So well spoken and eloquent...you know, what you would expect of a Caesar obsessed Brit.

Read it Legion lovers, read it and shed manly tears of joy!

http://ttotheaffy.tumblr.com/post/13764005408/people-who-like-caesar-tell-me-why-you-like-caesar

Most famous criminals/murderers have their fans and people who would jump their bones/marry them/generally swoon over them at the drop of a hat. It's a bizarre but apparently common mental ailment behavior. As for this comment:

"He’s not sitting back and adapting, he’s reshaping it and making it better which is admirable."

You will find great disagreement here and anywhere over whether his barbaric atrocities against humanity could remotely be called admirable, or in any way making anything 'better'. An interesting motto for his Legion-style progress would be- "Improving humanity's lot, one crucifixion, [censored R-word] and enslavement at a time!"

Better... mmm, k.

I like Caesar's Legion because of how much of an interesting faction it is. A man held prisoner in a village of a tribe that was going to be wiped out making an empire that spans four states is probably the best rags to richs story I have ever heard. When i get bored I go on the wiki and re-read that story because it is just so badass.

The person who wrote this is right, Caesar is not cliche, is very laid back, and is very charismatic. He is a great character and one of the main reasons I like the Legion.

Maybe I should start signing my posts, how about:

-Death to the NCR

/rolleyes

Oh look. Another one. "The man's admirable! really! It's not like leading a horde of half-literate rpaists, murderers and slavers seeking to drag humanity back into the dark ages because he read about it in a book! Really! You just don't understand his genius!"

LEAVE CAESAR ALONE

Must be the armor. Or domination fantasies.

It's okay to oppress women, destroy cities, mass murder people just getting on with their lives if you have are otherwise a "nice guy"?


I suppose the author expects that to be a dictator you must be some megalomaniac in-the-ivory-tower kind of guy who shoots people for the sake of it. But oh no, dictators are charming and "adorable" because that's the reason all those poor smucks follow his ideals no matter how gruesome. Everyone's Favorite Fascist Dictator was a very nice man in person, loved animals and remembered everyones' birthdays.. but that doesn't change that the world is much, much better off without him as anyone with a brain can agree.

I'm sure Mussolini was nice too.

I see the Legion as being an interesting faction because of Caesar's unique approach to rebuilding the world. He wants to start over, first establishing total safety over the land that he controls, and eventually have Legion society move foward to a point where they are considered "civilized." In a sense he wants to destroy the past, brainwashing humanity into a new era, where everyone is ignorant to the past and only focused on the present and future.

Maybe Caesar hopes that this plan will eventually form a new "civilized" society without corruption and greed (in other words a society supperior to that of the NCR).

I disagree. I don't think the Legion will end up being supperior to anyone because of their ignorance. I believe that their ignorance will only put them on a course to repeat mistakes of the past and continue to be cruel and violent for many more years.

I think that House's plan for the advancement of civilization makes much more sense. Instead of erasing the past, House wants to build off of it. Bringing back technology to keep order, while still letting people be relatively free.

So why wouldn't Caesar see this if he is such a great visionary? Because he is a dictator. He wants all the power for himself, he wants to assimilate different groups of people to force his vision of perfection on them. (just like the NCR) What Caesar is doing is destroying; he is destroying people, cultures, technology, and knowledge all for the purpose of creating his own society that he is in total control over.
Sounds like a selfish dictator to me, he may be charismatic, but when you look at what he has created, his selfishness and obsession with power cannot be denied.

Lol that's a good joke! Wait, you're serious? Edward is the most easy to anger person in the game. Refuse to do as he says? He threatens you with death if you refuse again. He's a manchild who gets pissy when he doesn't get his way.

I've found that a Riot Shotgun loaded with magnum shells provides the needed attitude readjustment quite well.

This makes me think about the age old question.. Why do women love men that are total jerks? Jerks is the worst word I can think of at the moment that will not get censored.

