this is the end : V - Skyrim

» Wed Dec 14, 2011 4:56 pm

So if you guys are impressed by Skyrim, i feel sorry for you and no matter what crap pepeol will give you, it doesnt matter because you enjoy fast food games.

From a fans of TES ( Daggerfalls, Morrowind, Oblivion)

I like OB and SK, so what does that make me? Honestly, no one gives a [censored] about your opinion and you won't change anyone's about the game, so this thread is useless. If you don't like it, quit playing till mods come out or just don't touch the game again. /thread

» Wed Dec 14, 2011 8:50 pm

I basically read:

I don't want to be able to change my character's class/birthsign after chargen, and therefore noone should.
The game is being dumbed down like hell, but there's also waaaay too much stuff I don't use in the game like woodcutting and cooking, so that needs to go.
I don't have any choice anymore. Skyrim is a single player platform game. Everyone knows this.

» Wed Dec 14, 2011 6:49 pm

While I agree they have really dumbed down TES to a shadow of itself in terms of gameplay and depth, I don't know how you can just come to this conclusion now after playing Oblivion. If anything Skyrim feels like a slight step up from Oblivion in lore and depth (not mechanics of course).

Another thing to think about is audience.

When Daggerfall came out, the average computer game player was a young male of well above average intelligence (nerds), with Morrowind that group was older but also shrinking in intelligence as more people were starting to get into PC gaming and. By the time Oblivion came out, anyone with a IQ above room temp could get their xbox turned on to play.

With Skyrim its even more 'average' and every mouth breathing male from 12 ups wants to play. These forums are not representative of the average player, we are still mostly nerds here, but every one and then one of these types manages to figure out how to post and what they ask/post is quite sad.

Demographics and expectations have changed in gaming. If you want another "Daggerfall" its going to have to come from an indy company. Basically 2-4 guys in their moms basemant.

» Wed Dec 14, 2011 8:36 pm

I am very disappointed with the dungeons too. The one guy who alone made 200 dungeons for Oblivion made more interesting dungeons than the 8 people who supposedly made the 150 dungeons for Skyrim. I hate the draugr dungeon design (cosmeticallt it is okay but geographically and gameplay-wise poor) an the pattern with one powerful boss in the end and the word wall.

» Wed Dec 14, 2011 9:28 pm

I am very disappointed with the dungeons too. The one guy who alone made 200 dungeons for Oblivion made more interesting dungeons than the 8 people who supposedly made the 150 dungeons for Skyrim. I hate the draugr dungeon design (cosmeticallt it is okay but geographically and gameplay-wise poor) an the pattern with one powerful boss in the end and the word wall.

Um... what? Are we playing the same game? The even the most insignificant dungeons in Skyrim have more personality than the dungeons in Oblivion.

» Wed Dec 14, 2011 3:38 pm

Try roleplaying next time, maybe you'll have a better time. No, you didn't roleplay if you completed all but one guild quest chain. To use your anology, playing TES without roleplaying is like eating frozen supermarket sushi. And you call yourself a TES fan... pfff.

» Wed Dec 14, 2011 1:02 pm

So if you guys are impressed by Skyrim, i feel sorry for you and no matter what crap pepeol will give you, it doesnt matter because you enjoy fast food games.

From a fans of TES ( Daggerfalls, Morrowind, Oblivion)

Jeez, get over yourself

And... Oblivion? Seriously? Lost all cred sorry.

» Wed Dec 14, 2011 5:46 pm

Apparently Abra doesn't love me.

Also the one thing that keeps me happy with TES games? Mods and Modders. I understand Bethdesa should be responsible for the "perfect" stand alone but I feel even if the games are lacking in some areas that the mod community more then makes up for what the games have missing that I would like to see.

Heck I have mods of my own planned because I want to have animal companions so I will merit the game for what it has, state what I feel it lacks and still appreciate the game in general.

» Wed Dec 14, 2011 9:14 pm

If skyrim end up game of the years, its a sad day for gaming. Clearly Bethesda have chose to move for casual players. I feel like someone has gave me Big mac when i ask for sushi.
But sadly this is how video games industry seems to have turn. Place a lot of efforts on the outside (graphics) but less on the inside (gameplay, quest line, etc) My character is lvl 60, so no one here will say that im low lvl who done nothing. I have cleared all the guild quest, except thiefs, done some random explorations, completed all the Misc of everytown but one and went to 60% of the main quest. i spent more then 80hrs, just in case and gives Skyrim a real chance. But nothing, This game doesnt give me any pulse or fun. Neither in the quest, mission that are boring and repititive, neither in random exploration because dungeon and cave are: 1- too linear 2- too small 3- i dont really find anything that make me feel like i found something unique.

So if you guys at Bethesda have really chose to go in casual direction, it is over. After a week a guy on this forum mention that even if Skyrim is not the best, i will buy the next TES and i sadly sayd : yes i will because i like TES. Well i have change my mind. I wont, just like i did for other good series that went to awsome to casual.

To make it clear. Skyrim svck because:
- THE GAME IS EASY

-Repetitive quest line, dungeon

-The Lvl system who give the chance to get 100% for everyskill, kills the idea to try different type of character because i can max everything. the character i choose wont change anything.

-In the same idea. takin out the astrological signs and give the players the chance to switch any time he want with the Magical Stone make no difference in the character creation and uniqueness of my characters + make the games easier. I dont need to think what type of players i want to create cause i can change at ANYTIME!

-the illusion of choice. (Companion- werewolf and more stupid choice like that)

-i used to enjoy decoration in my house with artifact and item, even the town has decoration and they broke the system.........

-plenty of things that we dont care (horse, wood chopping, killing wolf inside that dude house 6 times)

-having 4 different quest in the same cave or dungeon...................

So if you guys are impressed by Skyrim, i feel sorry for you and no matter what crap pepeol will give you, it doesnt matter because you enjoy fast food games.

From a fans of TES ( Daggerfalls, Morrowind, Oblivion)

Maybe you are just getting bored or jaded, what about the storyline, do you read the books?
I have the game since release, I have about 80 hours and Im only a level 23. Do you fast travel everywhere? Are you one of those that want to beat the game in record time?
I have to give the game breaks by playing shooters or other things. I do 2-3 hours on this a day. I am getting a bit tired of all the same comments from gaurds in all the towns. I guess Ill pass judgement later on, if it gets boring ill just quit. I like to bowhunt though.

» Thu Dec 15, 2011 12:07 am

Jeez, get over yourself

And... Oblivion? Seriously? Lost all cred sorry.

Seconded completely. I don't know how you can say SK is any worse than OB. OB was very good, but nothing like SK. I mean, seriously.... Oblivion?!

And also OP, how can you not like having multiple quests in one dungeon? And how were OB's dungeons better than SK's? WOW

» Wed Dec 14, 2011 6:57 pm

If skyrim end up game of the years, its a sad day for gaming. Clearly Bethesda have chose to move for casual players. I feel like someone has gave me Big mac when i ask for sushi.
But sadly this is how video games industry seems to have turn. Place a lot of efforts on the outside (graphics) but less on the inside (gameplay, quest line, etc) My character is lvl 60, so no one here will say that im low lvl who done nothing. I have cleared all the guild quest, except thiefs, done some random explorations, completed all the Misc of everytown but one and went to 60% of the main quest. i spent more then 80hrs, just in case and gives Skyrim a real chance. But nothing, This game doesnt give me any pulse or fun. Neither in the quest, mission that are boring and repititive, neither in random exploration because dungeon and cave are: 1- too linear 2- too small 3- i dont really find anything that make me feel like i found something unique.

So if you guys at Bethesda have really chose to go in casual direction, it is over. After a week a guy on this forum mention that even if Skyrim is not the best, i will buy the next TES and i sadly sayd : yes i will because i like TES. Well i have change my mind. I wont, just like i did for other good series that went to awsome to casual.

To make it clear. Skyrim svck because:
- THE GAME IS EASY

-Repetitive quest line, dungeon

-The Lvl system who give the chance to get 100% for everyskill, kills the idea to try different type of character because i can max everything. the character i choose wont change anything.

-In the same idea. takin out the astrological signs and give the players the chance to switch any time he want with the Magical Stone make no difference in the character creation and uniqueness of my characters + make the games easier. I dont need to think what type of players i want to create cause i can change at ANYTIME!

-the illusion of choice. (Companion- werewolf and more stupid choice like that)

-i used to enjoy decoration in my house with artifact and item, even the town has decoration and they broke the system.........

-plenty of things that we dont care (horse, wood chopping, killing wolf inside that dude house 6 times)

-having 4 different quest in the same cave or dungeon...................

So if you guys are impressed by Skyrim, i feel sorry for you and no matter what crap pepeol will give you, it doesnt matter because you enjoy fast food games.

From a fans of TES ( Daggerfalls, Morrowind, Oblivion)

They dont force you to max out all specs its YOUR playstyle. I'm an Archer playing the game on Adept and I find it fairly challenging

» Wed Dec 14, 2011 8:17 pm

Raise the difficulty a bit and make your own limitations.

» Wed Dec 14, 2011 9:10 pm

You know, if you weren't wrong on every single one of your points, you'd have a pretty good argument.

