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» Sun Feb 21, 2010 6:56 am

I'm not, simply because I enjoy eating meat. I don't see how killing animals for food is wrong in any way, other animals kill each other all the time, and so saying that humans killing animals for the purpose of eating them is wrong makes no sense. I'm defininitely against animal cruelty, but eating animals is no problem for me.

» Sun Feb 21, 2010 12:07 pm

I have a moral objection to vegetarianism, and any other ideology that puts animals before humans. I love meat.

Speakign of which... fridge raid time!

» Sun Feb 21, 2010 12:51 pm

I have a moral objection to vegetarianism, and any other ideology that puts animals before humans. I love meat.

Speakign of which... fridge raid time!

If humans were to limit meat intake in order to keep our species going forward, would you be for it?

What I'm getting at is that limiting meat intake can be viewed as a means of sustainablity instead of placing one species over another.

» Sun Feb 21, 2010 12:47 pm

it is also instinct to move away from pain, if you have ever noticed some highways with high growing plants look a little square where trucks have hit it, it has been hit but it grows back into that shape to avoid being hurt again.

That doesn't mean it feels pain. It moves in that direction to avoid being hit more. Being hit means that it's leaves will be lost and it will starve. It knows that is bad, and avoids it. I don't see any purpose to pain on something that isn't concious.

And maybe eve screwed it up for every female period

Lol. ^_^

» Sun Feb 21, 2010 7:12 am

That doesn't mean it feels pain. It moves in that direction to avoid being hit more. Being hit means that it's leaves will be lost and it will starve. It knows that is bad, and avoids it. I don't see any purpose to pain on something that isn't concious.

isn't starvation a form of pain, and do you think that reflexes are concious?

» Sun Feb 21, 2010 4:26 pm

If it's kosher, I'll eat it.

Vegitarianism and Veganism are perfectly valid. In a way, of course. Denying yourself something you are given to consume is not exactly the best thing to do, but it's allowed.

» Sun Feb 21, 2010 7:07 pm

I like steak

» Sun Feb 21, 2010 6:56 pm

You couldn't have her over for dinner even if you made her an alternate because she spent the whole meal telling you how it's cruel to bees getting honey for that dressing, and how that cow had feelings. I eventually just quit having her over at all because I couldn't offer her anything without getting crap from it, how the hell do I know what you do and don't eat, I'm not a vegan.

I eat what I want, you can do the same....I try not to judge...just don't come tell me about what my cow felt as I inhale a steak!

Sounds like the worst type of vegan...One that doesn't understand the role of bees in the food they eat.

» Sun Feb 21, 2010 11:08 am

Sounds like the worst type of vegan...One that doesn't understand the role of bees in the food they eat.

Not to mention that honey is one of the most fantabulous things ever.

» Sun Feb 21, 2010 4:03 pm

I know alot of vegetarians and vegans, and I just have to say that it's honestly the dumbest thing I could see anyone doing if it's for non-religious reasons and to 'save animals.' They're not saving anything, and refusing to eat a cow that's already dead and ready to be cooked is just giving it to me, and I'd gladly eat it. I hate to see people turn down any sort of edible food that is healthy in some way that's offered to them; it makes them look like snobs, but I also respect my MANY friends opinions and they probably have just as strong views as I do. Or maybe they thought it'd be cool and grew to like it. Who knows; let them do what they want. I'd never do it.

» Sun Feb 21, 2010 12:21 pm

isn't starvation a form of pain, and do you think that reflexes are concious?

No. Only on a living animal. The plant instinively constantly tries to get sun. Reflexes aren't always concious. If you accidentaly put your hand on a hot pan, you'll quickly pull your hand away without thinking about it. It's instinct. Almost every living thing relies solely on instinct when in a dangerous environment.

I'd like to note I'm not a vegetarian against eating meat. Just ate a plate of sausages. I just don't think plants feel pain.

» Sun Feb 21, 2010 8:19 pm

but plants are alive too and they can actually feel pain

As someone who actually took college level biology, I refute your claim. They don't have nerve cells. They have http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plant_hormones and that's about it.

No nerve cells, no brain, no pain receptors. It's like asking "oh, gee, do you think this E. coli will feel pain if I slap it?"

Can plants react to damaged parts of themselves? Yeah, of course, they have an immune system. Can some react to touch? Uh-huh, that's the plant hormones thing again. Do they actually "feel" anything? No, they don't have a central nervous system.

» Sun Feb 21, 2010 6:38 pm

I want to point out that most meat that people, as in store-bought, is some of the lowest quality crap in existence. Unless you're buying that tiny piece that costs 40$, you're pretty much getting some of worse parts of the animal. And as for pork....gag me with a spoon if pig isn't the nastiess thing ever.

