Three Dog is a hypocrite

Post » Tue Jul 19, 2011 1:31 am

"People of the Capital Wasteland, it is I Three Dog, your ruler. Hear me, and obey! Oh sorry, that's that other radio station. I'm totally not like that, good fight all the way, bow-wow. Say no to opression. BTW, I won't tell you where your dad is unless you do as I tell you to."

Anyone else thought that he was a hypocrite. Even though it might have been for a good cause, by witholding information about your dad, he essentially was blackmailing an inexperienced, confused and lost, helpless 19 year old kid.
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Alex [AK]
 
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Post » Tue Jul 19, 2011 4:55 am

I agree. He could have given the info and then said "now that I helped you maybe you could do something for me."

He gets you to do all that and in the end he does not know for sure, so he is a lier as well.
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Post » Tue Jul 19, 2011 7:15 am

He's just another [censored] trying to control you. Thats why i killed him.
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Rudi Carter
 
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Post » Tue Jul 19, 2011 3:25 am

He's just another [censored] trying to control you. Thats why i killed him.

I would have killed him as well, but unfortunatly I like his show. :sadvaultboy:
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Alycia Leann grace
 
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Post » Mon Jul 18, 2011 7:08 pm

Ask you to do him a favor in exchange for another favor doesn't make him a hypocrite, considering you had to fight your way to Galaxy News Radio just to talk with him to begin with he's not underestimating your ability to get the job done, what he doesn't know is if you'll keep your word, which is why there's a speech check to skip doing the quest. If you accept the offer, then find Dr. Li on your own, then do the quest anyway he rewards you with the key to a little treasure trove ask thanks.
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Post » Tue Jul 19, 2011 3:30 am

Ask you to do him a favor in exchange for another favor doesn't make him a hypocrite, considering you had to fight your way to Galaxy News Radio just to talk with him to begin with he's not underestimating your ability to get the job done, what he doesn't know is if you'll keep your word, which is why there's a speech check to skip doing the quest. If you accept the offer, then find Dr. Li on your own, then do the quest anyway he rewards you with the key to a little treasure trove ask thanks.

Yeah, killing the Behemoth wasn't any kind of a favour at all :rolleyes:. Three Dog really is a [censored]-bag.
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Post » Tue Jul 19, 2011 8:56 am

Yeah, killing the Behemoth wasn't any kind of a favour at all :rolleyes:. Three Dog really is a [censored]-bag.

The brotherhood was there defending the station too you know. Three Dog doesn't need another body defending the station he needs someone strong and capable to fix the antena and one just walks in the door.
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Alex Vincent
 
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Post » Tue Jul 19, 2011 1:30 am

I agree with those that say he's a hypocrite.

"Nuh uh kid, you don't get to know where your daddy is unless you fix my dish".
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Post » Mon Jul 18, 2011 5:08 pm

Knowledge is wealth.

What are you, a communist?

He is simply making use of what he knows. Unlike John Henry Eden, he is being relatively honest about things, including the extent of his knowledge. Whether you make a deal with him or not is up to you.
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Post » Mon Jul 18, 2011 8:17 pm

Knowledge is power.

He is simply making use of what he knows.


Thats the thing though, once you do his little deed he isn't really sure about where your dad is. He points you in a general direction, but I hardly think that was worth sending a 19 year old kid into the heart of the DC supermutant territory for. :shrug: So he's being manipulative.
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Post » Tue Jul 19, 2011 6:51 am

Ask you to do him a favor in exchange for another favor doesn't make him a hypocrite, considering you had to fight your way to Galaxy News Radio just to talk with him to begin with he's not underestimating your ability to get the job done, what he doesn't know is if you'll keep your word, which is why there's a speech check to skip doing the quest. If you accept the offer, then find Dr. Li on your own, then do the quest anyway he rewards you with the key to a little treasure trove ask thanks.

