Ok this is getting irritating... : IV

» Tue May 17, 2011 6:38 am

My khajiit don't have wiskers again! And i am gonna delete this game if i can't fix this again!
If anyone can help me right now please do so or i am gonna go raging around Tamriel and i will kill every single khajiit without wiskers!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :mad:

:ahhh: :nuke: :angry: :flame: :swear: :chaos: :banghead:

» Tue May 17, 2011 3:16 pm

Do you have Wrye Bash v283 installed? If fixes all or most of the race importing bugs. Post your load order as well.

Edit: ...with Wrye Bash, please.

» Tue May 17, 2011 12:11 am

My khajiit don't have wiskers again! And i am gonna delete this game if i can't fix this again!
If anyone can help me right now please do so or i am gonna go raging around Tamriel and i will kill every single khajiit without wiskers!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :mad:

:ahhh: :nuke: :angry: :flame: :swear: :chaos: :banghead:

Sigh...IF your Whiskers are like MY eyelashes your gonna have fun keeping them loaded....
Every time i update BOSS and run it, it places Eyelashes first among the Race records....it just plain wont load there..I have to have it load last of the Race records and just before Better Cities. Think the Whiskers are like the Eyelashes they use a Merged teeth or mouth?

Try moving the Whiskers last in your load...

Yes this has been reported. I just always edit master list for the Eyelashes to work.

