I dont think the speech skill needs changing as such, id hate to see the skill go or be swapped for an intimidate/persuade skill. Id rather just see a greater use of other skill checks in conjunction with the speech skill.

Speech + Charisma = Good at Persuasion
Speech + Strength/Endurance/a particularly big gun in your hands = good at intimidation.


The speech skill should be reflecting the character's eloquence and ability to discuss the topic clearly and convincingly. Realistically, the gun nut shouldn't need the speech skill to discuss anything about guns, unless of course it came to a debate where someone need convincing or if he's trying to help someone understand something particularly complex, in which case a decent speech skill would be a requirement.

I think a good real life example of this is a teacher i had at school. The guy had a PhD in maths, so he was undoubtedly pretty knowledgeable but he could not for the life of him explain how to actually do anything. So, in this example obviously one skill is through the roof, but rendered useless by the inability to actually speak properly!

I think many people will recognize they had teachers like that... knowledgable in their area of expertise, but oh can't they hold a lecture for a couple dozen youths. Then I've also had those teachers (or just substitutes) who are pretty charismatic but not that knowledgable with what they're teaching.

No! I didnt even know if it was a skill check or a random conversation, like needing to pass a science check when explaining crop rotation to the farmer in shady sands. At least make it like the conversation that you can have with silus.
I would make leveling like what celtics said and add throwing, traps, and add fallouts 2s reputation system back(slaver for exemple would enable quests, dissable some other quests and change some conversations)

Listen to the old man Calgone here.

I'm all for that some choices block other choices/quests thing. And about speech, I don't really care about how it's made, as long as will be done well.

So much naging, just to be clear no skills and base stats shall be removed, bring back all old one and then start to ad more!!!




Ad more to mack the game more complex and ways to modify your character in the way you like to do and not mainstream in the way its going to day!

Ad more skills, armor parts .....

Speech + Negative Karma = Deception?

But what if I am a good character who is a compulsive liar? :c

A good person wouldn't deceive people no would (s)he?

Grenades and missiles are a no man's fool, you'll have to have a high barter to deal with them if you want them to turn on their fire-er.

Way to go off topic there vajan.

Actually, I like this option a lot. It addresses the points I was trying to make, adding to the RP value and gameplay value. It would make sense if you knew a lot about explosives AND were persuasively skilled that Ol' Pete would give you dynamite. I don't think that the player should be able to pass every speech test; how they shape their character should decide what opportunities open up.

GAB! That is an incredibly black and white view! I am shocked and appalled!
This would suggest that, in Fallout 2 when i pretended to join the Enclave to get into Navarro that i was in fact being a terrible, bad, horrible, monstrous decietful person!
Also, when i lied to First Citizen Lynette about my intentions with Gecko - that i was going to save them not kill them, i was being bad?

I dont think deceitfulness being determined by Karma would work, and these two examples illustrate that quite nicely.


Haha, i see you decided to rephrase that then

Yea. Re-reading it sober made me think about it a bit further.

Obsidian changed Small/Big guns, not Bethesda. It was a change that J.E. Sawyer wanted back when they were still Black isle trying to make Van buren

no its not!!!

I preferred NV's approach to reshuffling the weapons into simpler categories, but I think a slight change is needed. We saw several perks with specific types of guns in mind. My hope is that the next game expands on that and plays out like this:

Raising a weapon skill would carry you well throughout the beginning and mid-game. However, end-game content and legendaries I feel should almost require you to use your "specialized weapons". For example, having a high Guns skill should allow you to bounce between small and big guns through 2/3 of content, but later on, you'll need Perks that allow you to take that specialization further. E.g. "Weapons weighing more than 10 pounds do 20% more damage", "One-handed guns shoot 40% faster", etc.

I also like the idea of more than skill contributing to a weapon's effectiveness. E.g. flamethrower feeding off guns/explosives and energy weapons. Proton axes feeding off melee and energy weapons.

That's my $.02 on weapons at least.

I feel that Speech should affect everything that the player says. As has been said someone can be incredibly knowledgeable in a certain field without being able to properly convey it to a layman.

Well I was talking about Bethesda Karma.

Technically, yes; it was.

They should add "Sarcastic" as a skill which would obviously add sarcastic speech choices

Would let u walk around with a sarcasm sign on your back

Totally disagree with the OP. The Fallout series can't afford to cut any more skills. If anything we need to get more skills not less. I swear if Beth cuts anything more from Fallout you can basically call it a deeper version of Call Of Duty with Exploration.

no sins some ppl try to remove skills i say no we need more not less

We're talking about the removal of speech, not the addition of new skills, armor, and other items.