Bullies arent skilled in hand to hand combat either... They only do what they do because they usually have friends, or dont have resistance.
A guy in my old scool bullied people, he couldnt fight for [censored], one time he ended up pissing of the wrong person, and just got his ass kicked. Some however you dont mess with, as another one from my school got kicked out then about a year later I hear he thre bleach in someones eye... I think thats more insanity/psychotic (would say sociopathic, but sociopaths are supposedly cunning he wasnt) and genreally having no [censored] shame, but generally I dont think bullies can fight. Also anger makes you strong (join the darkside) atleast when I get angry I have more energy, notice pain less but just get a headache after calming down for some strange reason, but all that pent up anger will help in fights.

I'll just pop in here to refute your beating someone is never the answer. I only threw 2 punches in my school career, so I'm not sure if they count as beatings.

1) I was in 4th grade, at a family wedding. Another kid was picking on me, so my dad said to make him stop. I popped him, and he didn't bother me. At least that's the family story; I don't remember much of it.

2) A couple kids were picking on me in my first year at high school. Sticks and stones, flipping my collar on my shirt, etc. I got sick of it. The taller of the pair was walking towards me in the crowded hallway between classes. We made eye contact, he started smirking, and I put him on his knees with a good punch to the solar plexus as we passed - I kept on walking. Never bothered me again. :shrug:

Yes, it's a double-edged sword, but it can work. Like I said, just to refute your blanket answer. No offense meant.

Now, I've been punched a few times after school career. What I've found is that the person who threw the first punch usually ends up looking like a fool. Not due to my fighting technique, but due to me being able to prove my point in words that they will feel like fool for losing their temper, or not dropping me, and kind of processing the moment on the spot.

Regarding teacher involvemnt, there are typically procedures that they follow regarding incident reports, discussing things with the teaching team, and making counselors and admin aware of the situation. I've seen student schedules changed, teachers keeping a subtle eye on the situation and not letting the victim out of site, creating extra work for the bullies to keep them busy, etc. If violence breaks out, then the police are called and the attacker now has a record, suspension, or expulsion.

At the OP:
Going with Kid A on the slopes could be a good idea, and too late to sign up shouldn't be a real problem unless it's bussing logistics or the like. Just approach the teacher in charge for that trip, explain the circumstances, and see what happens. However, this won't help the long term. You should report what you see happening.

It's adrenaline that gets pumped through your veins during fights, which is why you feel pain less and your muscles can use up all their potential energy without as much feedback giving the illusion of a person being "stronger than usual". That's not the case, you're just as strong as ever, just using your full potential.

Being a practitioner of martial arts, I can say that while anger might be useful, it makes your lose control. Try to stay calm and use your brain in a fight. You don't have to exert that much pressure if you're aiming for a sensitive or vulnerable body part.

The reasoned why one should be atleast a little in-tune with basic self defense is because when there's more than 3 opponents, it's gets incredibly tough to fight. Up to 3 people is the limit I can handle, beyond that; I'd probably run..

I knew someone who was being bullied in school. The bullying was reported, but nothing was done....until the day the bully was sent to the hospital. Surprise, surprise - unbeknownst to several teachers, the whole situation was doucmented and they got canned. The school system became a lot more proactive. It pays to first report before resorting to pushing back.

Personally I think being angry is better than being calm. Anger just makes you feel stronger/tougher/faster, you may not think clearly, but imo its just more useful and a great motivater/fuel being calm just isnt as useful in the situation, besides a calm person dosent have the sae "holy [censored] he is insane" effect. I have seen angry people need several people to restrain him, if he was calm 1 or 2 would be enough.

Different strokes for different folks. I'd rather finish a fight off in one or two well-placed hits rather than have it drag on with both people taking punishment.. I understand your perspective though. An angry person is definitely more intimidating.