» Tue May 17, 2011 6:40 am

Spoiler

Active Mod Files:
00 Oblivion.esm
01 ScreenEffects.esm
02 You Are Here.esm
03 All Natural Base.esm [Version 0.9.9]
04 Francesco's Leveled Creatures-Items Mod.esm
05 Francesco's Optional New Items Add-On.esm
06 Cobl Main.esm [Version 1.71]
07 Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm [Version 1.34]
08 Mart's Monster Mod.esm [Version 3.7b3p3]
09 FCOM_Convergence.esm [Version 0.9.9MB3]
0A Armamentarium.esm [Version 1.35]
0B Artifacts.esm [Version 1.1]
0C Toaster Says Share v3.esm
0D HorseCombatMaster.esm
++ HrmnsOblivionScriptOptimizationv1.0.esp
0E Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp [Version 3.2.0]
0F UOP Vampire Aging & Face Fix.esp [Version 1.0.0]
10 DLCShiveringIsles.esp
** Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp [Version 1.4.0]
11 Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Bosses.esp
12 Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Enemies.esp
13 Francesco's Optional Chance of More Enemies.esp
14 Francesco's Optional Leveled Guards.esp
++ Francesco's Dark Seducer Weapons Patch.esp
++ FCOM_Francescos.esp [Version 0.9.9]
++ FCOM_FrancescosItemsAddOn.esp [Version 0.9.9]
15 FCOM_FrancescosNamedBosses.esp [Version 0.9.9]
16 Fran Armor Add-on.esp
17 Fran_Lv30Item_Maltz.esp
18 All Natural - Real Lights.esp [Version 0.9.9]
19 All Natural.esp [Version 0.9.9]
1A All Natural - SI.esp [Version 0.9.9]
++ All Natural - Enhanced Weather.esp [Version Final]
1B Enhanced Water v2.0 HD.esp
1C MIS Low Wind.esp
1D AmbientDungeons.esp [Version 1.3]
** Book Jackets Oblivion.esp
++ Item interchange - Extraction.esp [Version 0.74]
1E Oblivion Collectible Cards.esp
1F Enhanced Economy.esp [Version 3.4.3]
20 C&C - The Blackwood Company.esp
21 Expanded Hotkeys and Spell Delete v1.0.esp
22 DLCHorseArmor.esp
23 DLCHorseArmor - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.5]
24 DLCOrrery.esp
25 DLCOrrery - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.3]
26 DLCVileLair.esp
27 DLCVileLair - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.5]
28 DLCMehrunesRazor.esp
29 DLCMehrunesRazor - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.4]
2A DLCSpellTomes.esp
2B DLCSpellTomes - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.1]
** MaleBodyReplacerV4.esp
** RTFemaleReplacerV12.esp
2C Slof's Horses Base.esp
2D DLCThievesDen.esp
2E DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.5]
2F DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch - SSSB.esp [Version 1.0.4]
30 ExnemRuneskulls.esp
++ FCOM_ExnemRuneskulls.esp [Version 0.9.9]
31 Cobl Glue.esp [Version 1.69]
32 Cobl Si.esp [Version 1.63]
++ FCOM_Cobl.esp [Version 0.9.9]
33 Bob's Armory Oblivion.esp
34 FCOM_BobsArmory.esp [Version 0.9.9]
35 Loth's Blunt Weapons for Npcs.esp
++ FCOM_LothsBluntWeapons.esp [Version 0.9.9]
36 Oblivion WarCry EV.esp
37 FCOM_WarCry.esp [Version 0.9.9MB3]
38 Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp [Version 1.34]
39 FCOM_Convergence.esp [Version 0.9.9Mb3]
++ FCOM_EntropicOrderRebalance.esp [Version 0.9.9beta2]
3A FCOM_RealSwords.esp [Version 0.9.9]
3B Mart's Monster Mod - More Wilderness Life No Gates.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
++ Mart's Monster Mod - Looting NPCs & Creatures.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
3C Mart's Monster Mod - Gems & Gem Dust.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
3D Mart's Monster Mod - Hunting & Crafting.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
++ FCOM_TamrielTravelers.esp [Version 0.9.9]
3E FCOM_MoreRandomSpawns.esp [Version 0.9.9]
3F FCOM_MoreRandomItems.esp [Version 0.9.9]
40 TIE In.esp [Version 1.2b]
++ TIE In - ExnemRuneskulls.esp [Version 1.2b]
++ TIE In - Cobl.esp [Version 1.2b]
41 TIE In - FCOM Convergence.esp [Version 1.2b]
++ TIE In - RealSwords.esp [Version 1.2b]
++ TIE In - MMM Craft.esp [Version 1.2b]
++ ArmamentariumLL4OOO.esp [Version 2.01]
++ ArmamentariumLLMagicOOO.esp [Version 1.35]
** C&C - The Blackwood Company - OOO.esp
42 Enhanced Quest Roleplaying.esp
43 Cyrodiil transportation network 1.3.esp
44 AlchemistsCave.esp
45 Artifacts.esp [Version 1.1]
++ Artifacts - ArmaCompleteAddon.esp [Version 1.0]
46 JSRandomTasks.esp [Version 1.1a]
47 Snow Dragon Temple v1.0.esp [Version 1.1]
48 The Ayleid Steps.esp [Version 3.1]
49 DLCFrostcrag.esp
4A DLCFrostcrag - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.4]
4B Knights.esp
4C Knights - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.9]
++ TIE In - Knights.esp [Version 1.2b]
++ FCOM_Knights.esp [Version 0.9.9Mb3]
4D xulStendarrValley.esp [Version 1.2.1]
4E xulTheHeath.esp
4F XulEntiusGorge.esp
50 xulFallenleafEverglade.esp [Version 1.3.1]
51 xulColovianHighlands_EV.esp [Version 1.2.1]
52 xulChorrolHinterland.esp [Version 1.2.2]
53 xulBeachesOfCyrodiilLostCoast.esp
54 xulBravilBarrowfields.esp [Version 1.3.2]
55 xulLushWoodlands.esp [Version 1.3]
56 xulAncientYews.esp [Version 1.4.2]
57 xulAncientRedwoods.esp [Version 1.6]
58 xulCloudtopMountains.esp [Version 1.0.1]
59 xulArriusCreek.esp [Version 1.1.2]
5A xulPatch_AY_AC.esp [Version 1.1]
5B xulPantherRiver.esp
5C xulRiverEthe.esp [Version 1.0.2]
5D xulBrenaRiverRavine.esp [Version 1.0.2]
5E xulImperialIsle.esp [Version 1.6.3]
5F xulBlackwoodForest.esp
++ FCOM_UnofficialFranArmorAddon.esp [Version 0.9.9]
60 Dungeon Actors Have Torches 1.6 DT.esp
61 gardening.esp
62 PersuasionOverhaul.esp
63 Roleplaying Dialogues.esp
64 Quest Award Leveller.esp [Version 2.0.1]
65 Quest Award Leveller - Vile Lair.esp [Version 2.1.0]
++ Quest Award Leveller - Mehrunes Razor.esp [Version 2.1.0]
66 Quest Award Leveller - Knights of the Nine.esp [Version 2.1.0]
++ TIE In - DLCOrrery.esp [Version 1.2b]
++ TIE In - DLCThievesDen.esp [Version 1.2b]
++ TIE In - DLCFrostcrag.esp [Version 1.2b]
67 Alternative Start by Robert Evrae.esp
68 RealisticFatigue.esp
69 RealisticHealth.esp
6A RealSleep.esp
6B SupremeMagicka.esp [Version 0.89]
6C SM_ShiveringIsles.esp [Version 0.86]
++ SM_DLCSpellTome.esp [Version 0.80]
++ SM_OOO.esp [Version 0.89]
++ SM_MMM.esp [Version 0.89]
++ SM_COBL.esp
++ SM_Scrolls.esp [Version 0.84]
6D MidasSpells.esp
6E Deadly Reflex 5 - Timed Block with no damage or durability changes.esp
6F DeadlyReflex 5 - Combat Moves.esp
++ SM_DeadlyReflex.esp [Version 0.86]
70 Seph's new animations.esp
** _darker_dungeons.esp
++ Item interchange - Placement for FCOM.esp [Version 0.74]
** Atmospheric Loading Screens - No Text.esp
++ Slof's Oblivion Better Beasts.esp
71 Slof's Clouded Leopard.esp
72 Toaster Says Share Faction Recruitment.esp
73 Cobl Races.esp [Version 1.52]
++ Cobl Races - Balanced.esp [Version 1.52]
74 _burning_kvatch.esp
75 Real Hunger, Cobl.esp [Version 1.6.1]
76 Bashed Patch, 0.esp
77 Streamline 3.1.esp
78 The_Eagles_Nest_Returned.esp

