Hello. Over the past two years, mostly since last year I began getting obsessed (literally) with Elder Scrolls Lore. Reading up on all I could, Tamriel Library for one great resoruce, as well as some in-game reading material. From everything I've gathered, (I hope this isn't a random ramble/jumble) it's very interesting to see dragons make an appearance. For... more reasons than one.

I'll start off by saying to most people (If I'm wrong about all of this, yes I am a fool who may be taking this too deeply) it won't be random dragons, and it won't be a random story Bethesda is creating here. None of it is random. They know what they're doing with the series. (As I suspect, being Elder Scrolls has proved extremely enjoyable and very deep if looked into thus far) The reason I say this is a small amount of people who I've met over the internet and real life just believe the Elder Scrolls is just an RPG that has a story but they just see it as a game made solely for just being free. While this is true, it's deeper. The plot, and story is extremely deep. (From what I've gathered. Again, I could be completely off the mark, this is just speculations and theories that I, and a few friends share.)

I'll start by saying--I believe Akavir will be an extremely key part in the Elder Scrolls series to come. The Imperial Dragon Insignia the Empire has? They got the idea from the Akaviri. Remember the Disaster at Ionith? How the Akaviri have attacked Tamriel before way back when? They said they would return, when the Empire is fallen, and the royal line dead. It's funny how after Oblivion the last Septim died, and it's obvious how the Empire would turn out after that. Morrowind is in complete disarray with Vivec's disappearance. The Empire is broken, Emperor Mede (Mentioned in the Infernal City) can't hope to keep it together. And the Dragons? The Dragon Insignia the Imperials took from Akavir, was Akaviri. Dragons are on Akavir as well. So, it's VERY ironic, and not surprising that dragons are invading. I do believe these dragons are a part of Akavir, which is why I conclude Akavir is a crucial perhaps 'hidden' plot point in Skyrim possibly.

Next, I'd like to go to someone you know very well; Akatosh. Remember Akatosh? Dragon God of Time, the dude who totally rocked Mehrunes Dagon's socks off at the end of Oblivion? Now I'd like to also introduce someone many people may not know much about, Lorkhan the Lunar God. Also called 'The Missing God'. It's already been released that Akatosh and Lorkhan are one and the same. What does this mean exactly? It means it's a major plot point, however I'll get to Lorkhan a bit later. Skipping through a few things, I'd like to go to Vivec. Vivec also called 'Vehk' in the Love Letter of the 5th Era, that Vivec wrote. Vivec, he was very enigmatic and still is. Indeed, I do believe Vivec's role is extremely larger than just being some false Dunmer God who plotted against Lord Nerevar. He's in league with Lorkhan. Lorkhan had already dealt with the Nine Divines long during the beginning stages, Akatosh himself ripped Lorkhan's heart out. Which is why it's interesting that Akatosh and Lorkhan are the same person. I believe Lorkhan is systematically sealing away Daedric Princes. He wants himself to be the one to be worshipped, or is possibly the overall Antagonist of the entire series. 'The Trial of Vivec' which was a forum RP, I believe on one of Bethesda's forums was called Canonic I believe. At the end of this, it's interesting to note Vivec lunges a spear through Azura's mouth, and Azura is put back into her realm of Oblivion known as Moonshadow. She is sealed within. Now onto Oblivion, what do we do at the end? Akatosh seals Mehrunes Dagon. Being Akatosh and Lorkhan are the same person, and Vivec no doubt working for Lorkhan... It looks like Lorkhan's declaring war on the Daedric Princes wouldn't it? Lorkhan always said he liked Imperials more... Which is why the Septims may have been plotting with Vivec, this entire time. Uriel septim's famous quote, "Find him, and close shut the jaws, of Oblivion.." It could be meaningless to what I'm about to state, or it could be an actual point. Dagon's realm of Oblivion was known as the Deadlands, not Oblivion itself. So the fact that Uriel said "Close shut the jaws of Oblivion" Would mean EVERY realm of Oblivion every Daedric Princes realm. Which is why it's interesting to note Uriel and his son Martin may have been working with Lorkhan. Remember, Uriel was tossed away in another realm while Jagar Tharn ruled in his absence. Who knows what forces spoke to him. Also, funny fact. You know what Chapel Martin was a priest at? A chapel of Akatosh in Kvatch. Coincidence? Possibly, or I could just be a raving Elder Scrolls fan with nothing better to do than try to figure out the overall plot.

