Time based crash

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 6:25 am

(Apologies if this post belongs elsewhere. Please feel free to move this into the FWE thread when the next one is created)
[EDIT: This is now solved! seems to be related to Companion Core in Robco Certified]

I experience consistent crashes at a certian time of day, since upgrading to the new version of FWE.

Mainly I am running the FWE-recommened mods with the FOIP packages (Load order is spoilered below)

Things seemed fine until a couple of hours after doing the FWE upgrade.
(I had upgraded MMM previous to that without issues.)

Then at 4:45, at 11/17/77, I get consistent CTD's.
First I'm thinking that it is related to incompatible Chem or critter-Food bonuses between the two versions, but the dispellAllSpells console command doesnt seem to help with that, and I havent found any helpful log files.

One thing I avoided doing post-install was waiting for a cell reset - but i figured that wasnt a big deal since I had a recent save of fresh cells from doing the MMM upgrade, and figured I could load from there and wait if i really had to. .... But it turns out that waiting in that room ALSO causes a crash.
Even loading an old save in a basemant in Tranquility Lane gives me a CTD when waiting!

And now I also get the same crashes when i uninstall FWE + MMM and try the previous versions!
(If I try playing with too many unloaded modules, often the saves dont even load)

New games seem to work OK, but I was really close to finishing my first playthru and dont want to start over again

Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated!

Load Order (gets MasterUpdated, havent figured out GaryBash yet):

Spoiler

Fallout3.esm
Anchorage.esm
ThePitt.esm
BrokenSteel.esm
PointLookout.esm
Zeta.esm
CRAFT.esm
CALIBR.esm
Project Beauty.esm
FO3 Wanderers Edition - Main File.esm
Mart's Mutant Mod.esm
Companion Core.esm
RobCo Certified v2.esm
Xepha's Dynamic Weather.esm
StreetLights.esm
DCInteriors_ComboEdition.esm
RH_IRONSIGHTS.esm
DarNifiedUIF3.esp
Project Beauty- Broken Steel.esp
Project Beauty- Point Lookout.esp
=Subtle+Very Far=DOF1.1.esp
=Medium=MotionBlur1.1.esp
CASM.esp
RH_IronSights_Basic_VanillaPlugin.esp
RH_IronSights_Basic_PittPlugin.esp
RH_IronSights_Basic_PointLookoutPlugin.esp
GeneratorSound.esp
GalaxyNewsRadio100[M].esp
PreWar Book Titles and Perks.esp
NotSoFast.esp
HeirApparent.esp
IntoTheDeepWoods.esp
PLweightadjust.esp
PLFewerItems.esp
MaintenanceShed.esp
Rivet City Realignment.esp
WolfCustomDeagle.esp
FO3 Wanderers Edition - Main File.esp
FO3 Wanderers Edition - DLC Anchorage.esp
FO3 Wanderers Edition - DLC The Pitt.esp
FO3 Wanderers Edition - DLC Broken Steel.esp
FO3 Wanderers Edition - DLC Point Lookout.esp
FO3 Wanderers Edition - DLC Mothership Zeta.esp
FO3 Wanderers Edition - Alternate Travel.esp
FO3 Wanderers Edition - Followers Enhanced (BrokenSteel).esp
FO3 Wanderers Edition - Optional Restore Tracers.esp
FO3 Wanderers Edition - Optional VATS Halftime.esp
FO3 Wanderers Edition - Optional Restore Tracers (automatics only).esp
FO3 Wanderers Edition - Project Beauty.esp
FO3 Wanderers Edition - Project Beauty (Followers Enhanced).esp
WeaponModKits.esp
WMK-RH IronSights.esp
WeaponModKits - FWE Master Release.esp
WeaponModKits - OperationAnchorage.esp
WeaponModKits - ThePitt.esp
WeaponModKits - BrokenSteel.esp
WeaponModKits - PointLookout.esp
WeaponModKits - Zeta.esp
patch-rh-eve.esp
marl_override.esp
EVE.esp
EVE Operation Anchorage.esp
EVE - FWE Master Release.esp
EVE - FWE Master Release (Follower Enhanced).esp
EVE Anchorage - FWE DLC Anchorage.esp
EVE - FWE with WeaponModKits.esp
Mart's Mutant Mod.esp
Mart's Mutant Mod - DLC Anchorage.esp
Mart's Mutant Mod - DLC The Pitt.esp
Mart's Mutant Mod - DLC Broken Steel.esp
Mart's Mutant Mod - DLC Point Lookout.esp
Mart's Mutant Mod - DLC Zeta.esp
Mart's Mutant Mod - Master Menu Module.esp
Mart's Mutant Mod - Project Beauty.esp
Mart's Mutant Mod - FWE Master Release.esp
Mart's Mutant Mod - Project Beauty + FWE.esp
pip30.esp
BringBackBael.esp
megalight.esp
Realistic Interior Lighting.esp
Realistic Interior Lighting - BS.esp
Realistic Interior Lighting - OA.esp
Xepha's Dynamic Weather - Main.esp
Xepha's Dynamic Weather - Anchorage.esp
Xepha's Dynamic Weather - The Pitt.esp
Xepha's Dynamic Weather - Broken Steel.esp
Xepha's Dynamic Weather - Point Lookout.esp
merged.esp

Total active plugins: 88
Total plugins: 95

*marloverride is just to restore reservists' rifle

» Fri Feb 18, 2011 8:10 pm

Even loading an old save in a basemant in Tranquility Lane gives me a CTD when waiting!

you mean- you in the Tranquility Lane main quest now?
I recommend you to reinstall old version of FWE, finish this quest, return back to your home and make upgrade here.
You must have PROPER upgrade. No matter you don't reinstall MMM, if you use FWE+MMM, you must make proper upgrade each time when you make upgrade to MMM or FWE.

