm going to give an example. When they announced that the item repair system was removed in favor of something they thought was better and more immersive, I was really happy. Then I saw a thread on here about it and took a look, but I did not like what I saw. Dozens of people were mad, disappointed, etc., and I just kind of felt extreme Gamer's Remorse after that.

I should probably keep stuff like this to myself, but the more I'm here, the more I've been experiencing this. Does anyone else feel the same way?

(Don't make fun of me please.)

What you have to think about is the pros and cons of the game...

Whats good about it and whats negative?

And then you have to decide if the pros outweigh the cons...

-KC

[Keeley Stevens]

After 300 threads on spears and crossbows what else can you do but laugh at it? I believe that some of the whining threads are mostly sincere, the rest is nitpicking from people that just joined the forums in the last few days/weeks/months or so that have nothing better to do than to than expressing their "fears", "worries" and dislikes Over the same old subject over and over again....

[Jeffrey Lawson]

I don't feel guilty about my excitement, but I think there is way too many disappointment threads going on around here that bring me down the positive vibe this forum should have a little. My only concern is it might affect sales, which affects future TES games. I want the best possible game Bethesda can make, and these games take huge budgets. If I were them I'd close all these negative threads and limit it to one thread for that BS. It's ruining the good vibe and excitement this game and forum should have. I don't like coming here looking for links to articles, screens, trailers and good info to see flooding of complaint threads by mostly uninformed people. Makes it hard to get excited when you can't find the goods you are looking for, like pete hines tweets, pax info, quakecon, etc. But maybe the average buyer doesn't even come to the forums for all I know... so maybe it has little impact.

O man I can't even imagine the backlash if they started closing threads and telling people to post in 1 big one. I can hear the screams of censoring and cover ups. You are right though that the average user doesn't come to the forums. Thats why forum polls and the like very rarely ever effect what a game company does.

[Philip Rua]

I don't feel bad at all if people want to not like the game or the series anymore.

[Flash]

I try not to feel guilty for loving this game but sometimes I fail

[Ana Torrecilla Cabeza]

Like others have said, don't worry about it. Enjoy your game if you get it.
I've been repeatedly disappointed since I joined, but I actually envy all the fans that are excited. I just can't get there myself which furthers my disappointment.

[naomi]

This is a very new sensation that I've never experienced in video games in my entire life, but these feelings are here, and very well defined. What's happening to me is that whenever I hear news about something Skyrim related I get really happy, and it makes me want to get and play Skyrim even more than before. Now this is where this kicks in. Then I look at some of these threads on here about people that are sad, disappointed, and otherwise negatively effected, and it makes me feel guilty for having been happy about something they announced.

I know this probably sounds very irrational to you guys who are reading this, but I'm going to give an example. When they announced that the item repair system was removed in favor of something they thought was better and more immersive, I was really happy. Then I saw a thread on here about it and took a look, but I did not like what I saw. Dozens of people were mad, disappointed, etc., and I just kind of felt extreme Gamer's Remorse after that.

I should probably keep stuff like this to myself, but the more I'm here, the more I've been experiencing this. Does anyone else feel the same way?

(Don't make fun of me please.)

I will not make fun...if waiting for this game makes you feel good, what's wrong about it?

In utter honesty this is irrational, sure...but the same applies for feeling sad, disappointed or overly angry about the choices made by developers.

Both are side effects of the hype generated by a game, which is partly created by gamers and partly generated on purpose by the developers, because, obviously, hype improves sales.

The hard truth is that for Bethesda, like any other software house, time and resources are a restrain and they are expected to develop the game in a certain time with a certain amount of resources.

Probably any developer will dream about limitless resources and/or time for development for many developers are gamers them too, but the harsh truth is that this is 21th Century and none's paying an artist to work for years to a masterpiece...not even you or me.

If Bethesda took years and years to develop a game which never show up we'd end up calling it "vaporware"...hype will turn to apathy and when the game comes out the expectations would be so high that no developer on Earth would be able to meet them.

So they need to make choices.

Each choice alienates one or more gamers, because each of us have expectations which are based on what other developers did in other great games did or what Bethesda did in other games...why they do them?

Probably because some idea are great, but they found out that they'd take too much time or too much resources...because they have to limit your freedom because, no matter how good could be the IA of Skyrim, Skyrim won't be a sentient program on a DVD, so they have to choose to limit you in order to offer you a very well-written story (such as in a book) or choose to not limit you, but probably offer you a shallower script...

...and, obviously, while I am not saying this is the case, often developers have to choose between making a game great for modding or put restrictions on modding, because modding produces "something" which could antagonize DLCs and DLCs are an opportunity to make a little more money on all that development cost which was spent on the game.

Does make sense to whine about the choices of developers?

I don't think so. What I think we should ask them is to have a "smart approach" to modding. TES (and FO3) had always a great modding community, but, for example, Oblivion and Fallout 3 were very unstable and prone to CTD.
So probably the most sensical thing to ask them is to make a more stable engine, to offer a good construction kit and, may be, take some hints of what the modding community is offering for his future DLCs, because there are great modders out there, but if a mod becomes part of a DLC or something like
that (which it was, if I am not wrong, the path taken by the Gold Modules of NWN), we'd have probably a more stable "enhancement" to the game.

The most rational request for the developer is to try their best to make a great and stable game and to let it open for "moddability".

And what about thinking to DLCs also as "improvement packs" to improve the game immersiveness which, in my opinion, would be more welcome than additional quests?