This is why perhaps, Akavir as well as Lorkhan may be major plot points in the times to come. I'd love to hear your input. (On how either mad I am, or if you have something else to add)
Interesting enough that Vivec left as well. The ministry of truth fell right as he left Morrowind too. He knew it would happen, so why did he do it? No he was not kidnapped by Daedra, he's working for Lorkhan! Gah, a point I forgot to mention above... Remember good 'ol Morrowind? How you kill the heart of Lorkhan? Ho, ho.. we didn't actually kill it or the false gods power would've waned quicker. No, we merely moved it. Once the heart was moved, Lorkhan was physically able to manifest himself again. And now that we all know Lorkhan and Akatosh are the same person, we see this CLEARLY at the end of Oblivion! Akatosh comes to push Dagon back into Oblivion, and seal him in his realm of the Deadlands! This may be all coincidence, but I believe it may be more than that. The heart was moved. Would we really expect to destroy the heart of a god permanently or even at all? The heart was there for several millenia, and it was moved. Lorkhan regained his heart, and then the war against the Daedric Princes started, attempting to seal them all up.

Now this last part is one of my theories I do not give any credibility to, and it's all pure speculation. Mehrunes Dagon possibly knew of what Lorkhan was planning, and merely used the Mythic Dawn to bring himself and his followers to Tamriel to attempt and stop an upcoming Akaviri invasion, and Lorkhan's return. Ha, how crazy does that sound? Quite crazy actually so don't quote me on that speculation. Just a cool tidbit I thought I'd add in.

Hm, decided to edit this and add one more thing. I believe in Skyrim you're like the Nerevarine in Morrowind. I believe the Dovakhiin is the incarnate of Tiber Septim. Possibly a stretch but this is also interesting to guess. Tiber Septim reincarnated, the Dragon Born. Being, the blades did greet Martin as, "Hail the Dragon Born! Hail Martin Septim! Hail!" Tiber Septim, (Talos') return.

Well, thanks for listening to me just spew out my thoughts on The Elder Scroll's possible ideas, and future plot.

At first I was thinking tl;dr, then I svcked it up and read what you posted. It all makes sense, you have a good point.

We got big lore buff here. Mabey you can teach me some history. Or you can find a way into nirn and become a history teacher.

Hmmm? What? *Just waking up* *Yawn*. Cool story bro.

LOL! Laughed so hard I think I cracked a rib, lol.

However you do have a point. Maybey Skyrim and the next few ES games would be a plot that gradually involves the Akvavier to invade Tamriel.

Well yu could finaaly educate those dumb orcs.

Hello. Over the past two years, mostly since last year I began getting obsessed (literally) with Elder Scrolls Lore. Reading up on all I could, Tamriel Library for one great resoruce, as well as some in-game reading material. From everything I've gathered, (I hope this isn't a random ramble/jumble) it's very interesting to see dragons make an appearance. For... more reasons than one.



Some of the dragons will be random, of that I am certain. As for the plot, I was a bit disappointed with Oblivions plot. Daggerfall and Morrowind were much better. But it seems that Bethesda isn't under the gun in terms of time, so I see this as Bethesda's second chance at a "European styled fantasy". I vote Elsweyr or Black Marsh next though



200 years is enough time for the Akavir to make their move I suppose. But I'm willing to bet it's not part of the main questline



There is no official word on "The Trial of Vivec". Yes, developers participated in it, but that doesn't make it canon. And personally, I'd rather it weren't cannon.

Can you also post a link to where Akatosh and Lorkhan are considered one and the same?

Akatosh is certainly relevant to Skyrim, but I don't believe it's quite what you think.



If the heart was moved, Dagoth Ur would not have died. Keening and Sunder weren't pieces of enchanted metal, they required Wraithguard and eons of knowledge to learn how to properly wield the energies imbued into them. They were responsible for the disappearance of an entire race! I think it's safe to say the heart is gone



Mehrunes Dagon is typically described as knowing nothing and speaking a great deal. I think you're overthinking here, Mehrunes really just wanted to invade Tamriel and enjoy his reign of destruction.



Only problem with this is we would likely be the Emperor. That's really hard for Bethesda to base future games around.

Akatosh = Alduin

He gonna be toast by the end of Skyrim.

Yeah, I'll agree overthinking was done on several parts, especially the Dagon part, I merely added that in for random kicks and giggles. But yeah, you make valid points here, and in the direction of the series to The Dovakhiin being the Dragonborn, that is a valid point on how they really couldn't base future games around that. Also, I'll have to get back to on the Lorkhan/Akatosh thing, however I do believe Michael Kirkbride mentioned they are like the Christian Trinity, I'll look for the source to that in the meantime. Thanks for your input.

