Is that what you call testing and confirming of resistances not working, and videos of obviously incorrect dragon behavior? Those were the initial threads when the patch first went up a day or so ago, what you are seeing now is just the cascade.

Based on your manner of response to what I said that you've quoted...you're not very good at the whole "reading comprehension" thing, are you?

Try it this way: Picture some of the rage threads I've seen...picture them being spoken out loud by an advlt. I mean a real advlt. Picture a grown-ass 35 year old throwing a hissy fit. Go on.

Real advlts who want real results don't waste time posting rage threads.

To give anecdotal experience: I've called customer service for various products, and the times when I was angry and unreasonable, I didn't get what I wanted because I acted like an immature ass.

But when I've been reasonable and informative? I get taken care of fast, and I even end up with extras as a result, just because I was clear in what I had to say and I was not acting in a way that can be imitated by angrily squealing and mashing at a keyboard.

Your failure to understand this rather speaks volumes about you, sadly.

But if you want Bethesda to know about this and do something about it? Get over to the tech support section already, for whatever is your platform, and explain clearly what the issues are. Any and all information you can give relating to the issues at hand helps. If you just say "UR GAME IS BROKE, FIX IT!!!" instead of clearly describing what the issue is and any related information you have like quests, location, circumstances, whatever else my apply...then you deserve to be called a kid and have your two cents utterly disregarded.

You want people to respect what you have to say?

Then act in a manner that deserves respect. Whining, rage, and petulance do not deserve respect.

Live and learn.

True, but DA2 deserved it. Skyrim has bugs that should be fixed, and for me anyway, it will be an awesome game. It's playable now; just annoying. The problem with DA2 was they gave a lobotomy to a good game and tried to call it better. Stupid wave combat; a story line that felt like it had been doodled on a beer napkin by a drunken intern and characters that were too annoying to give a sh*t about. Nothing can fix DA2 except for a new design team.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SV97ozaD4vs

We need more members like this guy ^.^, wheres the common sense people?

Get off your high horse.

Respect goes both ways. They released this patch to the remaining platforms, even knowing that it had issues. They have been mostly silent about what is being done about it, allowing others to vent their frustrations wherever they like, lashing out at each other.

People are left to guess at when the problems introduced may be fixed, a guess being between 1 to 3 weeks later if the current patch timeline were any indication. Respect will tend to get better results, but in this case have they done anything to deserve our respect? Certainly not by knowingly pushing forth a patch that breaks things unrelated to what it was supposed to fix, or remaining silent and ignoring your customers.

Its strange how their twitter accounts were a constant buzz with info before it was released. Now-- dead silence.

Hell when Rage was having problems they were always keeping people updated. I dont get it.

I don't see the point in them releasing a statement. Sure, it makes the "masses" happy since Bethesda admits they're at fault, but how's that benefit Bethesda? Say they say they'll have the patch out in a couple weeks. A couple weeks passes, and they discover that something else could be fixed in the patch, and it's delayed another week. Now they've looked even worse because the patch isn't out on time, and the masses only get angrier and bash Bethesda some more (not to mention the anger at them for saying "a couple of weeks". How dare they.) Meanwhile, they can stay silent, wait until the problem is FIXED, and then come out with a statement apologizing for the mistake and have a definitive release date as well. People are happy, and everyone can go back to playing the game they love to hate (at least that's the impression I'm getting).

I think what gets lost in all of this is the fact that people seem to no longer want to have fun with games anymore. They see a bug, run to the forum vent about it and bash the company that made it. People set their expectations so high that when they aren't met, the company is clearly at fault for not meeting them.

In the end, all this anger is going to be for naught. It svcks that the game is "broken". But [censored] happens. It's part of life. Take a break from the game and do something else. It isn't as if Tamriel won't be there once the problem is fixed. Just take a moment and think about this game in the grand scheme of your life, and realize that things are going to be okay.

"We're sorry we released a broken piece of [censored], let you fix it, then decided to break your fix for no reason at all"?

+1

Your posts are like a breath of fresh air in this thread.

I haven't downloaded the patch because I play on a different account on my Xbox that isn't connected to live, but my unpatched game runs just fine, the only bug that I encountered was twice I didn't a dragon soul from a dead dragon.

At least with Skyrim the complaints are about unintended bugs, not features the developers thought would be awesome and still won't admit they were wrong about. Can you imagine how these forums would look like if Elder Scrolls VI was limited to one, small city, where your actions had no effect on the plot whatsoever? :banghead:

Still, though, at least Bioware had an active presence in their own forums - this silence isn't helping anyone right now, least of all Bethesda.

This is so true. Just because whiny [censored]es yell really loud, doesn't mean that there's more of them.



I like the magic system, the shadows look nice on my computer and clearly aren't rendered by the soundcard, and I find Steam to be an advantage. Idiot.


