My thoughts on the Ka Po' Tun

Post » Thu Mar 31, 2011 2:39 pm

Ahh, I seem to have missed it. Probably in '06.

Uh, why are they eating it, then?


It's in one of the Aldudagga's http://www.imperial-library.info/obscure_text/aldudagga.shtml#3 actually.
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Post » Thu Mar 31, 2011 2:30 am

I'm not sure I follow the point of this whole argument. The tigers are actually dragons who look like canines because the Chinese had lions that vaguely looked like dragons but weren't. There's a whole heap of glaring logical leaps in there that I'm not going to bother pointing out. And besides, the khajiit did it simply enough with "[Alkosh] is depicted as a fearsome dragon, a creature the Khajiit say 'is just a real big cat'." without fart-arsing about with absurd meta-logic.


If you disregard the argument based on Fu Lions, There is still a Lore precedent for the Khajiit to be canine: http://www.gamesas.com/bgsforums/index.php?act=post&do=reply_post&f=16&t=883432 (Vulpines are not canines, but share the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canidae with them).

Since there are dogmer in Akavir, it's possible that they are (related to) Kahjiit too.
Still, I find it too much of a stretch to consider the possibilty that the Dragon is doglike, especially since Mysterious Akavir doesn't mention anything about them looking like dogs.
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Post » Thu Mar 31, 2011 9:45 am

Okay, I give up. :)
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Post » Thu Mar 31, 2011 4:36 am

It's in one of the Aldudagga's http://www.imperial-library.info/obscure_text/aldudagga.shtml#3 actually.


Well, lol, it is an amusing image.

But, there's little justification for it other than being weird for weird's sake I believe.
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Post » Thu Mar 31, 2011 1:35 pm

Okay, I give up. :)


You were trying too hard and focusing on things that really aren't important.
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Post » Thu Mar 31, 2011 5:00 am

You were trying too hard and focusing on things that really aren't important.


Agreed. :D

So, just so I've got my facts straight- Ka Po' Tun are like the Altmer in the way that they (theoretically) are descended from Auri-El/Akatosh, but unlike the Altmer, they're taking a slightly more proactive approach in their desire to break free from the mortal plane and take their rightful place among the Aedra/Ancestors by trying to "become" Akatosh, or at least avatars of him.

I'll admit I don't have a very strong grasp on the finer points of ES lore, but have I got that much right? :confused:

Although I still believe they don't look anything like Khajiit.
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Post » Thu Mar 31, 2011 5:21 am

Agreed. :D

So, just so I've got my facts straight- Ka Po' Tun are like the Altmer in the way that they (theoretically) are descended from Auri-El/Akatosh, but unlike the Altmer, they're taking a slightly more proactive approach in their desire to break free from the mortal plane and take their rightful place among the Aedra/Ancestors by trying to "become" Akatosh, or at least avatars of him.

I'll admit I don't have a very strong grasp on the finer points of ES lore, but have I got that much right? :confused:

Although I still believe they don't look anything like Khajiit.



I don't know where anyone on this forum got such a theory. Not much is known about the Ka Po Tun, so your theory is just as valid.
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Post » Thu Mar 31, 2011 4:13 pm

Agreed. :D

So, just so I've got my facts straight- Ka Po' Tun are like the Altmer in the way that they (theoretically) are descended from Auri-El/Akatosh, but unlike the Altmer, they're taking a slightly more proactive approach in their desire to break free from the mortal plane and take their rightful place among the Aedra/Ancestors by trying to "become" Akatosh, or at least avatars of him.

I'll admit I don't have a very strong grasp on the finer points of ES lore, but have I got that much right? :confused:

Although I still believe they don't look anything like Khajiit.


Sure, it's all for fun anyway. That's why I found the descended from thing interesting. Not that I can prove it.

I don't know where anyone on this forum got such a theory. Not much is known about the Ka Po Tun, so your theory is just as valid.