I am using Wrye Bash 275 i guess i should download the latest?

» Tue May 17, 2011 5:04 am

Yup. 283 includes quite a few bug fixes too. Bug fixing was the focus of this latest release. This is definitely a good time to upgrade. You are missing out on quite a few bashed patch and bash tag updates.

Edit: ...including race importing-related fixes. You should move that plugin up to where the rest of the quest mods are. (That is a quest mod, is it not?) Also, remove TIE In. Wait for Corepc to release the new TIE4MODs. That mod does not work so well with FCOM as it is.

» Tue May 17, 2011 7:19 am

Yup. 283 includes quite a few bug fixes too. Bug fixing was the focus of this latest release. This is definitely a good time to upgrade. You are missing out on quite a few bashed patch and bash tag updates.

Edit: ...including race importing-related fixes. You should move that plugin up to where the rest of the quest mods are. (That is a quest mod, is it not?) Also, remove TIE In. Wait for Corepc to release the new TIE4MODs. That mod does not work so well with FCOM as it is.

What the hell are you talking about? Hmm what quest mod? Ok i will ask Corepc about the TIE4MODS

» Tue May 17, 2011 12:26 am

What the hell are you talking about? Hmm what quest mod? Ok i will ask Corepc about the TIE4MODS

I was referring to the plugin that BOSS did not recogize: The_Eagles_Nest_Returned.esp

» Tue May 17, 2011 1:03 pm

For your Khajiit to keep their whiskers your copy of Slof's Oblivion Better Beasts requires the bash tag "R.Teeth" (if I remember the name correctly). This will make the bashed patch take care this particular setting persists for your Khajiit, regardless of which other plugin might be loading later. However, if there's any other plugin bearing the same tag, they will of course fight each other again and the one loading later will win.
I think the latest BOSS Masterlist contains this already, but I'm not 100% sure due to being unable to try it out myself without the game.

» Tue May 17, 2011 3:28 pm

For your Khajiit to keep their whiskers your copy of Slof's Oblivion Better Beasts requires the bash tag "R.Teeth" (if I remember the name correctly). This will make the bashed patch take care this particular setting persists for your Khajiit, regardless of which other plugin might be loading later. However, if there's any other plugin bearing the same tag, they will of course fight each other again and the one loading later will win.
I think the latest BOSS Masterlist contains this already, but I'm not 100% sure due to being unable to try it out myself without the game.

You are correct about the BOSS tag suggestion: http://code.google.com/p/better-oblivion-sorting-software/source/browse/masterlist.txt

» Tue May 17, 2011 3:01 am

I was referring to the plugin that BOSS did not recogize: The_Eagles_Nest_Returned.esp

Its not a quest its a house mod i don't know where to place it

Drake thanks for clearing that up for me i understand i guess wiskers are placed on teeth... downloading latest wrye bash

Does anyone by any chance know whats the difference between Slof's Clouded Leopards v1.2 and 1.3?