That's one hell of a favor he asks me to do for basically a " I think he went that-a-way" anwer.
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Post » Mon Jul 18, 2011 10:21 pm

I disliked him greatly for that, I went out through supermutant territory with two stealth boys (I used up the second one right in front of a supermutant!) at level six just to know where my character's dad is and he tells me about how he headed to Rivet City, was that such a big deal to withhold the information that my character's dad talked to him and then went down to the most heavily populated settlement in the CW?

I was killed six times through his manipulation, but his show makes up for it IMO.
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Post » Mon Jul 18, 2011 4:52 pm

I can understand why one might be somewhat upset at Three Dog for asking you to do something... but honestly it does not make him a hypocrite. If he said "I am against all forms of remuneration and compensation, everything should be given away for free!" Then asked you for the favor, he'd be a hyprocrite. But he doesn't say that. Or anything similar. He DOES, however, explain his situation very well in that what he's doing is "fighting the good fight" and that if he can't get the message out he's not doing all he can. So he asks you, a wastelander who'se already proven their abilities, to help him with this. It's not hyprocritical, it's COMPLETELY in character!

Plus if you're not a complete waste of space when it comes to talking to people (speech), you can talk it out of him quite easilly without ever doing the mission. Don't get all up in Three Dogs grill about being a hyprocrite when you just don't know how to talk to people.

AWOOOO!!!
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Post » Mon Jul 18, 2011 10:37 pm

He is a hypocrite. One day he is practically in love with me and singing praises to the capital wasteland about me for fixing his antenna. The next, he is calling me a scumbag for not helping some snot-nosed kid with an ant problem. Now, he will die.
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Post » Tue Jul 19, 2011 5:12 am

I can understand why one might be somewhat upset at Three Dog for asking you to do something... but honestly it does not make him a hypocrite. If he said "I am against all forms of remuneration and compensation, everything should be given away for free!" Then asked you for the favor, he'd be a hyprocrite. But he doesn't say that. Or anything similar. He DOES, however, explain his situation very well in that what he's doing is "fighting the good fight" and that if he can't get the message out he's not doing all he can. So he asks you, a wastelander who'se already proven their abilities, to help him with this. It's not hyprocritical, it's COMPLETELY in character!

Plus if you're not a complete waste of space when it comes to talking to people (speech), you can talk it out of him quite easilly without ever doing the mission. Don't get all up in Three Dogs grill about being a hyprocrite when you just don't know how to talk to people.

AWOOOO!!!



There is no other way to put it.

And if he just said "Yo, your Dad is in XX, but could you please go completely out of your way into super-mutant infested ruins and fix my dish so I can talk to people in the wasteland.... Please."
Would you go? NO, you wouldn't would you?

Plus, if you really liked the show, then you would want to fix it so you can listen to him anywhere.

You guys are the hypocrites!
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Post » Tue Jul 19, 2011 5:23 am

He could have given us options. A lot of quests in the Originals are given simply by people asking. After the quests you get options like: "I want double the pay" "No payment is needed, I like to help." Things like that.

He could have offered us money. He could have given us some good will with DC. If there was a reputation system he could have made a deal to let the people know you are a good guy. Could have run into someone else along the way that wants you to do the quest but get rid of Three Dog so he can take over.

He is a lier and a hypocrite.
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Post » Tue Jul 19, 2011 7:02 am

And if he just said "Yo, your Dad is in XX, but could you please go completely out of your way into super-mutant infested ruins and fix my dish so I can talk to people in the wasteland.... Please."
Would you go? NO, you wouldn't would you?


So his show's important enough to send a 19 year old kid looking for his Dad into the DC hellhole?

No I wouldn't help him if he just told me, but thats beside the point. If he is truly a well meaning person, he should just tell the LW and ask for a favor in return, if the LW doesn't comply, then that should be fine. Why does he have to have something for something? Especially when his "something" is pretty much worthlesss to begin with, and he acts like he knows more than he does?

