ScriptName TestScriptNameshort MyVarBegin GameModeSet MyVar to GetEquippedIf GetEquipped Minigun == 0 Player.removeitem Myvar 1 1 player.additem Minigun 1 1 player.equipitem Minigun 1 1EndIFEnd

Is this possible? Storing the current equiped weapon in a variable and use it like this?

You need to use a "ref" variable in order to store a formID like this. Rather than http://geck.gamesas.com/index.php/GetEquipped, you'll want to use FOSE's http://fose.silverlock.org/fose_command_doc.html#GetEquippedObject.

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Bummer. I was hoping to avoid FOSE. Whats the difference between the two? Because I would like to use FOSE as little as possible.

For what you SEEM to want to do, I wouldn't think you need FOSE, it would be like...

ScriptName TestScriptNameBegin GameModeIf playerref.GetEquipped WeapMinigun == 0   player.additem Minigun 1 1   player.equipitem Minigun 1 1EndIFEnd

Now if you need that variable for some reason, I couldn't tell you .. but for just getting that job done that I saw in your code, I think you'd be set.

If you actually need to steal the item the player is holding... that actual item, seriously steal it.. that is not possible in the regular scripting setup. You will at best get to steal one, assuming you know what it is or take a lengthy process to figure it out, and if the player happens to have 2, it will pick whichever one it feels like snatching.

The difference? http://geck.gamesas.com/index.php/GetEquipped is a condition function that tells you if a reference has an item (passed as a parameter) equipped, whereas FOSE's http://fose.silverlock.org/fose_command_doc.html#GetEquippedObject returns the formID of the item equipped in a certain biped slot. While they're both related to equipment, their uses are completely unrelated.

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Thanks guys I understand why I need to use FOSE now

And Tarrant, that was just a not thought out example The point was about storing the Current Equipped in a variable. And using it as a parameter.

aha okay. Yeah.

There are clearly some things which require it, and I feel that in a sense, it tries to even the playing field a little in that we as modders do not have access to the .exe itself (but the game developers do). I don't criticise anyone who uses it.

But. I've designed Phalanx without FOSE and I've found workarounds for many, many things. I feel like I understand the game's nature and limitations better for not having used FOSE. By not using it, I feel like I have really learned how to wrestle the game to get it to do what I want it to do, despite some script commands seeming to be missing. I doubt I will ever use FOSE now, understanding this.

All of my mods thus far haven't used FOSE, but to make this mod compatible with mods that add Big Guns I needed to check if the current Equipped weapon was a Big Gun. And that's not possible without FOSE.

Sure, I could use form lists, but then I would need to create patches for the DLC which adds Big Guns, maybe some optional patches for FOOK, 20th Century, so this would allow me to make this a lot easier

The mod I'm talking about is my nearly finished Strength Requirements For Big Guns mod.

Ah okay.

I was experimenting with http://geck.gamesas.com/index.php/GetIsUsedItemEquipType in the past, but it's not well documented. I do not use it right now for anything. One of the equip types may be big gun. But I'm honestly not trying to talk you out of FOSE. It just that I do sometimes see people using FOSE for stuff that I know can be done without it. In this case if you're really pushing the mod-added-weapon compatibility point, I think it would either have to be http://geck.gamesas.com/index.php/GetIsUsedItemEquipType, if it works, or FOSE.

Thanks for the function. I didn't know about that one. It should indeed work without FOSE with that command. One of the equip types is indeed Big Guns. According to this page: http://geck.gamesas.com/index.php/Equip_Type

I myself use 20th Century weapons because of the Big Guns. So I would have to make a compatiblity patch for that. FOOK. Achorage for the Missile Launcher in the sim. Broken Steel. Classic Fallout Weapons. FWE. A heck of a lot of mods. So far, all my game tweaks have been compatible with all mods, so I would like to keep that

I recently tried to use GetIsUsedItemEquipType to check for the equipped weapon, and it did not work with SmallGuns, so I assume its the same for BigGuns.

