Surprisingly, I completely agree with your post. I would normally argue that the new system is better because it removes the useless gameplay aspect of major/minor specializations tied into classes. However, I do agree that I really don't care either way, as I can play the game in any number of ways with classes, without classes, with 8 attributes, with 3 attributes, etc. I really just don't need a certain organization of the RPG stats to make me able to enjoy an RPG. What I need is a game that works, and has stats that properly represent my gameplay choices and give me a proper roleplaying experience. How all of that is presented is honestly just irrelevant, imo.

I have a solution for.

1. Write down all 18 skills in 3 columns based on class.

2. Write down however many classes you want to choose from.

3. Make several copies for later playthroughs.

4. When creating your character, circle the skills you want to be your major skills in red, and minor skills in red.

5. Circle which class you want to be.

There, now you can enjoy choosing skills and a class. As for me? I will enjoy not being forced to restrict myself to a certain path before I even start play the game.

I love all the es games. Have played all of them to completion several times. By all I mean Arena, Battlespire, Daggerfall, Morrowind, Oblivion. And will certainly get and Skyrim. The es games are the best sandbox games around.

But in everysingle one of those games you got to think about the character you wanted to play and then to identify the skills you wanted to be your major, minor.
and so on. Also could pick whether you were primarily a Fighter, a Mage, or t stealth type.

My undestanding is that this has been pretty much stripped out of Skyrim . Sure you will have skills, and can decided for yourself what you are going to do, and the game then tracks them. But no real choices until you are actually playing.

One of the things that has been the most fun for me in the es games is that initial character creating. You think, then you pick, then
you start the game.

If that is not there, even if the game does have skills and perks that you pick up or increase along the way, character creation at the start is basically gone.

The lLast time around it was level scaling that was too rigid that everyone hated. This time it is going to be the character creation. WHy does Bethesda always start with the great magic sandbox formula and then somewho manage to mess part of it up?

Bah!!!

I certainly agree with this. It's like the armour thing. Do I lament the loss of a slot? Of course, as a design decision. Will I give a damn if the whole package is both fun, and interesting to play, and there is a bit of depth behind the beginner friendly ideas? Of course not. Same with classes, but then I never buy into this "an rpg should be this..." mentality. If it works, it works.

I respectfully disagree.

With the OP or us nay sayers?

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So when I created a character, picked the skills, started playing, and found out that character wasn't what I really wanted and I had to trash it and start over again was somehow supposed to be more fun than creating a character, starting to play, and having the way I play build the character to suit my playing style and being able to keep going with my original character?

I'm looking forward to seeing how the new system works, actually.

I love all the es games. Have played all of them to completion several times. By all I mean Arena, Battlespire, Daggerfall, Morrowind, Oblivion. And will certainly get and Skyrim. The es games are the best sandbox games around.

But in everysingle one of those games you got to think about the character you wanted to play and then to identify the skills you wanted to be your major, minor.
and so on. Also could pick whether you were primarily a Fighter, a Mage, or t stealth type.

My undestanding is that this has been pretty much stripped out of Skyrim . Sure you will have skills, and can decided for yourself what you are going to do, and the game then tracks them. But no real choices until you are actually playing.

One of the things that has been the most fun for me in the es games is that initial character creating. You think, then you pick, then
you start the game.

If that is not there, even if the game does have skills and perks that you pick up or increase along the way, character creation at the start is basically gone.

The lLast time around it was level scaling that was too rigid that everyone hated. This time it is going to be the character creation. WHy does Bethesda always start with the great magic sandbox formula and then somewho manage to mess part of it up?

Bah!!!

I think you need comprehension class. Or maybe your just hype blind.
Take a breath reread, anolyse whats been given in the interviews until now. Try it, honestly, just once.
I don t hope you ll succeed, because when we are in a hype state we want to be blind.
I ve been there before.

So when I created a character, picked the skills, started playing, and found out that character wasn't what I really wanted and I had to trash it and start over again was somehow supposed to be more fun than creating a character, starting to play, and having the way I play build the character to suit my playing style and being able to keep going with my original character?

I'm looking forward to seeing how the new system works, actually.

Actually, YES. Creating characters was half the fun. Now that has been removed and everything is simplified to the point that there is no replay value. One character is all anyone is going to need.

If it's not broken, don't screw with it.

Actually, YES. Creating characters was half the fun. Now that has been removed and everything is simplified to the point that there is no replay value. One character is all anyone is going to need.

If it's not broken, don't screw with it.

One character is all anyone is going to need.