Ah, so, because it is a 'luxury', we can't expect to get a luxury that WORKS for our money? Ok. Thank you for that bit of wisdom.

You fail. It does work, it is just not perfect. You knew it would not work perfectly when you bought it, and still bought it. Besides that, nothing in gamesas's history shows it will not, not support game. So you have to wait a few weeks/months before everything tis fleshed out, a bit annoying I know, but its what you have to deal with when you buy a gamesas game at launch. Whine all you want but you can not escape your own ignorance when you purchased this game at launch. This has nothing to do with defending gamesas and everything to do with people whining like 5th graders over and over and over again.

You don't need to be so mean about it. He has a point, the game needs to be fixed. The point I'm trying to make is that everyone, you, me, him, and anyone else, needs to stop being so deeply serious about the topic. Insults like this don't actually encourage anyone to change their position, they just create loggerheads on two sides of what should be something you agree on.

We all think the game needs a patch. WHY are we fighting over whether the game needs a patch? It's dumb. We all need to stop with the flame throwing and focus on getting information to Bethesda that can help them fix issues. If you don't want to help them fix issues, that's fine, but try not to take everything so seriously. And certainly don't try to get in the way of people that do want to help.

Ayeyaye.

bethesda seems to have a very serious problem when it comes to public statements.

their ardent refusal to say anything is extremely frustrating and ultimately forces us to believe or expect the worst from them.

would be nice if Beth would give us a statement. Do we not have community reps here?

Poor poor Skyrim.

You should've had Jason Bergman as Project director, like New Vegas. Bergman was the bomb: he pvssyd with us on the forums all the time, always tried to keep us up to date with events. :disguise:

It'd be better if they just give us the damn Creation kit already so we can make our own patches.. The ones they make seem to be rubbish everytime anyway.

I think you are confusing the difference between someone doing something terrible to you, and someone failing to do something wonderful for you. Running over someone's dog is a terrible thing to do, and it's done with no reason.

Giving you a video game that doesn't work properly compares in no way to that. The video game is a toy, something for you to enjoy, it's a luxury. Not having it work properly for a little while is nothing even close to an injustice. This is the most common weakness in some of the complaints on this board, people tend to view Skyrim as something to which they are entitled.

For one thing, it's a luxury. Yes, you paid for it, but if you used your life savings on Skyrim you are either a little kid, or an idiot. Skyrim is something you buy with extra money, not with your grocery money. It's a toy, a luxury, not something you are going to need at any point in your life.

Secondly, you don't really have any rights in it to begin with. I'm not saying I agree with this, because I don't. I'm saying it's true. If you read the EULA and you read the copyright cases and the laws associated with this stuff, you'd see that video games are licensed, not sold. You don't own it. You don't own the box, the manual, the cd, the game, nothing. No law anywhere (in the USA) supports this idea that you have some vested right in the game. You never have, not even Morrowind. Look at my signature. It's a travesty, but it's true.

So while I understand a lot of people complaining about things that go wrong, I cannot understand at all why they take this so seriously. It's a game. A toy. When a toy breaks it's not the end of the world, it's just a toy. It's for fun, casual, spare time.

If fewer people would get so bent out of shape over this, and quit acting like Bethesda just insulted their grandmother, these boards would be a lot more peaceful.

Buy an Xbox.

Good day.

Please no. With all due respect to everyone who works at Bethesda, Craig Boone in Fallout New Vegas is still broken and they stopped patching. They broke him in a patch in December 2010 and 3 patches later in September 2011, no matter how often I posted about it in the bugs forum with as much information as I could gather and I kept bumping the post up and sending it in to the developers, it was still never fixed. Josh Sawyer even posted back a thank you for explaining what was wrong...it didn't help.

Like I said, with all due respect...and I love these games but Craig Boone in FNV is my A-Bomb from Oblivion.

I believe they're working hard on the Skyrim patch and will believe that until I see otherwise. Gstaff said they were investigating. There are a lot of things to look for and they interconnect so it's not an easy thing. That's why patches can introduce new bugs.

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Your missing the point, imho, Longknife tries to make. For the most part and for a significant majority of people playing FO:NV, the game after all patches and DLC's is relatively stable and mostly bug free. So you still have a major issue which isn't and will not be fixed. Bummer (no irony intended).
What Longknife means is that the majority of the frequent occurring bugs were adressed by Jason Bergman. They patched most of it but were always honest and upfront in communicating with their fanbase/consumers. Like I stated in other threads: Giving Estimates for possible patches, tips on workarounds etc...
This, let me stress this. does not mean that FO:NV was patched 100% or that after its final patch became flawless and even that it's a bit od no more patching was done after the final DLC. However in that long road towards that point in time, for the majority of the time Bergman and its team at least showed they were aware that their game had issues and acknowledged them.
This is exactly what bethesda should do. It is the essence of good PR and Customer Management.. acknowledge your mistakes and communicate how/when it will be fixed.