To those who think that the Stormcloaks are all racists...

Post » Tue Feb 04, 2014 9:50 am


That's still pretty damn wrong.
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JAY
 
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Post » Tue Feb 04, 2014 2:11 pm

I would also like to say this before anyone else tries to say that the Stormcloaks do not allow Khajiit into cities:

1. It is just the caravans

2. You encounter one in Riften as part of a quest

3. the caravans are not helping their cases either because they cry about how unjust the Nords are by accusing them of being pickpockets and Skooma dealers and yet . . . they sell lockpicks (useful for thieves, well to be fair just about every merchant sells them but still) and Skooma (which most merchants do not sell)

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Post » Tue Feb 04, 2014 10:56 am

And another point is every Khajiit i've made can freely walk into cities, and if there are any npc's who talk about not getting in they talk about Skyrim's cities in general not just the Stormcloak controlled ones

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candice keenan
 
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Post » Tue Feb 04, 2014 2:32 pm

I'm not certain it counts as racism when you insult a people that slaughter and torture your friends and family because of a religious belief on a regular basis... but even then this debate is lore-based for the most part, so if you would like to contribute please make your remarks accordingly. What you people fail to comprehend is that the callous mindset of Nords in general are a result of being unjustly slaughtered in the Great War. We know they are a relatively simple people, and we know that if they don't like getting pushed around, they aren't going to stand for it. If you're familiar with the saying "You can only kick the dog in the corner for so long...", then you will understand that it is applicable here.

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Nikki Lawrence
 
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Post » Tue Feb 04, 2014 1:24 pm

Essentially and even in the Stormcloak controlled cities I have noticed a pattern, you contribute to the economy you are better off.

The Hlaalu farm and the Dunmer run general store in Windhelm both contribute to the economy and seem to be better off than any of the other buildings owned by Dunmer.

That said Ulfric might also be reluctant to allow the Argonians into the city with Dunmer so close by then again they get along fine in Riften but they were probably allowed to do so with the Jarl's reluctance. Can you guess why they would probably be reluctant?

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Post » Tue Feb 04, 2014 8:27 am

I haven't really got a side and I rarely join either faction on any playthrough, almost every province in Tamriel has some sort of racial division, and also the note about only Nords in the Stormcloaks after all it is a rebellion for Skyrim, say Elsweyr had a rebellion i'm sure the rebel army would consist of mostly Khajiit not just anyone who happened to be there at the time I mean why would a random Orc join a rebellion for Skyrim's independence, the only reason the Empire has mixed race is because the Empire consists of several provinces and is ruled by Cyrodil, but saying that there is a somewhat obvious racism among the Stormcloaks but anyway in the next TES i'm sure none of this will matter as both faction's will probably have dissolved or it will be based in the past

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Post » Tue Feb 04, 2014 2:49 am


We actually see no tension between the Dunmer and Argonians at all in skyrim hell we aren't even berated in Raven Rock as far as I know if we pick Argonian, the closest we have is one Dunmer who calls the argonian dock workers she is in charge of "lazy" otherwise all the argonian hate in windhelm comes from the stormcloak supporting Nords.
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Post » Tue Feb 04, 2014 2:05 am

You do realize that Housecarl's are not slaves right?

In fact at least one Housecarl is married to their Thane.

Also Unmid Snow-Shod and Anuriel (the steward) apparently like going to her private chambers or meeting for "combat practice"

Unmid is a supporter of the Stormcloaks and Anuriel who is a Bosmer are in love.

Yup, Unmid is totally racist /sarcasm

That said most Housecarls are generally close friends with the Thane that they serve, just look at Balgruuf and Irileth

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Post » Tue Feb 04, 2014 4:03 am

Which is sad considering what she is.
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Samantha hulme
 
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Post » Tue Feb 04, 2014 1:25 pm

Hackdirt is more unwelcoming to outsiders than Morrowind and Skyrim combined. Hated that place as a kid.

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Post » Tue Feb 04, 2014 10:41 am

Not to mention that the Khajiit nations are client states of the Thalmor.

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Post » Tue Feb 04, 2014 6:44 am

Which still does not help their cases either.

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sexy zara
 
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Post » Tue Feb 04, 2014 1:08 pm

Or her: http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Oblivion:Countess_Alessia_Caro Or him: http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Oblivion:Arentus_Falvius

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Post » Tue Feb 04, 2014 2:39 pm


That reminds me of the idiotic debate I had with Killabee about how Imperial culture doesn't promote racism.
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Baylea Isaacs
 
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Post » Tue Feb 04, 2014 1:59 pm

Was he saying it didn't or were you the one saying it didn't as I am pretty sure that those links prove you wrong too.

Both sides can be just as racist by the way.

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Calum Campbell
 
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Post » Tue Feb 04, 2014 3:47 am

Oh, boo hoo. Like Tiber Septim was a kindly grandfather dispensing cookies throughout Tamriel.

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Margarita Diaz
 
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Post » Tue Feb 04, 2014 10:19 am


I wouldn't compare that idiot Ulfric to Tiber Septim and I certainly wouldn't say we see Ulfric as "sunshine and roses" compared to other characters.
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Andy durkan
 
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Post » Tue Feb 04, 2014 7:46 am

No he was a monster, who had a baby aborted, and slaughtered all across Tamriel. He's a bloody wargod, if your actually comparing Ulfric to the man of Tiber Septim, then I dont know what to say.

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Samantha Pattison
 
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Post » Tue Feb 04, 2014 8:36 am

He had one baby aborted

The Thalmor are bigger monsters than he was by the way because they probably have forced more to be aborted.

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Post » Tue Feb 04, 2014 5:11 am


Actually we could blame how the Thalmor is to Tiber's actions towards the original Dominion. Tiber unleashed a giant brass-golem/walking-tower on them and they are still fighting Numidium in order to make sure Alinor isn't destroyed in every time stream.
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Emmie Cate
 
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Post » Tue Feb 04, 2014 6:01 am

Forcibly, killing an unborn baby against the mothers will is the moral even horizon for me. Lesser of two evils, Tiber slaughtered and kill thousands across his bloody rise to power, I doubt he could be considered benevolent, he is a wargod. At the most a neutral entity.

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Roberto Gaeta
 
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Post » Tue Feb 04, 2014 11:27 am

Want to go further? We can blame it on the Dwemer for creating the original Numidium in the first place?

I can keep taking that further with Lorkahn by the way.

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Post » Tue Feb 04, 2014 3:08 am

Hjalti also betrayed Zurin by stating Zurin tried to assassinate him when really it was Wulfharth trying to kill him because Hjalti lied to Wulfharth about how he was going to throw down the Tribunal once Morrowind became part of the empire but Hjalti can't have people knowing that Wulfharth was pretty much doing all the shouting and work.
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Post » Tue Feb 04, 2014 10:05 am

There's no evidence at all to say that the Thalmor have ever forced abortions

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Jordan Fletcher
 
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Post » Tue Feb 04, 2014 5:38 am

There is a passage in the first PGE about how the Altmer killed "impure" children but even the writer of the PGE said there was no evidence or proof to the claim.
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