I can and did.

I was being a d bag at first then I calmed down, but I did not delete what I previously posted and I will live with that.

I realize the way it looks from there on out but honestly, in regards to this specific topic I have really stopped caring due to the frequency it has been posted. I just didn't delete my first part.

WHY CANZ U NO LOVE ME?

Notsurewhyubreakmyheart? Maybeunoseeeditiwasworkingon?

I dunno why my brain just died, maybe I am too sad about the declining of video games in general and the feeling that my culture is dying out (changing) to something I do not quite recognize.

I love how everyone who hates the game assumes that everyone who does is just "complacent" and has lower standards.

I find loads of complexity and depth in Skyrim, obviously I see things that you don't. I don't like Skyrim because it's simple - I love it because I find it to be incredibly in depth.

When I criticize Spellmaking for not being that complex of a feature, I get responded to by people saying I wasn't creative enough to maximize it's potential.

Well you know what I say? People saying that Skyrim is simple, and "dumbed down", simply aren't creative enough to maximize the depth and role-play possibilities in the game.

I've never watched an 80 hour movie. Perhaps you have.

OP is a pretty cool guy he easies Skirym and doesn't afraid of anything!



Uhm... yeah sure... about as much as every previous TES game and most RPGs. What were you expecting?



As opposed to Morrowind and Oblivion where you could easily max all skills and all stats? Skyrim limits you in that perks are finite so even if you master all the skill to 100, you still won't be a master of everything since perks are the specialisation method.



At least you actually have to find the signs, unlike say in Oblivion and Morrowind, where signs were chosen at the start and so poorly balanced that the choice was already made for you.



Still more choice than Dragon Age 2, and not much more or less than previous TES games.



Apart for the fact some of it is a bit buggy, I prefer the new activate mechanism for cases and shelves, Oblivion's turd physics made decoration a pain in the rear-end. Also you can still stack shelves as you please, given there is still the grab command. What's your problem?



Says you, since when do you speak for all, most or even a plurality of people?



As opposed to having a hundred identical dungeons in Oblivion yes?




Notice the bolded parts? That's you proving you're talking out your [censored]. Un-modded oblivion was barely playable shell of a game with no sense of perspective or progression, the height of samey mindless fast food gaming.

TL;DR: Cool story bro.

I love how disliking oblivion is the new hipster.
The game was great, and awesome with mods, deal with it.

They are both quality companies to be sure. I do love Skyrim minus the bugs and some questionable design decisions. I do feel they have simplified their product but I do not think they have sold out.

A 2 hour investment of a movie is much different than an 80+ hour investment over the course of a month.

The movie svcks? You never watch it again.

The game svcks? But you continue to subject yourself to it, over and over and over again.

Nope, it's still going strong.
http://www.gog.com/en/gamecard/lands_of_lore_1_2
http://www.gog.com/en/gamecard/ultima_7_complete

Lots and lots of people are buying these games, reliving their past.
I'm glad to be one of the "young folk' and dwell in the past.

This post is a joke. I dont know why people keep coming postin such a childish things.
I dont mid if someone complain of something that may be bad but this.... crap. Crap in its whole nature.

I think you need to look up the definition of 'fact' and 'opinion' because you're getting the two confused.

To clarify:

- THE GAME IS EASY (opinion, can be as hard as you make it)

-Repetitive quest line, dungeon (opinion, there are many unique quests and dungeons)

-The Lvl system who give the chance to get 100% for everyskill, kills the idea to try different type of character because i can max everything. the character i choose wont change anything. (opinion, many people have multiple characters including myself)

-In the same idea. takin out the astrological signs and give the players the chance to switch any time he want with the Magical Stone make no difference in the character creation and uniqueness of my characters + make the games easier. I dont need to think what type of players i want to create cause i can change at ANYTIME! (opinion, whether or not you grind/powerlevel skills is up to you - playing the game 'naturally' gives you completely different characters regardless of skill caps)

-the illusion of choice. (Companion- werewolf and more stupid choice like that) (opinion, it is a choice you do not have to be the harbinger of the companions to 'complete' or play the game)

-i used to enjoy decoration in my house with artifact and item, even the town has decoration and they broke the system......... (I can't even tell what he's talking about here)

-plenty of things that we dont care (horse, wood chopping, killing wolf inside that dude house 6 times) (opinion, care is an opinion statement)

-having 4 different quest in the same cave or dungeon................... (opinion on whether this is good or bad - or even happens, I've never seen 4 quests in the same dungeon)

Oh, for the sake of God, enough with this already. No need to open a new topic each time someone want to repeat what's all over the place.


I have to disagree, but DB and TG questline where really the game's peak.

I found New Vegas unplayable and put it aside for six months and when I picked it up again, most of the bugs where sorted out and the community had kicked in fully. Nowadays is one of my fav games EVER.

So are all the other TES games.
Tell that to Daggerfall, which I assume you consider a "real" TES game.
Same for every other TES game, but to a larger extent because Skyrim limits your skill points.
Change at any time? First you have to find every stone. Second of all, this helps players not regret their sign choice after hundreds of hours spent in Skyrim's massive amounts of content.
Not even going to touch this one, lol.
Built-in mannequins, display cases, and display racks? You can still decorate, and you can still move dropped items.
I see, streamlining is bad, but so is content?
Doesn't happen.


OP, I congratulate you; you have written what is quite possibly the most ignorant, inaccurate posts I have ever read on a forum, ever.

Not really. facts are there, and, as I said, how much you minds or like them is up to your personal taste. One mans trash, other mans treasure, to simplify.
Either way, I said I will watch the fan boys fight, not fight with them, so hush, run along now.

lol I love this post. And I didn't even download mods.