And, to be perfectly honest, I'd rather that Bethesda didn't reply. If they did, it means that they'd be more concerned with the whinging, [censored]ing, entitled morons on this forum than actually fixing the problems that certain people have encountered. I'm quite thankful that they've neglected to say anything at this point



Who says that they knew it had issues? If you say that we don't know any positive information because Bethesda haven't said anything, then you can't come out and say that you know that they were aware of the issues. And I don't understand how releasing a broken patch means that they don't deserve respect. It could've been a horrible mistake; there was likely something in there that they didn't want to be in there; there are plenty of things that could have gone wrong. Additionally, I don't understand why people feel entitled to be spoken to personally by the developers. If something goes wrong with your TV, do you expect the CEO of Samsung, or employees from that company to ring you or email you, apologising and explaining the problem? No. Sure, the gaming community is accessible, and really blurs the line between community and developer, but that doesn't mean that players have the right to be responded to. Immature, tantrum-like behaviour is exactly what will have this blurred line erased in the future, as developers realise that no matter what they attempt to do with their game, people will attack it mercilessly, despite the fact that the developers were simply trying to do their jobs in the first place. If you want developers to become disillusioned and disconnected from their fanbase and community, continue like this, because I can guarantee you, the pig-headedness, arrogance, immaturity, and sense of entitlement held by many members of this community and others (Battlefield 3 leaps to mind) are going to achieve just that. Developers aren't going to want to talk to us anymore, and it's going to be the fault of adolescent [censored] who insist on having everything that they want whenever they want it.

Yes, strange that no one's tweeting at 1:30 in the friggin morning (in Bethesda's time zone)

I have had no problems with bugs (360) and love the game. I have been pretty annoyed by all the whining in the forums.

BUT. I completely agree that it is baffling how bethesda can be so quiet about all the issues that arise. I frequented the bioware forums a lot for the release of DA and DA2, and the difference is just enormous. On the bioware forums the developers were replying on a daily (many times a day often!) basis on threads discussing both bugs, general gameplay and game mechanics. On these forums bethesda pretty much never post anything at all - and i just don get it.

It just doesnt make any sense to ignore your community like this, even if they have some policy about not disclosing game information on the forums or whatever they could at least acknowledge what's going on.The only such instance i've notice was what Gstaff did in the PS3 1.2 patch bug thread, saying they were looking into the issue..

It's kind of laughable. A complex game with a massive bugfix list, and people expect everything to be answered to immediately. I don't know why so many people continue to be surprised about this - the bigger a game is, the more it has to break. Open world games in general run pretty glitchy, and being an RPG there's just more that can be broken.

Whining about it isn't going to make them fix it any faster. svck it up and wait with the rest of us.

Uh, was I talking about right this second? genius. God you people will find any excuse to defend them.

Some people are a pack of wingebags and expect to much.

They just literately finished Skyrim - Elder Scrolls is known for massive widespread bugs, yet this was the smoothest launch.
I don't even need to say this since it's pretty obvious, but continue complaining anyway, please.

I don't even know what some of you expect from that, what do they need to make a statement about?

f'ing lol'd

Well, then quit whining. It happened today. Everyone needs to have some patience.

It's not fanboyism, it's flat-out annoyance.

I bought Saints Row 3, but I can't play it in DX 10/11 mode because it crashes on launch.

Do you see me crying and moaning about it?

No, I'm doing everything I can that could actually help.

From upgrading Vista to Service Pack 2 to update to DX 11 from 10, to posting on their troubleshooting forums, to sending an email.

None of that involves running to a general discussion board and annoying everyone who likes to read the forum with spam

So, go to the PC Troubleshooting board, and post your problem there.

Looking forward to a few weeks time when the COD / OCD crowd find a new shiny pew pew
:slap: Bad Vicho !

I'm amazed that people keep going back to Horse Armor. The one DLC that was worthless in all the content that Bethesda has ever released, and the one piece of DLC that they have openly and publicly laughed out themselves. They've even expressed amazement that people still download it, but they do. So here we have a thread more or less demanding some sort of open apology (for nothing, I might add), and touting as an example, the one single occasion where Beth has admitted releasing something laughable?

Irony for the win?




Whether or not you respect Bethesda makes no difference to whether or not you should behave yourself like a mature advlt. The classic "he started it!" defense to children arguing with each other ends up with everybody in time out.

On people whinging about the fact that Bethesda apparently did not test the game, I don't see how people can legitimately expect Bethesda to be able to assure that the game works on every single machine with different combinations of operating systems, drivers, hardware, software, anti-virus, and billions of other factors. It's moronic for people to think that it can be done to a 100% standard. Hell, I see it as moronic for people to think that it can be done even to a 1% standard.

You of course mean the majority of forum users unhappy with the game, a subset of what is already a minority. The majority of forum posts are clearly on other matters.

Asking for a statement is pointless, it doesn't fix your game.

http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?app=core&module=usercp&tab=members&area=ignoredusers

Here. It's also accessible from the dropdown menu where your name is in the upper left corner of the forums on that grey bar.