for the record I never got that Bullet sponge thing except for with Super Mutants here and there.

Thankfully, because the game is moddable I'm guessing it can be fixed if it turns out too bad.

Please, don't remind me of those Overlords, I remmember ecnountering two, plus a behemoth, I thought I'd let them and the behemoth duke it out, and after a good about 8 failed retries, I decided to side with the behemoth and pop a few mini nukes down their throat,

Its not so much an issue of realism but challenge. Bethesda figured with their expansions that since we were all veterans and level 30, we needed a challenge.
Reavers are not a fun challenge. They are just annoying. I agree that this game shouldn't try to be realistic, it's not that kind of game.
I just want a fun, balanced, interesting challenge.

You mean bullet sponges? I hated the bullet sponges in Point Lookout. It made the game harder, but it didn't make the game funner. I just ended up putting the difficulty level down abit because it broke the immersion. How come I couldn't kill a hick redneck and it was easier to kill a supermutant. I hope there is nothing like this in New Vegas.

Yeah but it's totally not ridiculous to have a guy stop time and unload a clip of 7.62 into five different targets faces killing them all before they can finish drawing down. I had very little trouble with the Swampfolk but I know how to sneak. It's funny the stuff people pay attention to and what they choose to ignore.

I'm pretty sure you're thinking about something else. Overlords and Behemoths are both Super Mutants, they wouldn't be duking it out with themselves as they're on the same side. Maybe you're thinking of a Reaver, which is the most powerful type of Ghoul.

meh on one side id perfer monsters that were smarter and used tatics instead of tons of health, on the other I don't get why people always complain about how shooting them with a .50 should kill them and its completely unrealistic. I mean have you ever shot a mutant in the face with a .50? I mean as soon as we put unrealistic creatures in a game we can't judge how they react by our real world standards.

I really hope higher difficulty/level enemies aren't the bullet sponges like Overlords and Reavers were.

When I can kill a Behemoth easier then an Overlord, something's wrong.

The problem has been that we need 2 different difficulty sliders. One for enemies and another for our character. I always wanted to play with the enemies difficulty (hp at the easy level) but make it where they did much, much more damage to me. In other words have it where you are also only able to take 2-3 shots and then you're dead too. That's how I wish the game was played.

Fallout had that :shrug:

I don't mind that at all; the real crux of it though is the PC... Is the PC good enough to achieve 1 shot kills. If the answer is 'No', then it means that his accuracy is lacking; if the answer is 'Yes', then why not? There is no rule that RPG's can't have one hit kills. Both FO1 & 2 had them, and even Baldur's Gate (TotSC) had one hit death traps.

(For that matter AD&D has one hit kill spell attacks ~even has "Power-word KILL", "Slay Living", and "Disintegrate").

Go back to playing call of doody.

Personally I hope bullet sponges are not in. I dont mind if they require some hits to drop them if they are wearing visable armor. If they are say a waste land settler type person with no helmet and typical animal skin clothes then a single shot head shot should kill them.

Now I dont want to get off topic but there is a way to get a good balance and still maintain 1 shot headshot kills. The game I recently got (will result in me holding off on getting New Vegas) was Mafia II, while yes it has 1 shot headshot kills in it but you couldnt be killed with one shot though. Instead to balance the game out you had a health bar long as you were getting shot at your health bar went down when it reached 0 you were dead. After being shot at your health bar went back up. Now if you were shot at alot and had only 25% left as the highest when your bar went down well then now the highest health level you have now is just 75% which means the same situation that you were just in will kill you now. Only way to resolve that is to eat or drink something to bring your health back to the top.

Personally if Fallout had something like this, this would be a good balance for say hardcoe or as someone above said a mode called realistic. That means while it will be easy to kill say Talon Company Mercs with one shot to the head, it also means that if there are more than one shooting at you, your health bar will drop quickly if your not behind cover. This will result in a quick death, I personally think something like this would be a good balance if it was borrowed from Mafia II and used in the next fallout game to give a easier kill to your enemies instead of them being bullet sponges but also gives you the chance at easily being killed if your out numbered and you dont use cover for protection.

From what I seen so far though it appears pretty much that New Vegas will be a good balance, only thing I am concerned about is all those lights on the strip and how they will cause the performance to be when on a PC unit. Hopefully they made the engine more efficent so all the extra eyecandy they put in will perform atleast the same it did on FO3 at the same graphical settings.

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Reavers, Overlords, Albino Scorps, Hillbillies, Were all the major Bullet sponges, and they were all DLC so I wouldn't worry too much about it.

It depends on the Genre of the game, FPS then yes a certain amount of realism is expected with regards to the combat and damage, with cRPG's however a certain amount of unrealism is expected with regards to the combat and damage.

High levels enemies on a high difficulty setting just would not fie. I understand for super mutants and large monsters, but not for humans.

I would think it would be in this game, but maybe a bit better, since they have tried to improve combat...

I just heard difficulty increases the number of mobs. So im guessing they tonned it down. I'll confirm in 22 hours and let you foreigners know

i just hope hardcoe mode doesnt mean 50 headshots to a gecko to kill them

Sure, at some point we should be powerful enough to take 'em on with ease.
But at that point we also need something else so that we actually can have a challenging game.

hum yea, of course, a 10mm round totally pierces a high end technology enclave hellfire power helmet and instantly kills the wearer...

who cares, if your character svcks than so do you, beef up your guns skill

Nah, hardcoe mode doesn't affect damage to enemies or enemy health.

I want weapons to be more lethal than in FO3. Both for you and opponent. hardcoe mode sounds sweet as hell, especially that stimpack part, since you cant just spam stims anymore. What i am worried about is the melee characters, if bullets are more lethal than before, then how do you make a viable melee character?

Between the drugs, the mutation, and the implied disposition of most enemies it was always easy for me to imagine some way for enemies to still be standing despite taking a bullet in the face. Never really bothered me; which is good since I'm sure there will be more of the same here in NV.

This just made my day. Thank you. :thumbsup: