im having a hard time understanding why this game being goty would be bad.....how does that prove this game becoming casual at all?

how i see it, most people didn't even know of tes until oblivion ruled the consoles( morrowind wasn't too popular to xbox/PS3 and the the other 2 were never on console. sadly, PC has a fairly low population nowadays compared to when it was 1 of the only ways to play games). since then, alot of people you would not consider as "casual"(as the illusion it is) were revealed to the fantastic world of tes.

in fact, i don't know a single person who plays skyrim that has never played another elder scrolls game(usually starting with oblivion, but most have also played morrowind later). i don't know anybody considered this "casual" you speak of that plays skyrim right now.

if i had time, i would explain how "casual gaming" is a mere illusion created by the self proclaimed "pros" of games to insult those who aren't as skilled as they are, but im not in a raging mood today.

This whole "casual gamers" notion as a fault is just absolutely ridiculous.

I'm wondering that too - Didn't Morrowind win GOTY back in it's day?

And we all know it's FAR from being a casual game.

Cool story bro.

actually, yes. i didn't even think about this when i posted, thanks.

It's funny how you're posting about how much you dispise skyrim on a forum about skyrim.

I think OP means it's just going to encourage gaming companies to create more games like Skyrim.

In which case I say, Skyrim FGOTYW!

(It's between TES:S and The Witcher 2 for me, at this point.)

What does that even mean?

Oblivion was also a disappointment initially for purists, bu after the release of CS and as time passed, modders took care of everything.

I am not a hardcoe gamer and i agree with the OP's complaints. Its pretty much what I thought about Skyrim. It very simplified and dubbed down. I use to be in defense when threads were made about how Skyrim will be dubbed down. I can now see that I am very wrong. This game is very simplified and cut down.

Oh look, it's this thread again.

Please, if you feel the need to put up a post saying "I am done with this franchise", it's been done before. Like a million times.

Hey,You ccant talk for me..
I love skyrim,it feels like coming home for me.and i am a morrowind really devoted fan,that is my favourite game.I almost love skyrim as much as i love morrowind<3
so i dont care what everybody says,i will still love this game.

Look at it this way. Skyrim, according to IMDb, cost $100 million to make. Bethesda is not going to make a $100 million game that is only appealing to the hardcoe fans of TES.

Ah, but they did not have to spend all that on a game. Correct. But Beth, and The Elder Scrolls series , are big names. The next TES instalment would have been eagerly awaited, and even if Beth explicitly stated that the game was only for big RPG/TES fans, they would still get completely slated by all the mainstream gaming mags, sites and blogs. So they did what any business would and chose to appeal to the mainstream, the 'casuals'.

Yep,And for about million games....happens with every franchise.

After being on theses forums and reading many, many a post, it is clear to me that I am playing a vastly different game to a lot of the people hear, cause I have been enjoying exploring the world that is skyrim and having a great time, sure I have only played for 50 hr (got a full time job and a girlfriend that I want to keep) I have had little to none of the same problems as the people complaining (NB, the game isn’t perfect it has it faults, but there are moments where I forget about them and are amazed, like looking over the landscape or talking to Cisero)

Solitude, right?

Solitude.

Is the game too easy or are you simply just a better gamer then you were when you first began playing Elder Scrolls games?



This is a complaint of every RPG ever made. Skyrim is not unique in this.



Funny, I seem to recall I could do the same thing in Morrowind. And Oblivion.



Again...same thing in Morrowind and Oblivion. Yeah, the Signs were fixed but come on. They weren't exactly game changers or enforced character diversity.



You won't hear me defend the Companions quest line, but ultimately that's all a game is: Illusions of Choice. At the same time, Elder Scrolls is a lot better at incorporating some choices into the narrative then other games where you are given exactly one option.



So...your pissed because there are multiple houses with multiple decorative options? I'm honestly confused by what this means.



Then don't do those things. They're optional for a reason.



Yes. How dare Bethesda make a dynamic, breathing world where you are not the first being to set foot in a cavern/ruin in thousands of years and that the locals might have already made a point to poke around similar places for different goals.




I find it hysterical that you included Oblivion in your rant about how the game used to be better when Oblivion had a obtrusive Level Scaling System and offered a static world that felt more like set pieces at a Renfaire then any sort of actual world.

yes and many many other places, Skyrim (even on my computer that just runs it) looks great

I hope your joking. Please go play BF2, then tell me BF3 hasn't been "dumbed down". I love BF3, but they changed the whole design of the series. Small maps, choke point maps, less teamwork, etc...

Get out of here if you're just going to be an elitist "hardcoe TES fan". If you want to look at spreadsheets and roll dice, go play D&D. I'll just sit down and enjoy an ACTUAL GAME.

To the OP: I would probably feel the same if I was playing on a console but, since I've a pc, the CK will bring some sanity for the "traditional" rpg players.

Bad post. You put 80 hours into this game, so you either did enjoy it or you're lying about how much time you put in.

You say it's too easy: If you feel that way, put it on master difficulty and place some restrictions on yourself such one potion per fight only, choosing ONE craft (smithing, enchanting, alchemy), no magic use at all (for rogue/warrior character type), and so on and so forth. Get creative.

You say the dungeons are repetitive-- did you play Morrowind or Oblivion at all? These dungeons feel like they're each 100% hand crafted by a different person in comparison. And linear? Am I the only one who doesn't miss getting lost in Morrowind dungeons, running circles for hours?

You complain about maxing every skill-- that's kind of an elder scrolls thing, it was like that in Morrowind and Oblivion. Now, with perks, you're more restricted than you were before.

D&D would probably have less spread-sheeting than some TES games. At least there you didn't have to worry about using X skill more than Y skill so you could level stat Z at the next level.

no forums are for people that want attention and if you say the wrong thing you get banned thete is no fredom of speech unless you want to be mr goody two shoes. Thank god for an IP generator haha

LOL.