I have been experiencing wrye bash to fail me for some reason when i start wrye bash again when i go rebuild patch item interogation plugins , all weather natural, i think maybe a few more do not appear to be active or "marked" in the bashed patch when rebuilding even though i did rebuild the patch with them

» Tue May 17, 2011 12:40 pm

All Natural Weather and Item Integration are both "Filter" type mods. Wrye Bash chooses only certain elements from them when building the bashed patch.

They should not be active after building the patch, they should have a red [+] symbol.

Note, this is for one particular file from All Natural, and most, if not all, from Item Integration.

» Tue May 17, 2011 6:24 am

All Natural Weather and Item Integration are both "Filter" type mods. Wrye Bash chooses only certain elements from them when building the bashed patch.

They should not be active after building the patch, they should have a red [+] symbol.

Note, this is for one particular file from All Natural, and most, if not all, from Item Integration.

You dont understand what did i said
I said: I rebuild patch everything seems ok, i turn off wrye bash , i turn it on again mods: All Weather, Item Intergration maybe a few more dont appear to be bashed or + or dot or anything i go rebuild patch there they are not marked to be bashed why is this happening?!

» Tue May 17, 2011 4:31 am

For a mod's content to be imported into the bashed patch it has to be checked in the bashed patch somewhere. For example, the AN mod should be checked in the "import cells" section of the bashed patch.

» Tue May 17, 2011 2:21 am

For a mod's content to be imported into the bashed patch it has to be checked in the bashed patch somewhere. For example, the AN mod should be checked in the "import cells" section of the bashed patch.

You still dont understand i checked it rebuilt the patch and i turned off wrye bash turned it back on and all the mods that i have checked are unchecked again. Do you understand now?!

My khajiit have wiskers but the female textures are messed up AGAIN! Just like my last problem they are covered in fur and in human skin!
Slof's Better Beasts status has to be [+] atleast for the wiskers to appear however when i do that my khajiit are covered in half human half fur skin do you want a screenshot of that monstrosity?

» Tue May 17, 2011 3:33 am

There are two main groups in which house mods can be placed. Move it to load immediately after the ULs. Hopefully, there are no compatibility issues. You should post that plugin and a link to its upload page in the BOSS thread so that it can be added.

I was not sure if you understood the dot and plus sign. I will ask directly then, does your AN filter plugin have a dot in the check box? Please, post the section of your BOSS log from Slof's Better Beast plugin to the bashed patch. I am wondering what tags are being recommended.

Edit:

You still dont understand i checked it rebuilt the patch and i turned off wrye bash turned it back on and all the mods that i have checked are unchecked again. Do you understand now?!

No, I do not understand that statement. That could mean you checked the plugin in your load order, then rebuilt the bashed patch; or, it could mean you launched the rebuild the bashed patch dialog and checked plugins under the appropriate sections. I have no clue what you mean by "turned off Wrye Bash." If that means that you deactivated the bashed patch, I have no clue what you did that for. Deactivating the bashed patch deactivates pseudo-activated mods, that you did not activate yourself. If you activated a plugin yourself, the check boxes will contain checks until you click on the check box to deactivate them. I do not understand how reactivating the bashed patch caused anything to be unchecked either. Now, do you understand why I am confused?

» Tue May 17, 2011 3:24 am

You still dont understand i checked it rebuilt the patch and i turned off wrye bash turned it back on and all the mods that i have checked are unchecked again. Do you understand now?!

The correct use of punctuation can be a great agent of understanding. I personally have no clue what that sentence means. The use of commas and full stops in the appropriate places would certainly held though. :shrug:

» Tue May 17, 2011 5:33 am

The correct use of punctuation can be a great agent of understanding. I personally have no clue what that sentence means. The use of commas and full stops in the appropriate places would certainly held though. :shrug:

Gee, let's all be grammar nazis to the newbie.

What he's trying to say as far as I can tell is that when he activates a mod in his load order, upon exiting and re-entering Wrye Bash that mod will have returned to being inactive ('unchecked').

» Tue May 17, 2011 5:21 am

Gee, let's all be grammar nazis to the newbie.

What he's trying to say as far as I can tell is that when he activates a mod in his load order, upon exiting and re-entering Wrye Bash that mod will have returned to being inactive ('unchecked').

1. I'm no grammar nazi: I wasn't flaming him or raging at his inability to use grammar properly, because I can't either. Far too many people get called that for trying to correct the writing of what could be a 6 year old (comparing to my brother here). Consider it a helpful hint on how to better be understood online. What I was pointing out is basic writing. I'm pretty sure the OP doesn't write like that IRL, so I don't understand how he can write illegibly here and expect people to understand what he's trying to say, and then get irritated by our lack of understanding.