One thing I avoided doing post-install was waiting for a cell reset - but i figured that wasnt a big deal

You are wrong, and your crash at 4:45 (AM?) tell me this. You have night/morning switch, when respawn usually occur. You must wait in the safe place, such as Megaton or Tenpenny house, which isolated from all NPC, except companions, but better- from all NPC. And you must wait in interior cell, truly isolated from exterior area, Tranquility Lane don't have such cells.

» Fri Feb 18, 2011 9:20 pm

you mean- you in the Tranquility Lane main quest now?
I recommend you to reinstall old version of FWE, finish this quest, return back to your home and make upgrade here.
You must have PROPER upgrade. No matter you don't reinstall MMM, if you use FWE+MMM, you must make proper upgrade each time when you make upgrade to MMM or FWE.
[....]
You are wrong, and your crash at 4:45 (AM?) tell me this. You have night/morning switch, when respawn usually occur. You must wait in the safe place, such as Megaton or Tenpenny house, which isolated from all NPC, except companions, but better- from all NPC. And you must wait in interior cell, truly isolated from exterior area, Tranquility Lane don't have such cells.

I'm not in Tranquility Lane now, I just loaded an old save in there to see if i could deduct the possibility of NPC spawns from the problem. ( when I first saw the issue I was fast traveling from Shalebridge to Megaton)

crash is at 4:42 PM, I should have said...

Im pretty sure I tried loading a save from the upper interior floor of one of the satelite tracking stations, with the previous FWE, and waited there, but I got a CTD while waiting.
Guess I should try again, though I was hoping for less time-consuming and more promising options...

I always though it was strange the the installation steps have you waiting AFTER doing the upgrade and not before or both.

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 1:04 am

Guess I should try again, though I was hoping for less time-consuming and more promising options...

I'm sorry for your troubles, but to tell the truth, even MMM- type upgrade procedure can help not always. New game- often can be one only solution for such types of troubles.
I will make one example. The whole upgrade procedure based on the following facts:
1. All enemies in the visited areas was killed
2. If during your travels you opened some spawn points- they will be visited and cleared.
If you will fulfill all of this- you are almost safe. This mean all killed monsters will be properly respawned anew, and all non-visited areas will not have monsters generated.
If some of the monsters still be alive, it will be from old FWE/MMM, they will not respawn properly and it can raise all sorts of troubles.

I always though it was strange the the installation steps have you waiting AFTER doing the upgrade and not before or both.

With MMM you need full upgrade procedure, with waiting before and after. New MMM must be installed on clear game, because it always change spawn methods, characteristics of template- type creatures and such things. FWE don't make such radical changes, so full upgrade procedure often not needed. But you can do this, to be safe.

crash is at 4:42 PM, I should have said...

This mean you are at day/evening transition. I don't have experience at this time of the day, but crash at one time of the day tell me you have spawn generation issue. This is most worst case, as I can tell.
Sorry, I'm not big helper in MMM and spawn things, but I spend many time in MMM testings and all what I told you- from my own experience and from my own troubles.

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 6:52 am

I have had the same problem before and after upgrading FWE, but I don't use MMM for my current playthrough. I sometimes fix it by disabling some mods, though I can't really say the cause of it. I have disabled an older version of Companion Core along with its realated mods and that fixed it. I don't think its these mods per se. Its just how it interacts with what mods I already have going.

I even had this same CTD at a certain time problem in Morrowind once while waiting for my Hlaalu manor to be built.

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 5:51 am

I have had the same problem before and after upgrading FWE, but I don't use MMM for my current playthrough. I sometimes fix it by disabling some mods, though I can't really say the cause of it. I have disabled an older version of Companion Core along with its realated mods and that fixed it. I don't think its these mods per se. Its just how it interacts with what mods I already have going.

I even had this same CTD at a certain time problem in Morrowind once while waiting for my Hlaalu manor to be built.

Fixed !!!

I had just removed FWE and the related FOIP's when I noticed your post, so I went ahead and disabled Robco (which includes companion core), which was bugged anyway.
(couldnt get the newer perks to recruit anything but protectrons).

I re-enabled the FWE + FOIP patches, and immediately- no more crashes!!

Thanks so much to Delamer and Dustin81 for the prompt and informative replies!

(PS,
Anyone know of a script that allows you to wait/sleep for multiple days instead of just hours?)

» Fri Feb 18, 2011 9:31 pm

You can sleep indefinitely by opening the console while sleeping. I'm not sure if there are any negative consequences from doing it though (none so far for me).

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 6:20 am

Anyone know of a script that allows you to wait/sleep for multiple days instead of just hours?)

With DarnUI- you can
Find Data, Menus, Prefabs, DUIF3Settings.xml
Open it with any text editor
Find Sleep/wait menu
Change hours here

Time based crash - post FWE upgrade