I guess it has something to do with powerful men and uniforms :shrug:

Caesar holds attraction for people because he is the emobodiment of achievement through pure force of will. The article does more than just discuss his personal charisma, it also discusses his achievements. I also don't believe that he is like the guy with the little mo, whom the world rightly despises. He is the Alexander of his day. There is no evidence that suggests he is motivated purely by self interest, in fact the conversations that you have with him indicate the complete opposite. The only thing that I agree with from the anti-Caesar posts is that his view on women needs to change, but overall....

True to Caesar!

You know, Hitler was doing humanity a favor too, well, at least according to him he was. So was Stalin, and countless Roman dictators.

Point in short, people tend to warp things in their mind. Caesar preaches he is progressive, but seeing as he completely pisses away modern technology for tribal gear, shuns medical tools (Aside from his personal autodoc because he's the leader, it's okay if HE breaks his doctrine right? :spotted owl: )

The Legion is a case of good intentions gone bad. His legion is a wave of brainwashed chimps who can't see beyond their loyalty to Caesar to the point were I'm surprised their language isn't 'Caesar Caesar Caesar?' 'Caesar, Caesar!' Besides, it's obvious the legion doesnt believe in the Legion, if it did, it's say 'True to The Legion'. It's so blindly rooted in Caesar that even Caesar can't see past his bloody ego. :shrug:

Don't be insulting to Alexander.

Out of a billion playthroughs,I've sided with caesar twice. I feel evil

Cheers

But when he did threaten you he didn't seem angry, he spoke evenly (note my memory is [censored] and this was a year ago, if I am wrong I apologize) which makes him seem pretty laid back.

He says that he doesn't really like Caesar based on his beliefs... he just likes the character. Not everybody debates the morality of the Legion and the NCR and House. Not everybody takes this game as seriously as to type arguments on a video game forum. It's obvious that the guy is somewhat passionate about the game, but he doesn't take it as seriously as most of the people here. Caesar is my favourite character, and I feel absolutely no obligation to answer why, other than he's a chilled out bro.

Boom, calm down.

Mr. House does the same, and you can't even deny the NCR. I don't remember that even being a dialogue option.

He is not a total jerk! He's smart, and charismatic, and powerful, has a strong will, is adorable, he knows what he's doing, and is old fashioned and cares about my kind not being killed in the front lines (for the most part anyways). How can women NOT like a guy like Caesar?

I don't think I've gone through a playthrough without killing Caesar...or the Legionnaires at Nipton.

I'd have to agree with Styles on this one. Women like jerks. You say that he is powerful and that he has a strong will, and while those are admirable characteristics, they are characteristics that he shares with people aren't so admirable. Hitler is a prime example. He was powerful and strong willed, but you probably don't like him very much. You might say that Caesar isn't as bad as Hitler, and while that may be true, he still does some messed up [censored].

To quote myself from earlier:


I just don't see how he is still so well liked when you look at what he is doing, unless there's something you see about what he's doing that I'm missing. If so I'd be interested to hear it.

Neither Crocker or Moore will threaten you will death if you refuse, Moore might get pissed, but I don't remember. Crocker I think sighs or something when you refuse or mess up.

when you gain 5 lbs in each butt cheek and wind up carrying one of those mule packs up and down that hill to the compound then you will understand.

Chicks are easy to dupe. A guy says he wants to help...the woman thinks he wants to help her...in reality he wants to help himself.

Tyrants don't love other people...they love themselves...they will tolerate you and your love...for awhile.

Caesar is just a fancy thug whom I kill in every playthru....I also kill house. (love his message but hate him as a messenger)

:lol: that is funny.

What a gross generalisation.

Reading your self quote...I don't see what's wrong with that. I find what he does admirable. Combining many different groups and making them one cohesive family unit. I wouldn't call him selfish either. Somebody with that much manpower could really be living in the lap of luxury, but the only luxury Caesar really affords himself is a bed and some primitive healthcare. I agree that he's obsessed with power, but so are Mr. House, the Courier, and the NCR leaders.

The only really "messed up" things that Caesar has done are allow cannibalism and allow campaigns in which women and children are killed, Enclave has done worse. :shrug: