It's just from personal experience, although it isn't true about all women, I've seen it a lot.



You make a good point about the luxury thing, so I guess there is proof that he does care for his Legion and not only himself. I can't say that I agree with the assimilation thing; I just don't see any good in that. The NCR does the same thing, and that is one of the reasons why I don't like the NCR either. The cannibalism is bad, but I don't see that as too big of a problem, I mean if the people are already dead and you need to eat something to survive... :whistling: The Enclave has done worse... much worse if you ask me.

With house, you're an employee. No go do what he's paying you to do.
With NCR, you're a military contractor. Now Shut The [censored] Up and go carry out the orders you've been given.
With Eddie, you're a traitor to the entirety of human civilization. Struggle if you will, but you'll either do things his way do end up a corpse.

ADDENDUM: Cute brand of acronym censorship there, Bethesda. Come now, we're discussing a game where the character can have a lisbian domination encounter with a ghoul cowgirl in a seedy brothel. Lighten up.

Not really, House only gets pissed if you A. Threaten to kill him, and B. Say you won't give him the Platinum Chip, which is justified seeing as he's waited over 200 years, and spent likely millions if not billions developing the Platinum Chip. Caesar is just a classic case of King Baby, and NCR, well, I don't even care about NCR anymore.

oh how i have missed this forum

caesar pwns

'nuff said

You, someone who has said that anybody who supports the Legion is scum, are telling somebody to lighten up about a video game?
Irony much?

I'm a traitor because I'm choosing to help with what I think is good for humanity? Do you want to explain why you think I'm a traitor to the human race other than HERP DERP EDDIE'S A JERK. This needs to be made into a full length Christmas poem

Well, all of his other atrocities aside, presuming you are a woman (this is the internet, who knows), if you were really in his empire, you wouldn't be allowed to sit in his tent and admire his sixy greatness and laid-back, lord-like ways- you would be barefoot and pregnant in some breeding camp, or cooking and cleaning soldiers quarters and washing their skirts and jockstraps in a tub from can see to can't see, or lugging one of those 100-pound cargo packs up the bluffs in his camp until you collapsed from exhaustion and untreated disease and were tossed off a cliff for the buzzards (after being casually 'used' a few more times by the legionaries, just for good measure). Welcome to Caesar's wonderful world for women. Huzzah! Forget about all those realities somehow, whilst admiring his holiness from afar?

If you need an explanation as to why Eddie's BS fantasy is bad for everyone not interested into being enslaved and/or forced into bearing children, there's no point in attempting to do so. To put it into game perspective, you may feel fine being treated as a piece of childbearing meat, but I'm pretty sure Cass, Veronica, and every other female character in the game wouldn't. Then again, most of them would end up either crucified or tied down a r@ped to death, so you must be okay with that.

The legion is far from good for humanity. At all. In any way for form. I'm right, you're wrong. Deal with it.

Oh, she's fine! She's got her senatorial domination fantasy and thinks that women should be like her and "know their place for the good of the state." All the other women should have just shut up and bent over! It's their place in life!

Oh I'm not just into women knowing their place, men too for sure! :wink_smile: Male slaves are treated the same as female with the exception of pregnancy, they probably have to do much harder labor as well. I'm sure there are new soldiers who weren't born into the Legion are afraid of going to war as well, and they get beaten too, just like the slaves do! Check out Mr. Fox, he was punished and nearly executed for not obeying orders even when his disobedience was helpful. If any member of the collective chooses not to live for the Legion, they will die by it.

Primitive healthcare? He has an auto-doc by his bed! For someone who has established the Legion on a open disdain for technology, its a little hypocritical to then have your own personal auto-doc.

As for the 'messed up' things...surely cannibalism and murder of innocent women and children are a little too big to be overlooked. And a comparison with various Enclave misdeeds is not a defence.

However, I do have to hand it to you in your continued defence of Caesar, even when the topic veers into territory that is all but indefensible. I generally disagree with almost everything you say, from justifying atrocities in the name of a theoretical better future, to continual sugarcoating of highly unpleasant facts when it suits...but I have to hand it to you, you have not wavered in your defence. And I salute that.

Mhmm. This is a very common way of life on much of the planet. At least in insect colonies. Anyone who enjoys freedom and the right to live their life the way *they* choose, will come after them with a big can of RAID.

Hitler Ate Sugar isn't a reasonable argument And I have yet to meet a woman who likes somebody specifically because he's a jerk- more often, he's only a jerk to everybody else. Women like people who impress them based on their values, in my experience.