If you're gonna eat meat, go out and get it yourself. Learn to slaughter it yourself (and if you ever invite me over for dinner, make sure it was slaughtered kosher), or buy from grass-fed places.

For me, meat is more of a special occasion kind of thing. It's mostly grains and fruits with me. If something special is happening, we kill a fattened goat.

» Sun Feb 21, 2010 10:56 am

I don't get people who are fussy with meat. If I was out to a meal with someone who orders steak and repeatedly sends it back, I wouldn't wait for them to finish. If you don't like basic steak, don't order it. I'm leaving.

» Sun Feb 21, 2010 9:11 am

I want to point out that most meat that people, as in store-bought, is some of the lowest quality crap in existence. Unless you're buying that tiny piece that costs 40$, you're pretty much getting some of worse parts of the animal. And as for pork....gag me with a spoon if pig isn't the nastiess thing ever.

If you're gonna eat meat, go out and get it yourself. Learn to slaughter it yourself (and if you ever invite me over for dinner, make sure it was slaughtered kosher), or buy from grass-fed places.

For me, meat is more of a special occasion kind of thing. It's mostly grains and fruits with me. If something special is happening, we kill a fattened goat.

I agree that people should have more knowledge about how their food gets to their table, but I wonder about the practicality of people going out ot get their own meat, slaughtering, or buying grass-fed. How does one do that in a country (America) where 80% of the population is urban?

» Sun Feb 21, 2010 5:02 pm

I've been to a slaughterhouse. Only made me hungry

» Sun Feb 21, 2010 1:08 pm

I have a cousin who's a vegan for moral/ethical reasons, not health reasons. I'm cool with that. When people start yelling about how it's so much healthier for you, then I start to disagree with them, but I'm never out to change anyone's mind about what they want to do (just like with drinking or smoking).

I know how some of the animals I eat are slaughtered and others I have no clue, and I'm happy and healthy. I eat whatever I want (meat, veggies, fruits, fish, etc.) and I don't have to explain to anyone why.

@D-11: On that same page, I saw Super-Size Me. I never wanted fast food more in my life than after watching that movie.

» Sun Feb 21, 2010 5:47 pm

I agree that people should have more knowledge about how their food gets to their table, but I wonder about the practicality of people going out ot get their own meat, slaughtering, or buying grass-fed. How does one do that in a country (America) where 80% of the population is urban?

:unsure: For grass fed, there are places you can order it. I live just north of Austin, and that's how we get our beef. Luckily, we also know people that own land, so we also have a freezer full of deer.

And if you live in certain places, try to find a Kosher Butcher. Best damn meat you will ever have.

There is also a problem with our society when people would rather eat heaps of crap, rather than jump through a few hoops to get some decent grub.

» Sun Feb 21, 2010 9:40 am

I couldn't live without a big, juicy, tasty, mouth-watering piece of steak. Mmmmm. I don't mind vegetarianism, I mean more meat for me eh? I don't really understand it unless it's due to health issues, but it's none of my business anyway.

» Sun Feb 21, 2010 9:02 am

I just had Quorn chicken strip type things for dinner....if it was cheaper to buy Quorn I'd be a vegetarian....

» Sun Feb 21, 2010 11:16 am

I like meat and I don't want to have to jump through the hoops to get all my proteins and amino acids when they are all located in a singular source.

Proteins are made of amino acids; your body just takes them and breaks them down, so technically you can live without protein as long as you get amino acids. :grad:

» Sun Feb 21, 2010 7:58 pm

I never got vegans point of view on killing animals.
Animals kill animals for food. Are you mad at the animals..? Some odd logic there.
We are animals. Why can't we kill them?
Short answer: we can. And we will. And we will feast.

» Sun Feb 21, 2010 1:46 pm

I have incisors for a reason, and it's not to chew on leaves.

I like knowing what I ate was alive. And not just in the sense that plants are. Meh, maybe that's backwards thinking, or something.

» Sun Feb 21, 2010 1:02 pm

I just had Quorn chicken strip type things for dinner....if it was cheaper to buy Quorn I'd be a vegetarian....

Quorn causes salt crystals in your toes leading to gout.

A shame, because I like quorn more than land-bird (can't remember what they're called right now - the clucky ones).

» Sun Feb 21, 2010 1:02 pm

I don't get people who are fussy with meat. If I was out to a meal with someone who orders steak and repeatedly sends it back, I wouldn't wait for them to finish. If you don't like basic steak, don't order it. I'm leaving.

What? There's absolutely no such thing as basic steak. There's on average 5-6 different types of steak you can get in each restaurant and they all have their own way to be cooked. If you want to eat poorly cooked meat then that's your choice, but if I order a rare steak and it comes well done, I'm going to complain because that is two entirely different types of meat. You may as well say that if I order tomato soup and I get chicken that's okay and I should just like basic soup.