Oh, also, 0/10 for making your post almost unreadable.

It'd be really nice if the people who love this game would actually defend it with points for once, rather than shouting "you svck."

» Wed Dec 14, 2011 9:42 pm

"Take your underwear off your head... enough is enough."

Sorry I had to after seeing that other quote from Kelly's Heroes.

» Wed Dec 14, 2011 11:53 am

It's laughable the way the OP talks like he knows "real RPG's", but from his ridiculous comments, it's clear that he doesn't have a clue how to actually "role play". He seems to be expecting the game to hold his hand through every little action and dictate exactly how much excitement and/or emotional content he gets from those actions, or from the environment, or the NPC's, or any other part of the game. It's like he's expecting the game to cater exclusively to everything that he thinks an RPG should constitute, and when it doesn't, he throws a tantrum like a child.

There are no defined "rules" about what an RPG is or isn't. I've never seen any such rules, and I sure as hell don't try to live by any. There are different kinds of RPG's, some more complex or diverse than others. I have plenty of ideas for improving Skyrim, but I'm also blown away by what it already has. The term "role playing" encompasses many different meanings to different players. As far as I'm concerned, I can "role play" with Minecraft, or ArmA 2, or DCS Black Shark, or Dirt 3... lots of games that aren't considered "RPG's" in the classic sense, but that doesn't stop me from using my imagination to get more out of a game. RPG's, in my opinion, are no different.

While it's true that there are games that do in fact, just plain svck, people are more likely to be disappointed with any game that they approach with rigid, inflexible, set-in-stone expectations. This is what he OP has done. He gives no allowance for Skyrim to be anything but exactly how he thinks it should be, or what he was hoping it would be. And since Skyrim somehow failed to provide him with the imagination that he obviously lacks, it somehow becomes the game's fault.

You don't like it? I say go get yourself a fresh copy of Battlefield 3 and close that hole under your nose.

- S -

» Wed Dec 14, 2011 5:35 pm

Wow. How do you put 80 hours into something you don't find enjoyable at all? (and aren't getting paid to do)

I think you might need to see someone for help.

» Thu Dec 15, 2011 2:06 am

Didn't bother to read this hater / troll's post. Skyrim is great in every way shape and form. I just wish the game was balanced a little bit more for non - spellcasters. Or those who prefer to use little to no magic

» Thu Dec 15, 2011 12:18 am

Im glad people like OP are quitting because TES is not hardcoe enough for them. Makes these forums much nicer with less trash about spewing garbage and mindless drivel.

» Wed Dec 14, 2011 3:40 pm

Skyrim is still very enjoyable, even if it is disappointing compared to previous TES games.

If you don't enjoy it at all then you're playing it wrong.

» Thu Dec 15, 2011 1:47 am

Seconded completely. I don't know how you can say SK is any worse than OB. OB was very good, but nothing like SK. I mean, seriously.... Oblivion?!

And also OP, how can you not like having multiple quests in one dungeon? And how were OB's dungeons better than SK's? WOW

While I'm assuming most people agree SK > OB, I think there are a couple of ways one could argue that Oblivion was better (I was particularly upset with Skyrim when I realized there were like 6 destro spells...)

» Thu Dec 15, 2011 12:52 am

Holy moses - I amazed that people are actually according this post any credibility. Criticising a game for dumbing down looses any impact when your post is a wall of unreadable, badly spelled text. If you don't like it, don't play it.

I also never cease to be suprised that those who seem intent on arguing that Skyrim needs depth and intelligence are unable to put together a coherent post.

» Wed Dec 14, 2011 5:24 pm

I lol'd.

I absolutely love Skyrim, and I'm a hardcoe Morrowind player with over 2000 hours logged into the game. Nice post, bro.

» Wed Dec 14, 2011 1:37 pm

So if you guys are impressed by Skyrim, i feel sorry for you and no matter what crap pepeol will give you, it doesnt matter because you enjoy fast food games.

From a fans of TES ( Daggerfalls, Morrowind, Oblivion)

Thank you for your pity. It makes me feel so much better. Now I can enjoy Skyrim even more than ever. While you wander the earth unmatched in intellect and wisdom in a sea of fools.

» Wed Dec 14, 2011 10:32 am

So if you guys are impressed by Skyrim, i feel sorry for you and no matter what crap pepeol will give you, it doesnt matter because you enjoy fast food games.

From a fans of TES ( Daggerfalls, Morrowind, Oblivion)

You really should not insult people that way; it is not nice.

.

» Wed Dec 14, 2011 9:44 pm

To me skyrim is much better the oblivion. I'm 40 hours in skyrim, I think I played oblivion for a few hours before, right after the first oblivion gate before I said enough is enough.