The quote Jara mentioned in his OP sounds like the same as the events of the Anuad and other creation myths. Course, that's also because they're written by the same [censored] guy. Ya know, replace "dragons" with "gods" and snakes and tigers with "man" and "mer." That's if you actually read and pay attention.
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Post » Thu Mar 31, 2011 2:12 pm

I don't know where anyone on this forum got such a theory. Not much is known about the Ka Po Tun, so your theory is just as valid.


Well, it works. Meshes with my 'draconic ancestry' theory nicely. Thing is, they're not Elven-looking, so they could very well look like draconic cats- ie. Fu Lions.

Admittedly beyond that, the rest of my theory (that the dog-pirates are the cat-dragons) is a little on the holey side. It could work, but it's unlikely, and would only further confuse the issue.
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Post » Thu Mar 31, 2011 12:47 am

...the dragons originated in Akavir, an Asian-influenced continent.


Source?
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Post » Thu Mar 31, 2011 2:36 am

Source?


I suppose I just naturally assumed. The Tsaesci at least are pretty obviously asian-influenced, but admittedly i'm not sure about the rest. :)

Unless you meant the dragon part?
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Post » Thu Mar 31, 2011 4:27 am

Well, lol, it is an amusing image.

But, there's little justification for it other than being weird for weird's sake I believe.

It doesn't really work in the context of this debate, though, as the strength of its humour is based on the fact that it's such incongruous imagery. Wasabi! In a viking story! That's unexpected!

Still, the idea Akaviri dragons must be Asian because they come from the east and also the they changed into western dragons when they went west is silly. And a setting certainly shouldn't be dictated by its inspirations. Especially not to the point where we can guess what a dragon looks like based on which cardinal direction it's stuck in, then make a whole heap of odd deductions from what people in that cardinal direction in the real world do and what we think their stuff looks like.
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Post » Thu Mar 31, 2011 4:20 pm

I seriously think that most of the people in this thread have put more thought into this than the dev's have. It's not even in a game yet, so most of this crap isn't even gonna be that well thought out. Ever think that maybe that is the reason there is not a lot of present lore for it yet?
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Post » Thu Mar 31, 2011 6:26 am

I seriously think that most of the people in this thread have put more thought into this than the dev's have. It's not even in a game yet, so most of this crap isn't even gonna be that well thought out. Ever think that maybe that is the reason there is not a lot of present lore for it yet?


Oh please, nothing new was said in this thread.
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Post » Thu Mar 31, 2011 1:19 am

Oh please, nothing new was said in this thread.

Either way, a lot of people on the lore forum seem to forget that this is made up by a group of dudes. There will be gaps and contradictions. And the gaps actually EXIST, they aren't stuff you can research or figure out because a lot of the time the guys who are coming up with this [censored] just haven't yet. There are questions that just don't have answers. It's fun to speculate about a lot of it, like the OP did, but the people that came in here to bash him are kind of missing the whole "speculation" part.
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Post » Thu Mar 31, 2011 2:33 am

Either way, a lot of people on the lore forum seem to forget that this is made up by a group of dudes. There will be gaps and contradictions. And the gaps actually EXIST, they aren't stuff you can research or figure out because a lot of the time the guys who are coming up with this [censored] just haven't yet. There are questions that just don't have answers. It's fun to speculate about a lot of it, like the OP did, but the people that came in here to bash him are kind of missing the whole "speculation" part.


What you said is pretty obvious. I'm slightly puzzled what you're dissatsifed by specifically, but honestly I don't feel up to noticing it. No one's bashing him, at least no one here is being malicious. People have a right to question about the OP, especially since some don't believe in the basis of his assumptions, like Akavir is just an Asian-influenced continent. And my view on this is largely that I find speculation on things like appearance to be irrelevant. Really, I'm not all too curious at what they look like preferring the quote in the OP.
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Post » Thu Mar 31, 2011 3:21 am

Closed by request of the OP.
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