And to add in, YES. I strongly agree with you, Daggerfall and Morrowind were incredibly awesome.

Ah, I forgot about that actually. What's funny is if what Michael Kirkbride said is true, then Akatosh/Lorkhan would be Alduin meaning it's one big Antagonist.

""As you probably know Oblivion changed this and said that it was Akatosh, not Shezzar who gave the Amulet of Kings to Alessia. To many lorefans this became another one of Oblivion's plotholes when it comes to lore. Like he did with other plotholes, Mk also tried to correct this one. In the following topic on the ES forums he corrected this plothole by basically saying that Shezzar/Lorkhan and Akatosh are actually two sides of the same entity, perhaps comparable to the Christian Holy Trinity"" Taken from one of the UESPs. There was a link within the UESP, that linked to this board, however it was broken, so I'll continue looking. Sorry if this information taken doesn't really do anything, but meh. It's late and I have nothing better to do. :/

You can't quite look at gods so simply. Remember that Akatosh, Mara and Stendarr were the ones responsible for the Dragon Break in Daggerfall. That was divine intervention that could not be explained by anyone who lived in High Rock or Hammerfell.

Several Numidiums utterly obliterating everything in their paths, armies displaced thousands of miles fighting multiple battles at once, the Worm King worshipped as a god with documented influence yet also appearing as a mere High Elf in Cyrodiil? Not to mention that time itself accelerated a few days forward, with only the armies and nobility of the country aware of the time change.

Taking all of that in, and you realize that a god is not something you can quite fathom.

I think your overthinking the stroy, but it'll be really cool if the story was really that deep.

This is all considering the Nine Divines are actually Gods, which I do not believe they actually are. Aside from Akatosh, who is Lorkhan confirmed by Michael Kirkbride. You're correct, I cannot fathom him completely, however I can speculate motives even if some are a bit stretched.

Although on one part, I was irritated how Mannimarco appeared in Cyrodiil. He was extremely... weak. Didn't expect that.

Yeah, that's what a few of my friends were thinking. We actually all laughed about it, me and my oldschool Starcraft friends, we all were thinking the same thing. It would be pretty interesting if it did go this deep, however it most likely may not end up as deep as I assume it to be.

Only Gods could demonstrate that amount of power.

The events in Morrowind also show that Zenithar, Mara, Stendarr, and Talos are indeed gods. Stendarr's Hammer of Justice was beyond the carrying limits of any legitimate character. Talos marked the fate of the Nerevarine as well. And Zenithar/Mara both make their appearances in the Imperial Cult quests. Their presence is merely not as pronounced as the Daedra.

I wouldn't take it too much to heart. Mannimarco isn't finished yet. As I said, Oblivion was somewhat rushed due to time constraints and all that.

While this is all true, Gods are omniscient and omnipotent. Marking someone's fate is just a showing of prophecy, in regards to Talos. Zenithar and Mara appearing in the Imperial Cult quests merely show their some sort of Deity to be revered. Stendarr's hammer is indeed quite the weapon, but it wouldn't take a God to create something of the sort. Perhaps Demigods, but I hardly think they're all Gods. The people of Tamriel may revere them as Gods, however when it comes down to Lore, I do not believe they're actually Gods do to the information within the creation of all of Mundus, Nirn etc.

There's a contradiction here though. You just said that Akatosh was a god earlier in a post. By your definition, only Padomay and Anu are gods

Apologies, I should've been specific, I was referring to the Divines, exclude Akatosh in these being he is Lorkhan.

Hm, tell me if I'm wrong but, isn't Akatosh's title the only one with the phrase, "God" in it? Akatosh, the Dragon God of time.
I believe he's the only one with it in, if the others have that, I'll have no choice but to accept that fact.

The Aedra are the way they are because of their participation in the creation of Mundus. They gave up pieces of themselves, which ruined them bad.

And no, other gods have the word "god" in their title. Read http://www.imperial-library.info/content/morrowind-varieties-faith-empire.

Ah, yes. I knew of the Aedra and their endeavors in the creation of Mundus. Thanks for the link.

Talos, also Ysmir, is referred to as "Dragon of the North"

Oh, ok! I see now about that. Although, Hm... If we actually kill the World Ender Alduin in Skyrim, then I'll know most my speculations can't be construed as truth being that would be Lorkhan is also dead, although since it is a God, I can't see a God dying so easily. It's strange since in this one, the antagonist is apparently an actual God. Hm, well thanks for giving me that Information Aradal. Glad to know theres some nice conversational type people.