Crap. Double crap. That would mean that I still need to use FOSE. I will first try it out myself however. Not saying I don't believ you, just to be sure

I recall having trouble with this function. It could indeed be that it cannot work for this, or it's a broken function. But yeah if you make that work for this, I'd be real interested in seeing the method on it.

Yep testing it again won't hurt.

Another idea on how to implement the strenght requirement (also requires FOSE though) would be to go away from the weapon skill type and instead use the weapon weight together with whether the weapon is 1 or 2handed (getWeaponType). So just as a random example, with a str of 7 you can carry 1 handed weapons with a weight up to 15 and 2 handed weapons with a weight up to 30.

Tarrant, might I ask how you did this? Because this should be the FOSE-free answer.

Schlangster: Might be nice, but I'm sure there are weapons that are over 15 lbs and not a Big Gun. Not vanilla ones, but modded ones.

Formlists.

Every gun of every type and range is sorted into a formlist.

The basic logic - quest script that runs every 3 seconds

if FollowerREF.GetEquipped VanillaBigGunLIST	 if FollowerREF.getav BigGuns < 30		  FollowerREF.cios EffectToDealWithInappropriateWeaponBeingEquipped	 endifendif

The guts are far, far more involved than just this little piece of code, but this is the base of it.

Ah crap. I really had hoped you wouldn't say that. Yes, I thought about Form Lists, but like I said earlier, I would have to create CPs for atleast the DLCs. I think I'll upload two versions. None-FOSE with CPs for DLC, and FOSE version for compatibilty with every mod out there.

Also, GetIsUsedItemEquipType did not work for me. I checked if the player had equipped a Big Gun and I would give the player a minigun if it was true. I should be spammed with miniguns, but that wasn't the case.

Also Tarrant, I assume you can't give your followers DLC weapons? Because I plan to use your mod. Just haven't gotten around to it yet.

It's automatically compatible with all possible weapons. You can give a follower any weapon you feel like. My weapon selection system defaults to allow weapons that it does not recognize. Compatibility is not the same as integration, however.

As of the last release, it has integration for the Broken Steel weapons (as there is a required Broken Steel compatibility module anyway). Followers use the Broken Steel weapons more or less properly. But, I'm finishing up a redesign on that whole system right now. The next version coming out (1.09) handles the Broken Steel weapons even better, and, the new internal arrangement will allow me to add integration for all DLCs as well as notable weapon overhaul mods. 1.09 won't actually have all of the DLC weapons integrated, but I can work on that later, for perhaps a 1.10 release - but that will be after all of the FOOK work is done. The 1.09 is the base form which will be redesigned even further and popped into FOOK for its next release.

Ok. Nice to know. So should I wait for the upgrade before I DL your mod? I ahven't have that much time to play nowadays anyway. Only for playtesting.

I Have started on the non-FOSE version. The FOSE works already.

Hard to say. From a time standpoint, I'd wait, since you'd be doing two back-to-back downloads and installs otherwise. But the 1.08 Phalanx isn't like, a piece of [censored] or anything.



Coolz.

Ok, had a first test round. It unequips. Works okay. I equip it again. It stays equiped. What the heck? Turns out my PA was bumping my Strength to 7. Does anybody know a way to really only get the Base AV? Without any modifications?

The next question is, are you sure that's what you want to do?

Power armor gives you a strength bonus in both FO3 and FO2 I believe? In Fallout 2, power armor probably contributed to your ability to equip Big Guns?

Indeed it did. It doesn't matter for this mod, Buffout in FO1/2 also helped your efficiency with Big Guns, but I would like to know this for my Skill Cap mod where my mod essentialy deletes skills under the cap. Lower your SPECIAls and you lower your cap. There's a bit of a problem right

i dont have geck access right now, but isn't there one of getPermAV, getBaseAV and getAV that does what you want?

Thank you! I didn't know about the getPermAV. That is what I was lookin for. Thank you very much!