I like Caesar as a character. He's the ultimate example of badass ambition, yet manages to be laid back and personable, whether it's a trick or not. I'm not saying he doesn't allow/do some seriously messed up things, but you'd be hard pressed to find someone in the Mojave who does not have a bad side. Supporting Caesar depends on what you personally consider to be the greatest sin, and what you consider to be the highest honor.

I appreciate the Legion because I think it's methods have a prayer in hell of avoiding another nuclear apocalypse 1,000 years down the line. That's the line I don't think many people are looking at. The society of the Old World directly led to the Great War, and repeating the past like the NCR, the Followers, the Enclave, & even Mr. House are doing is only going to lead to the same end. The definition of insanity is repeating something without changing the parameters and expecting a different result.

That said, I am a firm Independent supporter for the time being.

-Nukeknockout

Well, the auto-doc was broken IIRC, and besides, Caesar's death by disease or another medical condition would really cripple Legion moral, and possibly destabilize the Legion as a whole. "How can the son of Mars be killed by some illness?" would be the question asked by many members of the Legion if he suddenly died from sickness.

Although I don't agree with it, Caesar's disdain for technology can also be seen as his attempt at creating a better future for the world. I mean it was technology that destroyed the world, right?



Can't tell if sarcastic, or just closed-minded :confused: ...just because someone else doesn't agree with you doesn't mean they are a traitor to the entirety of human civilization.



http://campaign2012.washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/beltway-confidential/crucified-santa-display-gone-now/241806 :tongue:

Yeah, it was broken. But he still used it, all it needed was someone to fetch the broken component. Which is where the Courier comes in. Be that as it may, the strength of a society should not depend on one man's leadership. This is what the Legion is, a fascist dictatorship which has one all supreme leader as its figurehead. Remove him, and it crumbles.



Hmm no, it was man that destroyed the world, not technology. Technology was just the means used to achieve it. If a guy shoots someone dead, you don't blame the gun, do you?

It was man/man's greed ect. that caused the great war, but if people didn't invent nukes there couldn't have been a great war. In other words if people are kept from advancing technologically (like in the Legion) then they can't screw [censored] up too bad. Again I disagree with this, but Caesar does have a point.

The only real point he has, is on the spears he's so viscously ramming up everyone's bum who gets in his way.

As somebody else stated, it's broken, and he has some random Courier, with no real medical training, diagnose him. And yeah the auto-doc, totally hypocritical.

No it's not a defense, and I do find it upsetting, my only consolation for these deeds is that "everybody else is doing it!" But you're right, it's totally wrong.

I don't sugarcoat! I just calls it like I sees it. I don't lie, and I correct even other Legion followers when they try to do what you accuse me of! And thank you, I am amazing. I glad somebody has finally recognized it. :hugs:

@Smokeyman,
You offer no real argument at all, you're trying to be a troll and you're doing an awful job. So either try harder or stop or you know, say something remotely intelligent. I want to say that the things you write are offensive, but I won't even give you the satisfaction, because your insults are pathetic. If you're going to insult, use facts, don't just spout out generic crap.

I've played the game, you've played the game, we all know just what the legion does to people, under Caesar's direct command. My posts have quite directly and eloquently pointed these things out, nothing more, nothing less. I'm sorry if your love for Eddie prevents you from being able to listen to these facts without feeling personally insulted, but there's no accounting for how some people will react, I guess. I've simply described what actually happens in the game, like it or not.

ok wait, you trade freedom of choice/slavery/six slave for life, over the possibility of serving in the armed forces on a front line? Is serving in the NCR army even mandatory?

you don't need nukes to destroy a nation or to kill it. This is proof of Vietnam, WW1 and in WW2 (atomic bombs at the end of the war, the entire war began with tactics and slaughtering others). Trust me, Caesar's Legion has some nice motives, but if you look within the scope of the future and see the whats beyond that road, is just another failure.

If it was it'd be a military nation. Plus you see NCR citizens on vacation in the Strip too. It's probably just like America, IE Civilians, politicians, and military.

And the Legion is going to be around for the rest of the human history to ensure technology can never advance again (setting aside for the moment how awful an attitude that truly is)? Or is it simply their presence, however long it lasts, that's going to set human history on a different trajectory for all eternity that ensures that weapons of mass destruction will never be created again? Yeah probably not. This argument that the Legion will prevent another Great War gets even more unbelievable when you realize that the Legion is responsible for one of the few radiological attacks since the Great War at Camp Searchlight.

Because he dresses up like Europe's favorite celebrity.