And all this "fighting the good fight" buisiness is bullcrap. No matter how he spins it (fighting the good fight "WITH MY VOICE!!" :rolleyes: ) all he does is sit up in a studio and jabber all day, while having others (including 19 year old kids) fight his battles for him. If nothing else, he's a hypocrite in that respect.

but honestly it does not make him a hypocrite. If he said "I am against all forms of remuneration and compensation, everything should be given away for free!"


Claiming to "fight the good fight" against oppression and injustice, and then performing a form of extortion on a 19 year old kid is hypocrisy, plain and simple.
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Post » Tue Jul 19, 2011 5:04 am

He's also a [anything_offensive] to the power of three.

If I met a guy like that in real life, I would break my vow and then break his face.
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Dagan Wilkin
 
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Post » Mon Jul 18, 2011 8:36 pm

It's funny how every one is everyone is acting angry toward a video game character. No offense
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Post » Mon Jul 18, 2011 6:18 pm

I would have killed him as well, but unfortunatly I like his show. :sadvaultboy:

He says such lovely things about you! I killed him before and it was so laaaaaame.
The moral of the story is, out talk the radio host: all your dreams will come true (I think I formed this sentence incorrectly)
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Post » Mon Jul 18, 2011 4:28 pm

But it's NOT hypocricy. Hypocricy is to pretend that you have beliefs or standards that you do not really have. Three Dog asking you for a favor in return for what he knows is not pretending to be anything that he does not claim to be. And what he claims to be is an egotistical guy who wants to get the word out to people about whatever he feels is wrong. Him asking you to fix his antenna is not a hyprocritical act in this view.

It is completely besides the point whether or not he's a windbag who's egotistical world view is unhelpful to the world around him. That still doesn't make him a hyprocrite for asking for help getting his message out - rather, it makes him more of an egotist and establishes firmly his character's actual standing and what he really cares about: His show.

You people that are arguing that he's a hyprocrite really don't understand what the word means, basically... either that or you really don't understand Three Dog. He really does believe in what he says. But when he explains what he's doing he's not pretending to have virtues that he does not. Hyprocricy is NOT failing to live up to your own standards, it's pretending to be something you're not. An alcoholic who tells you that drinking is bad for you is not being a hypocrite, if he truly knows it to be so. He does not pretend to be anything he is not, and truly does believe what he's saying.

And I must restate. If it really bothers you that much make sure you've tagged Speech and pop a Mentat before you talk to him. He'll give up the info if you can outfox him.
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Post » Mon Jul 18, 2011 11:31 pm

But it's NOT hypocricy.


hy·poc·ri·sy? ?[hi-pok-ruh-see]

–noun, plural -sies.
1. a pretense of having a virtuous character, moral or religious beliefs or principles, etc., that one does not really possess.

Example: Three Dog maintains the pretense of being a virtuous person, and "fighting the good fight" against in-justice and opppression, while he does not really possess them and as an example of his lax moral standards, he extorts a 19 year old kid looking for his dad into DC supermutant territory on the false promise of information on his Dad, which turns out to not be not what he orginally implied and little more than rumours.

Seems to be a pretty exact definition to me. :shrug:
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Post » Tue Jul 19, 2011 2:34 am

I agree with those that say he's a hypocrite.

"Nuh uh kid, you don't get to know where your daddy is unless you fix my dish".

To be honest information is a big commodity in the wastes he is just another wastlander trying to scraqe by so i can see why he done that you don't get nothing for free in the apocalypse kiddies.
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Post » Tue Jul 19, 2011 8:43 am

I wouldn't say three dog is a hypocrite.
The CW is a pretty savage place which runs a "if you scratch my back I'll scratch yours" philosophy.
3 dog had information you needed but wanted a favour in return, nothing wrong with that.
Remember, right outside GNR you kicked a Behemoths [censored] so your abilities aren't exactly crap.
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