That's my honest opinion,
Jashkar

P.S.: Also...please Bethesda guys...don't ever ever ever take the path taken by the Atari/Bioware duo! Never hard code any crap just to attempt to make a little extra cash!
I bought Neverwinter Nights 2 and its two expansions...they hard coded the level c®ap into the game. They did it because hard coding would have given the option to unlock it in the following expansions, gaining a truckload of people buying the expansion just to get 10 extra levels of level cap. Then they found out they weren't up to the challenge of making a 40th level game expansion and that blasted level cap stayed at 30th!

I am a gamer. I buy games for my enjoyment. I have no problem if the sales and marketing guys stick their nose into the development (for, after all, everyone's out there to make money, right?), but if they ruin my gaming experience I'll want their balls on a plate!

[sunny lovett]

No, I'm not that easily influenced by other people's opinions.

[Markie Mark]

I was not on these forums for the releases of Morrowind or Oblivion. I was happy with both of those games while playing them. It was only until I started reading reviews and fan feedback that I noticed their flaws. I guess you could say I was happily unaware.

I think browsing this forum brings many (many!) issues to light that I otherwise would never have thought on. It makes me a more refined game as I start to evaluate my own feelings on the nuances of the game. I never thought about compass markers while playing Oblivion, but now, after reading and contributing to many topics about it here, I really hope we at least have the option to disable them. I didn't realize when playing Oblivion how much better the game would have played without them (for me).

So it makes me a more demanding gamer, but I think it will enhance the gameplay experience as well.

[Matt Gammond]

I feel like they arent seeing the game for what it is. It makes me more angry than anything. I for one will be able to love Skyrim. Many of the forum goers here will not.

[Lifee Mccaslin]

I feel like they arent seeing the game for what it is. It makes me more angry than anything. I for one will be able to love Skyrim. Many of the forum goers here will not.

I think maybe it's because we see Skyrim for what it is, and we aren't heavily comparing it to other Elder Scrolls titles and nit-picking every possible little detail. I guess it's a side-effect of releasing so much information about a game so far before it's release.

[bonita mathews]

no, remorse is for the weak

[Danger Mouse]

What I don't like is voicing my opinion about something I love not getting into SK, and being called a whiner and being told to go cry somewhere else. You don't have to agree with me, but no need to be a donkey.

[Laura Ellaby]

First and foremost: there is real suffering in this world. Anyone whose worst problem is that some video game doesn't have their favorite feature ... well, that is not someone to feel bad about. Period.

Secondly, something to bear in mind is that people on the Internet love to complain. Let me say that again: they love to complain. Whether or not their complaints have any validity (and I'm not saying they don't), these people, by and large, actually derive pleasure from the act of typing up these rants and diatribes. They are probably having a much better time than you are. So, again, please don't feel bad for them us.

[Kelly James]

ahhhhhhhhhh dont be sad here here i gve you cookie and ice cream :cookie: :icecream:

[sara OMAR]

Nope. I do find it frustrating that people seem to complain about every little thing and then make multiple threads to complain about the same little thing.

[Bonnie Clyde]

no, remorse is for the weak

Lord knows best.

[Jennifer May]

i dont think you should feel bad, you should be excited for the game, if you're happy about something thats all that matters... bethesda themselves know they cant make everyone happy, they accept that fact, so you certainly shouldnt let it bother you.

look, people are ALWAYS complaining, about EVERYTHING.

example... people were worried hand-to-hand was taken out... it was confirmed to still be in, but since it wasnt a skill, people didnt think it was a viable option anymore... they hear there are non-lethal tavern brawls, they think its just a gimmick and still wont prove useful in battle... then we get confirmation that we CAN kill enemies with our fists and its still a viable combat choice... then they complain that they cant be peaceful fist fighters.

its never-ending, people will complain about everything... if you let yourself feel bad because other people arent happy, you, yourself... will NEVER be happy.

just try not to let others' endless complaints bother you, it might be tough, but do you really want other people you dont know, making you feel bad about being excited about the most anticipated game of the year?

trust me, even if those people got what they wanted... they would find something else to complain about.

try to cheer up and stop letting all the complaints ruin your excitement. :hugs:

[meghan lock]

The way I see it, once the game comes out everyone will be too busy playing to care about what they added or removed because in the end it will still play and feel like an Elder scrolls game. So I don't worry about it too much.

[Manuel rivera]

No I can't say I've ever felt this....

But I'm usually the one disappointed in those threads.

Skyrim will be one of my favorite games of all time, they had me sold at TES:V, but I'm allowed to be disappointed in BGS's choices.

What bugs me more than the complaint threads (though they can too) is the anti-complaint brigade that usually sweeps in and says everything BGS does is right and no other opinion matters. Concerned fans = Trolls/whiners to some people, but not to me.

[Antony Holdsworth]

Pfft, idgaf if someone is disappointed about something I love (removal of attributes, classes). I just remember that in the end almost everyone on these forums will buy or play the game and have the time of their lives.

You believe this?


To topic: I've never felt "gamer's remorse", or if I have, its a remorse for time spent gaming. :shrug:

[Crystal Clear]

I guess that you are insecure? I dunno, you shouldn't feel that way. Different peeps like different things.

[El Khatiri]

They are probably having a much better time than you are. So, again, please don't feel bad for them us.

:rofl: It's funny 'cause it's true!