***If you haven't completed the Shivering Isles main quest this thread will spoil tings for you... majorly.***


How do you think the new Sheogorath will be handled in future installments (like TES V for example; I'm pretty sure there will be Daedra shrines in it)? The champion of Cyrodiil could be of any race or gender, so the most logical solution would be to make a race/gender neutral Sheogorath. What do you think?

I just assumed he would be portrayed like any other DP. Maybe a mention of the events in the Shivering Isles, but I doubt that an in-game text would reveal a mortal taking the mantle of Sheogorath. But who knows, maybe they will.

if they did, it would kind of spoil it for people who havent played SI :slap:

Yea it would, but people have ample time to play SI before next November.

And OP, If they make notice of Sheogoraths gender I'd bet my bottom dollar he was portrayed as a male.

I think invites to realms, like in SI, happen more often than we realize.

I think the image of a Daedroth changes with Tamriel's cultures, like the Gods' depictions. I could be wrong, but that's my impression. Boethia is a woman in Daggerfall, Sheogorath is Chimeri, in Morrowind, Dagon can take several forms. So, OP, gender and race change with the culture, or even for the job.

My guess:
Sheogorath will be a blind, old man, with a frizzly ginger beard, and he'll offer boat rides to Atmora. They call him: the Ferryman.

I supposed that, with mantling, the player becomes more and more like Sheogorath over time. And to some extent doesn't even realize it. Becoming a crazy bearded man with an accent is just part of the job.

EDIT: Remember "The Santa Claus"? Where the dude mantles Santa Claus? yeah. Like that. :wink_smile:

Sheogorath is more as a title than an actual "person"
original Sheogorath was Jyggalag but he got to powerfull
please correct me if i am wrong.

I agree in that nothing necessarily needs to change. People portray their gods in different ways over the years and nobody needs to change anything really. It is the idea that counts and the symbolism is still the same. And in any case they could change into any shape they wanted. That it now appears as a dunmner or as an imperial makes no difference at all

I hated the ending of the Shivering Isles. Sheogorath was the [censored], but it turns out he was just some orderly ass-hole the entire time...

IDK what they'll do now.

Or you were just going crazy.

Or Sheogorath was having a Multiple Personality Moment.

Or, and this is my pet theory, you went crazy and because you were walking like Sheogorath, he had to walk like you until he realized that "This Throne Ain't Big Enough for the Both of Us." And then he threw down the gauntlet, but because one symbolic self couldn't fight itself, he had to retroactively adopt this creeping Jyggalag persona and then started inviting heroes in to stop it from happening. And then you stepped into SI, hearing the call, promptly went crazy, and then started walking like him. And so on. In other words, you engineered your own ascension and madness.

The new Sheogorath will be just like the old Sheogorath.

Didn't Haskill mention getting someone better suited for the job than the PC later on? The player character simply standing in for Sheogorath for a while untill they find a daedroth that is powerful enough and has the proper personality. Because I remember him saying the PC being Sheogorath was just a temporary solution.

Eeehh!... That's not how it works. Jyggalag calls the CoC many things; mortal, king, god and then Sheogorath, prince of madness.

It is through becoming Sheogorath's champion that the CoC is transformed into the madgod. A replacement would have to go through the same ordeal to become what the PC became and even then the PC would have to want to pass on his godhood, just as Sheogorath before him did - he isn't Lorkhan (with a disembodied heart, the only way his godhhod is taken is if he gives it up).

It's not about power once you become Sheogorath since the mortal aspect of the CoC was erased/super-imposed by the personification of the concept of madness/chaos/creativity. In other words he became the god and is no longer the CoC in any shape or form except in experiences.

Funny thing about temporary things: they tend to drag out much longer than you intend them too or become outright permanent.

So permanent, it was as though the original never left.

Funny that...

Sheo actually kinda does have multiple personality disorder. he and Jygglyag swich places fairly often due to there entantiomorphic relationship. this is wehere it get intersting though: they only switch once. Realms of oblivion are outside of Akatosh's power.

Naw, they just want you to think that. Akatosh was influencing the place long before the Daedra rolled into town. It was him that allowed them to roll into town. :hubbahubba:

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Actually Akatosh has no influence over Oblivion which has no limits, that includes time (Akatosh). Oblivion is an anomaly and somewhat of a contradiction, it is a place with precise definition yet lacking limitations.

Naw, they just want you to think that. Akatosh was influencing the place long before the Daedra rolled into town. It was him that allowed them to roll into town. :wink_smile:

http://knowyourmeme.com/i/125/original/wrong10.jpg

Whatever the case is, Haskill says that time works differently in the Shivering Isles. This is evident in the Isles; Ciirta was alive during the last Greymarch. Plus she and her Disciples went to Cyrodiil and dismantled the place Pelagius the Mad was kept, then rebuilt it brick by brick in the Shivering Isles.

Different doesn't imply malfunction.

Here's my preduction.

If/when you activate the shrine to Sheogorath in Skyrim, you'll be greeted with the familiar brogue of Wes Johnson's voice acting.

To the average mortal, it will appear as if nothing at all has changed. There will still be a Sheogorath and he will still be the Daedric Prince of Madness.