Tiber Septim reincarnated?

Post » Thu Dec 08, 2011 8:08 am

I was doing some leisurely reading on TES lore earlier this evening when I came across this in regards to Tiber Septim....

"He was born in Atmora under the name Talos, meaning Stormcrown in the old Ehlnofey. He spent his youth in Skyrim, where he learned the ancient art of the Tongues as well as the strategies of war from the chieftains there. At the age of 20, he led the invasion of Old Hrol'dan, taking it back from the Witchmen of High Rock. Soon after, growing storms made it known that the Greybeards were about to speak. As nearby villages were being evacuated, Talos traveled up the mountains the Greybeards called home, where they removed their gags and spoke his name, causing the World to shake. The Greybeards told Talos that he would come to rule Tamriel, but he must go south to do so.
Talos became General of the Colovian Estates under King (and later Emperor) Cuhlecain. General Talos met the combined army of Skyrim and High Rock on the field of Sancre Tor, who were hostile to Cuhlecain. The Skyrim army joined him when they saw him use the thu'um and knew him to be the son of Skyrim and heir to the Empires of Men. But the Bretons saw things differently. The general was almost killed in 2E 854 by a High Rock nightblade who managed to slit his throat and kill Emperor Cuhlecain. Although he could no longer use the Voice, he went on to command Tamriel with a whisper. He took the Cyrodilic name Tiber Septim, as well as "Ysmir, the Dragon of the North", the Nordic Name of Kings (also called more simply "Ysmir, Dragon of the North". Tiber Septim died in 3E 38."
(http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Tiber_Septim)

While I highly doubt you read all that, if you do you will find some intriguing similarities between Tiber Septim and what we know about our character in Skyrim. Are these similarities simply drawn from the fact that they are both Dragonborn, or could there be something deeper? I'll be honest, the first thing that popped into my head was the possibility of Tiber Septim being reincarnated.

Call me crazy....maybe I'm losing my mind because I want to play this game so badly. Anyway, fire away with your comments. Is this plausible, or no?
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Post » Thu Dec 08, 2011 4:26 am

It'd be plausible if Tiber Septim wasn't currently a God.

"We're sorry. The soul you're looking for is not available for re-incarnation. Please leave a message after the beep, or call Azura for Customer Support."
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Post » Wed Dec 07, 2011 11:01 pm

The only similarities i really see are that they are in Skyrim and they are Dragonborns.
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Post » Thu Dec 08, 2011 1:49 am

Talos will likely have something to do with the main quest. He is kinda banned and stuff by the Empire. He could be anything from the dragon we befriend to the soul in our chest, it's hard to say. We could mantle him, walk like he did until we are him. Who knows.
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Post » Wed Dec 07, 2011 7:05 pm

It'd be plausible if Tiber Septim wasn't currently a God.

"We're sorry. The soul you're looking for is not available for re-incarnation. Please leave a message after the beep, or call Azura for Customer Support."


Isn't Akatosh a God as well? What's he doing in Skyrim?
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Post » Thu Dec 08, 2011 6:47 am

Talos will likely have something to do with the main quest. He is kinda banned and stuff by the Empire. He could be anything from the dragon we befriend to the soul in our chest, it's hard to say. We could mantle him, walk like he did until we are him. Who knows.


Personally, I think that would be freakin' awesome.
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Post » Thu Dec 08, 2011 1:31 am

Well... Akatosh isnt getting reincarnated, now is he? Just as with Talos, Akatosh′s soul is currently busy.
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Post » Thu Dec 08, 2011 8:21 am

We have no connection to the Septims, confirmed by Todd I believe. And its not Akatosh, its Alduin, their the same only in sense that their schitzo entitys of the same being.
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Post » Wed Dec 07, 2011 8:37 pm

It'd be plausible if Tiber Septim wasn't currently a God.

"We're sorry. The soul you're looking for is not available for re-incarnation. Please leave a message after the beep, or call Azura for Customer Support."

Well if Alduin is Akatosh (which I believe he is), then perhaps Talos/Tiber Septim opposed him and was cast out of godhood, leaving his soul available for reincarnation?
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Post » Wed Dec 07, 2011 11:30 pm

"He was born in Atmora under the name Talos, meaning Stormcrown in the old Ehlnofey. He spent his youth in Skyrim, where he learned the ancient art of the Tongues as well as the strategies of war from the chieftains there. At the age of 20, he led the invasion of Old Hrol'dan, taking it back from the Witchmen of High Rock. Soon after, growing storms made it known that the Greybeards were about to speak. As nearby villages were being evacuated, Talos traveled up the mountains the Greybeards called home, where they removed their gags and spoke his name, causing the World to shake. The Greybeards told Talos that he would come to rule Tamriel, but he must go south to do so.
Talos became General of the Colovian Estates under King (and later Emperor) Cuhlecain. General Talos met the combined army of Skyrim and High Rock on the field of Sancre Tor, who were hostile to Cuhlecain. The Skyrim army joined him when they saw him use the thu'um and knew him to be the son of Skyrim and heir to the Empires of Men. But the Bretons saw things differently. The general was almost killed in 2E 854 by a High Rock nightblade who managed to slit his throat and kill Emperor Cuhlecain. Although he could no longer use the Voice, he went on to command Tamriel with a whisper. He took the Cyrodilic name Tiber Septim, as well as "Ysmir, the Dragon of the North", the Nordic Name of Kings (also called more simply "Ysmir, Dragon of the North". Tiber Septim died in 3E 38."


So if the "original" Tiber Septim was Hjalti Early-beard from High Rock, is this depiction of "Talos" the Wulfharth aspect of him?
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Post » Wed Dec 07, 2011 11:09 pm

I think you're very much on the right track. But it's not so much "Tiber reborn" as "Aspect of Shor", which both he and we are.
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Post » Wed Dec 07, 2011 6:57 pm

I think you're very much on the right track. But it's not so much "Tiber reborn" as "Aspect of Shor", which both he and we are.


I'm spouting what I think I know to try and crystallize it, so bear with me and correct me if I'm wrong: Wulfharth ascended Snow-Throat and besought the Greybeards, they blasted him to ash saying he was not the one Then he went to aid Hjalti, gave him victory, got him named Talos, and the two became partners in crime. Blah blah blah, Numidium, Arctus, Mantella, the three actors become the oversoul Talos. History is rewritten/remade saying that it was "Talos" who ascended Snow-Throat, and was accepted by the Greybeards, because these three men are now the same entity. Yes?
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Post » Wed Dec 07, 2011 7:12 pm

I'm spouting what I think I know to try and crystallize it, so bear with me and correct me if I'm wrong: Wulfharth ascended Snow-Throat and besought the Greybeards, they blasted him to ash saying he was not the one Then he went to aid Hjalti, gave him victory, got him named Talos, and the two became partners in crime. Blah blah blah, Numidium, Arctus, Mantella, the three actors become the oversoul Talos. History is rewritten/remade saying that it was "Talos" who ascended Snow-Throat, and was accepted by the Greybeards, because these three men are now the same entity. Yes?

Yes! Note that there's ambiguity with who's who and who's where pre-ascension, because the three are all one post-ascension. But yeah, you've got it.
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Post » Thu Dec 08, 2011 7:10 am

Yes! Note that there's ambiguity with who's who and who's where pre-ascension, because the three are all one post-ascension. But yeah, you've got it.


Thanks. I've been struggling with the Talos enigma for a loooong time. Glad to have some clarity before Skyrim's release.
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