I've edited my post to address each alleged 'fact' as you put them. They're all opinions but one that doesn't even make any sense.

Indeed "One mans trash, other mans treasure, to simplify." is pretty much the very DEFINITION of OPINION. Not fact.

Nostalgia can do wonders, I suppose. Wayman's post summed up a lot of the problems with the OP's points. If you don't like the game, great, but don't pretend a lot of its flaws weren't present in older entires in the series. Maybe you're getting tired of those problems cropping up again and again—hey, that happens—but don't blame it on the "downfall of the industry" or some nonsense. I do want to address a point Wayman opted to skip, however:



I'm gonna drop a spoiler here: You can't advance in the Dark Brotherhood unless you kill people. You can't advance in the Thieves' Guild if you don't steal things. If you don't like what a quest is having you do, don't do the quest. Elder Scrolls games (yes, all of them, even the ones you like) do not tend to put variable options within the quests; rather, they provide options by supplying a large variety of factions and quests, letting you join or complete the ones that make sense for your character. Don't want to be a werewolf? That option is present. It's very easy, in fact. Turn around and walk away. Yeah, you might miss out on a faction. That's part of what choice is about: consequences, lost opportunities.

Don't know about everyone else but my personal favourite part was at the end where he mentions he played DF,MW and OB as if it gives him some authority.

Game's to easy? Only if you abuse crafting abilities together.

All skills 100 = maxed character? Lol. It's called perks. Shouldn't even have to explain that.

Dungeons lacking decent rewards? Besides shouts, I tend to agree with you. Besides seeing the different designs of the dungeons themselves

I like the small little details, thank you very much

Thanks for apparently speaking for everyone. Oh, and thank you for demonstrating your mastery of the English language. Bravo.

Lol. This game is absolutely not easy on the hardest difficulty you silly.

If you dont want to read OP's post due to its length, here are the keynotes.

- I dont like Skyrim because Bethesda are trying to keep everyone happy. I like Sushi. If you like Skyrim you are inferior to me because my opinion is the correct and only opinion.

Now for a start, I am truly sorry you didnt enjoy Skyrim OP. You seem to be one of those that live in the past, that always start the chorus of "this game isnt what it used to be" when in fact it is and more. I as many others started with Morrowind and find Skyrim the strongest title yet. Yes its simplyfied, but not totally. Instead of spending hours trying to find that one part of armor to match the rest, now I try to find that one enchant I dont have to wear the armor. Where some things are simple, others are more details or hold more challange.

The game is now large, Morrowind scale or perhaps bigger. But the difference being, I feel there is more piled into that scale. More meaningful npcs, more diverse dungeons, dungeons with a back story to them. Then there is the lore, it is stronger in this title, more has happened than between Morrowind and Oblivion, ie: Vvardenfell exploding, the Admeri dominion posing a threat the the empire and if you read the two novels (I just started the second) Umbriel. The atmosphere is thick in Skyrim, you just have to pay attention, listen tot he subtext, the game is more than just Dragonborn slays Dragon, what if the empire lose to the stormcloaks? Will the Thalmor take advantage at that point, is that why they are in Skyrim? If the Empire re-takes Ufflic towns, will the Empire re-unite at full power, perhaps even allowing Talos worship?

The other point to the more streamlined play in Skyrim, it brings new players into this very deep lore. Introducing them to Daedra but without spoonfeeding us that know them already. Showing the racial stereotypes, weapon types etc etc.

Now I am not without critcism, I do feel ranged should of been more diverse, magic although the new system is great should scale better and overall more options to specialise in weapons (I dual weilded daggers when now sniping with a bow, apart from sneak, daggers get no bonus such as maces avoiding armor etc).

My point here is, I LOVE Skyrim, as do others, that doesnt make us any less a gamer than you OP. There are people here who love a deep game, but also see the advantage to making the game more open to a wider audience, and then love the game no less. Beth has made so much effort to keep its core fans happy while bringing in a horde of new fans, instead of whining its not Morrowind all over again, we should commend them on a fine effort, and congratulate on being the second best selling game this year, outselling Battlefield 3, a game I also play, not such a small feit (Not 100% if this is valid).

JUST LIKE THE OP

It gets better than that. On the WoW forums, someone once posted something along the lines of "I have played WoW for 4 years, done all the end-game raids, and honestly WoW is the worst game I ever played." Only took 4 years for him to notice. :biggrin:

For me Skyrim is the first i have played of the series. My opinion about it is that its a great game but not classic material (maybe with expansions). It could be game of the year but only for PC.

It's hard to even get to the part when we start offending each other because of different opinions when you don't read my posts.

So, once more, with example. Game is easy. That is a fact. For the whole TES series. Someone may find this to be annoying, someone may like it. For more clarification, read back.

And I admit that I don't know what is it about decorations either. As for the others... The main ones... repetitive? That's a fact, I don't thing even Beth employee would try to deny that. Do you like it or not? That's an opinion.

Illusion of choice? Very much fact. Adding several dialogue options which always lead to the same answers and concusions is a paragon example of that. Then again, you may find that to be a rip-off or you can just ignore it. That is...about your very own taste.

The level / skill system ruins need for different character archetypes? Well, seriously, that is also a fact. Again, for the whole TES series, even tho the removal of major/minor skills and stats made it hell lot more visible. Nothing new here in the concept tho. And for the Xth time, you may like it or you may not. Opinion.

My, it looks like you cofused yourself while you were talking about me being confused. How... chaotic.