Even if the OP did consider beating up the bully, in the end this isn't about him but rather about Kid A. Sure beating up the bully will work as long as the OP is around to protect him, but the bully's just going to want to pick on Kid A more now that they know he needs to get his friends to do his fighting for him. The way to solve this would be to convince Kid A to do it, but even if he agreed to it (and it doesn't sound like he would), once they got in trouble for the fight the OP would probably get ratted out when Kid A tries to pass the blame onto him. I'm not saying fighting does or doesn't solve problems, but it doesn't seem like a very good solution to this particular issue.

Convince bullied kid to join boxing, MMA, judo, etc. Then get him to defend himself.

You need better friends.
Friend A is an immature, whiny, arrogant brat from your description. Friend C is an opportunist, from your descriptions. Friend B is an [censored], who only seems to understand things when he's being beaten upside the head, from your description. Why are you friends?

Solution: Stay the hell out of it. By taking our your pent up aggression on friend B by reporting his and friend C's upcoming hijinks, you not only enable Friend A to continune his aggravating [censored]ery, you also inadvertently involve yourself. Now, if friend A were getting the holy crap beat out of him on a daily basis, I would understand reporting it.
But he's not. If someone put food in my hair, I'd cold [censored] them upside the head. If they repeated what I said in a high falsetto, I'd string them along and all of a sudden start saying things that reflect badly on them when reapeated, like "my genitalia is undersized"....etc.
Friend A is also capable of saying "Please continue, my good sir." since he's apparently capable of arguing scientific points.
But see, this is what gets me:, Friends B and C made plans to ski ahead of friend A. Why is Friend A not with a partner? HMMMMMM. Points to perhaps a defeciency in social skills? Friend A is that annoying kind of kid that just doesn't get it, and tags along to irritate and annoy, in the hopes he will get his way. People like that make a life out of being a victim, figuring someone will always come along to rescue them, crying foul when things don't go their way.
So, do what you want to do for your team building event, focus on your life, and move on from people who's constant stupidity will only drag you down. You can tell friend B that what he's planning to do isn't cool, and that he could be liable for injuries friend A sustains as a result of skiiing accident. Friend C is that lovely kind of dodobird that goes along with what the stronger side wants. If he's capable of selling out Friend A, he's capable of selling out YOU.
Harsh, I know.

Work on finding new friends. X, Y and Z.

I've found Muay Thai / Kickboxing is the most useful in a street fight.

Edit: Except with a different stance. The traditional Muay Thai stance leaves your torso wide open for attack.

Thing is, there are always going to be bullies. They will take out their insecurites on weaker kids.
Or who they assume to be weaker kids. One has to stand up for themeselves before they can expect other people to stand up for them.
There's also a trend with anti-bullying, where kids who lack social skills report kids for bullying them when the kid "bullied" simply doesn't get his way.
This is a direct effect of "YOU GO PLAY WITH MY DARLING JIMMY ANYWAY". Even if darling Jimmy picks his nose, eats it, and won't let anyone be kickball captain but him.
Usually when other kids refuse to play with a kid, there's a damn good reason.

I've found that the difference with kids who are bullied and those who bully is that the latter found their opportunity, and the former haven't realized the opportunity exists.
Both groups have horrendous social skills.




OK, let me tell you a story.
There was this kid, who liked to bully people. He hit kids at school, cried when things went against him, pushed, shoved, socked, punched, tripped, slammed doors, and the school tried to expel him. He lost recess, got time outs, field trips, got extra penance, there were meetings, ideas implemented, nothing stopped this kid. HItting or fighting was a suspendable offense, this kid was often in ISSP. The kids collected thier lunch money and paid a larger kid to beat him up. I got wind of it, and reported it to the rest of the faculty. The descion was made to isolate the kid. The entire class signed a petition.
Next year, he came back, new class, started up his crap.
Until one day, a little girl , much smaller than him, on a swing didn't cotton to the idea of him pulling her off of it, so he could swing. He didn't feel like waiting his turn.
She beat the holy living crap out of him, and we teachers walked over. After she was done, we escorted them both to the office.
End result: No punishment for her, he got suspension.
His parents raised hell, until the principal pulled out a file detailing each and every student he'd assaulted.
The little girl, on the other hand, was an honor student with a clean record.
He was not allowed to finish out the year, and instead, went to another school,
Where I hear, from kid graqevine , he's not the top dog.
Moral of the story, stand up for yourself. Plain and simple.

