So Caesar based his Legion on ancient Rome right? Well, correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't ancient Rome a democracy? As far as I know Caesar's were only put into power under extreme circumstances. When they did this the Caesar usually tried to steal power and I think more than one of them were assassinated due to this attempted coup d'etat *cough* Julius *cough* Forty-nine stabs in the back *cough* Et Tu Brute? *cough* (great play by the way)

So why is it that Caesar acts like a monarch? Or really I guess it would be a Military Dictatorship. So is this an oversight or did Caesar just pick and choose which bits of Ancient Rome to model his new empire off of?

Do some more reading on history. Rome in its later years basically became a monarchy for the Caesar line. Rome in its early years was some what democratic. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Roman_Emperors

He chose what he liked.

Caesar chose aspects that appealed to his god-complex and solidified his power. Caesars Legion is a mockary of Rome rather than a rebirth of it.

NCR is a mockery of America rather than a rebirth of it.

i lol'd

Pretty obvious he cherry picked bits and pieces of Roman history that fit his plans. And you're mistaking "Caesars" with "Dictators". In the Ancient Roman republic they would appoint a Dictator in times of emergency and most of them gave their absolute power back after said crisis was averted. Caesar acts like a monarch because he's emulating either Julius Caesar after he took Rome or Augustus, the first Roman emperor both of whom had absolute power.

If only that was true.... Sadly NCR is an quite accurate depiction.

He also says that the ways of the old world failed but last I checcked did'nt ancent romen socity die off.

The fall of Rome came through civil war, which is something Caesar has tried to prevent by ensuring his Legion's loyalty. And it didn't end with the dropping of nuclear weapons.

Admittedly, appointing Lanius as his Legate and probably the next Caesar isn't a great idea, but whatever.

Who said anything about the NCR?

@Apocalypse2012 & Imperator Augustus, Admittedly, I'm not very familiar with Roman history, but it makes sense that he would want to emulate Rome the Empire rather than Rome the Republic. What is odd, is that the Roman empire was using the hight of technology during that period. They also embraced sicences and philosophizing, which I don't think the Legion does. Though that would most likely countermind Caesar's authority rather than strengthen zealotry of his soldiers.

To be fair, all we've seen is the military, as in, the Roman Legion.

Who knows what the Legion is like back in Arizona.

Not really, rule by force is pretty much the American way. I love America but I have no misconceptions about how it is run.

Yes!

I don't assume that all civilians in the Legion are slaves. I don't believe that women outside war camps are used as just breeding stock.

If I did I wouldn't support the Legion.

the Roman Empire says what?

I smell a flame war very soon ....... :cryvaultboy: Please comrades, unite under the flag of Fallout! :fallout:

Every time Legion comes up there is ALWAYS someone that has to bash on them which is getting more and more frustrating for Legion supporters.
So there is high probability that whenever someone bashes Legion a Legion supporter will bash right back at NCR and then the broken record is on the loop again.

Ceasar: What!

The reason I support the legion is because of how obedient they are. The ncr is like a corrupt democratic.

Yes. Exactly.

I've often said that if the Roman Empire existed in the Fallout universe they'd be the ones to walk around in power-armor and carry plasma rifles.

No! For the love of Bengie! Not another NCR vs. Legion! If you want to argue, there's a very thread about a killer robot toaster, go argue with http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/1210028-i-found-the-toaster-i-encourage-the-devs-and-staff-to-look/

The real Caesars were Kings.....the most powerful monarchs to ever rule. But for political reasons, they hid the true extent of thier power behind the forms of the Republic. The Romans thought that bowing and scraping before a God-King, and hiding behind a Cult of Personality was literally gay. What Eddie is using as a model is the Great Totalitarian Dictatorships of the 20th century...with some Roman cos-play added in. He actually tells you that CL is a Totalitarian State by design.







That's the Enclave....the NCR is just a 5th generation carbon copy of America.

Republic not Democracy. Caesar just took all of the best parts of the Roman Empire and put them in his own Empire simply to improve upon the past. On the shoulders of giants! :wink_smile:

Yeah! Ordinary people duplicate(NCR), extraordinary people innovate!(Caesar)

Thats very debatable...

Actually the way he handles it, is pretty close to the real way the Caesar's used to rule. The main difference? He doesn't try to hide his power behind a fake Republic. If he would have done that, I'm sure they would have more outside support.