2. How is his being a newbie supposed to influence in any way either my ability to point out potential improvement, or his ability to write? He's a newbie here, so we can give him leeway on stuff specific to this board, as he's probably not come across it before. The ability to write legible sentences is (thankfully) not something specific to this board.

See Tomlong's post for some of the many interpretations of what the OP's post could have meant. You may be right in your guess, but it's still a guess, and the confusion would have easily been avoided had he just written legibly to begin with.

» Tue May 17, 2011 6:24 am

Ok what are ULs? AN filter? I am gonna give you a few screenshots ok?
I already said i know what plus and dot signs stand for... thats not the problem here focus on the problem please!

Slof's Oblivion Better Beasts.esp
. Bashed Patch tag suggestion: {{BASH:NpcFaces,R.Teeth,Graphics,Body-M,Body-F,Deactivate}}
http://img86.imageshack.us/i/listwryeisgay.png/,http://img42.imageshack.us/img42/3958/screenshot18bmp.jpg

Gee, let's all be grammar nazis to the newbie.

You don't mean me right?
For the first and last time, i am not a newbie! Deal with it! Ha!

All stuff above about me being unable to write properly is unnecessary, here i have explained everything in this post
Please don't post off topic "stuff".

» Tue May 17, 2011 4:02 am

This will help. When you build your bashed patch, it brings up a report of what it did. Copy and paste that report here in a Spoiler box.

» Tue May 17, 2011 1:54 am

Better Beasts only touches the whiskers*, so cannot be the source of your problem with Khajiit body texture. You have another mod that is overwriting them ... that is what I am seeing--improper texture for the body mod you are using.

And this!

Whatever mod it is could possibly be changing the Better Beasts pathing back also ... importing Better Beasts may fix the whiskers issue, but you will probably have to identify the offending mod with Tes4edit and adjust load order too.

*My mistake ... it only does this since I cleaned it.

» Tue May 17, 2011 11:59 am

Ok what are ULs? AN filter? I am gonna give you a few screenshots ok?
I already said i know what plus and dot signs stand for... thats not the problem here focus on the problem please!

Slof's Oblivion Better Beasts.esp
. Bashed Patch tag suggestion: {{BASH:NpcFaces,R.Teeth,Graphics,Body-M,Body-F,Deactivate}}
http://img86.imageshack.us/i/listwryeisgay.png/,http://img42.imageshack.us/img42/3958/screenshot18bmp.jpg

You don't mean me right?
For the first and last time, i am not a newbie! Deal with it! Ha!

All stuff above about me being unable to write properly is unnecessary, here i have explained everything in this post
Please don't post off topic "stuff".

That picture makes it look as though you have incompatible textures installed for your body replacer. The texture is not mapped to the body appropriately.

Edit: Remove that script optimization mod. It is buggy and offers almost nothing in the way of performance enhancement.

» Tue May 17, 2011 4:34 am

Ok let me say this again when i MERGE slof's better beasts i get wiskers and bad texutres for females, when i IMPORT i get good textures no wiskers do you understand?
Slof's Better Beasts REQUIRE Robert's male and female bodies and is compatable...

» Tue May 17, 2011 8:20 am

Could post comparison screen shots of the bashed patch vs. Slof's plugins for the two situations, merged and imported? I know that it requires Roberts' bodies, but that does not change the fact that the texture looked like it was mapped wrong in that picture. In the screen shots, show the BODY DATA section. I think the relevant records are the footfemale texture paths. Maybe they are being overwritten in the merge situation. The import is only putting through the graphics changes, you have to merge for body data tags to work. Have you tried merging and disabling all but the teeth tag in the race changes section. It just sounds like one of the race changes that are happening is not right. Let me check the tags again in your previous post, but try merging and only using the teeth tag. Of course, leave it checked in the import graphics section as well. I will update in a sec with the tag changes I think you should make if you can wait a bit.

Edit: Okay, got 'em: {{BASH:NpcFaces,R.Teeth,Graphics,Body-M,Body-F,Deactivate}}

In the import situation, these tags are "working": NpcFaces,Graphics,

In the merge situation, all of the tags are working.

Try removing just the Body-F tag (right-click in the tags frame and uncheck it) and see how merging goes with those tags. Hopefully that takes care of the problem if import graphics is producing the right textures.

» Tue May 17, 2011 10:14 am

So, you're not going to post the bashed patch report so we'll have an idea what's going on?