I hear kickboxing isnt that great and makes people cocky meaning they get beat up more often.

Maybe the bullied kid hasnt got social skills because he has a bully completely destroying them. Bullying [censored]s your self esteem, makes you bitter and paranoid.

Maybe he hasn't got social skills because his mommy and daddy didn't take him out for playdates or make sure he was educated in terms of socialization.
Education your child is NOT limited to reading and mathematics. Kids need to learn how to get along, how to express themselves and resolve issueswhen they have conflicts, and to do with words, instead of fists.
Instead, we have people insisting that their child is an angel, that their child must be included in all activities, that everyone else has a problem with their child because they are all against him, etc etc. That kind of attitude only enables bullying, instead, they should ask the kids, like we do. "Why does no one want to play with you?"
Children can be remarkably honest, and will tell another child straight up why. It is difficult for parents to realize thier childrens shortcomings, as a parent I know this.
But as an effective parent, you must, and you must give your child the skills to resolve it. Otherwise, you fail.


Was I bullied? NO
I'd experienced far worse things as a child than I care to discuss, I damn for sure wasn't going to let some KID make what I took from life a misery.

This is not survival of the fittest. Bullies are bullies because they want to seem big and strong so they pick on weaker, smaller people. Some people just don't have the courage to stand up to them, or the strength, and shouldn't be belittled because of it. The people that see someone picking on the weaker ones should stand up for the weaker ones and defend them, not belittle them even more. Sorry mama, I don't agree with you on this one. Not everyone has the balls to stand up for themselves when picked on.

I know your a teacher so this could be your students. But if you were that little girl who beat the kid up then you are awesome.
Personally I have no issue letting them pay a guy to beat the other kid up, its good to stand up for yourself, but some people just cant. Well they can, but they will just get the crap beat out of them.
So lesson not learned.


True, bullying is a mix of things, bad parenting on both ends. My parents always said "tell a teacher" that didnt solve anything, and I doubt they are alone, thats one problem, because thats basically saying "ignore it hope the school gives a damn". Second you cant teach people to get along. No matter what someone will hate you. No reason for it,maybe not one they know about, but they will.

In this case, it appears that they are both chumps. Just let nature take it's course.

If you've REALLY got to do something about it, tell Kid A to stop being such a [censored] and Kid B to stop acting like such a target.

As a fighting style, I think it's pretty apt. Now whether a person becomes cocky as a result of learning it is a flaw in the persons own psyche, not the fighting style.

Not to be preachy or anything, but violence is rarely useful in situations like these. Standing up for yourself is good, but that doesn't necessarily mean you have to do it with physical violence.

You could tell the teacher in charge of the field trip to watch out for the kid being douchey. Then when the teacher sees it they will bring it up to the counselors, distancing you from the situation, in theory.

All of you guys should have an epic dance-off. It's the only way.

There's this show called Bully Beatdown....

There are three options here:

Option 1: Get involved directly by talking to, or threatening/fighting the bully.
Option 2: Get advlts involved, be it parents or the school's staff.
Option 3: Do nothing and let the kids figure it out for themselves.

In my personal opinion, options 1 and 2 would work the best, obviously option 2 would be the better choice though. Option 3 could work, but it would more than likely cause the smaller kid more harm than good.

not everyone is built to fight or protect theirself, and the situation could have been resolved by expelling him when they initially were going to

If you're a foot taller than other kids in school and have already beaten the bully up once you have nothing to fear. Report him to the school officials and tell them what he plans to do on the ski trip. The little kid may not be your friend, but no one deserves to be made miserable at school and I applaud you for taking the time to even consider doing something about it (especially since you really don't care for him).

Thats when I throw things out like, "That's not cool" or sarcastically "maybe we should just make fun of him?" to let people know I don't condone it. Its been awkward for me at times, but I used to bully people until things like that were said.

Or it'll likely happen to him again and he'll wait for someone else to save him.