It's time to make a statement Bethesda... [2] : V

» Mon Dec 12, 2011 4:09 pm

I'll keep this short and to the point. The literal majority of customer comments now revolve on how a series of patches have broken the game. These type of posts are only occasionally interrupted, and in fact emphasized, by desperate "Bethesda lovers sign here xoxoxo" threads from the "defend no matter what" crowd.

Whatever you want to say about the recent series of events and buglists hundreds of items long - it is time to say something.

Continued from http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/1299398-its-time-to-make-a-statement-bethesda/

» Mon Dec 12, 2011 3:36 pm

"BOHICA and you'll LIKE it" folks in 5....4....3....

» Mon Dec 12, 2011 9:28 pm

Patch 1.2 adds so many serious issues that it should be pulled out of the servers and replaced with the previous one. Since now updates are mandatory (for people who need to have their Steam/Consoles connected to the Internet) working to get a new patch out of the door asap is not enough.

Pulling the patch, if not releasing an official statement, would be a sign that Bethesda is working on the problems and would placate many irate customers.

» Mon Dec 12, 2011 11:53 pm

An update of the bethblog would do me to be honest.

Just something like: "Thanks to user feedback we've been able to find some issues with the latest release which have now been replicated in house. We're now working on a fix for the following issues (...) which will likely be released on Friday afternoon. Please direct any further issue reports to http://...

» Mon Dec 12, 2011 3:09 pm

Just because I wrote it before, it's not suddenly inapplicable to all of this type message thread anywhere on the site. Bethesda hasn't interactively discussed its in-release games with the general public in any forums, back to Morrowind, probably longer, None of them. Not at any point I'm aware of. I played Arena when it was new, and tried playing Daggerfall before it was finally patched. What a monstrous bugfest that was.

The whiners, complainers, teeth-gnashing crowd should take notice of this:

http://www.dailytech.com/The+Elder+Scrolls+V+Skyrim+Tops+34+Million+Retail+Sales+in+First+2+Days/article23293.htm

They appear to be in a small minority, and very many of the whiners are not naming the components they are using to try to run the game. One thing Bethesda is ALWAYS guilty of is gross stupidity about system requirements, else they are the most atrociously bad liars ever. The current game's official requirements, like 3 out of 4 of their relatively recent releases, are not practical (in Skyrim's case, they are just nonsense.)

http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/1246287-pc-specs-released/

Those were wrong when announced, and commented on from the start.

Corrected Skyrim Minimum Requirements

* Windows 7/Vista/XP PC (32 or 64 bit)
* Processor: Dual Core 2.3 GHz C2D or equivalent CPU
* 2GB System RAM
* 6GB free HDD Space
* Direct X 9 compliant video card with 512 MB of RAM (and
sufficient performance to actually put that VRAM to use)
* DirectX compatible sound card
* Internet access for Steam activation

» Tue Dec 13, 2011 1:47 am

Gorath, those links you posted are completely irrelevant to what is being discussed. The patches have broken features of the game. What does it matter how many copies were sold or whether the original listed sys reqs were correct?

» Mon Dec 12, 2011 9:48 pm

I haven't had any bugs.

So far...

» Mon Dec 12, 2011 3:07 pm

You haven't played many Bethesda games, have you?

» Tue Dec 13, 2011 1:21 am

Gorath, PS3 and Xbox users have been experiencing the very same game breaking bugs that have nothing to do with system requirements. Try hitting a Dragon flying backwards away from you or conjuring a flame atronach that's totally vulnerable to its own flaming attacks.

Skyrim is not even a resource hog on PC (except for the broken shadows) so claiming that people complain because they run the game on a sub par machine is pointless.

» Mon Dec 12, 2011 6:12 pm

When you buy a game, what do you actually think Bethesda's obligation to you is? To provide you with a working game, or to tell you that they are going to provide you with a working game? Fact is, whether they tell you what they are working on or not, it won't make any difference to the actual work they are doing.

The patch is going to come out when it comes out, whether they tell you when that is or whether they don't. Even worse, imagine that they do give you an estimate, then something comes up and it turns out they can't make it? That would be even worse.

It's perfectly fine to want a patch. Bethesda is making a patch. That's enough.

» Mon Dec 12, 2011 8:10 pm

Bethesda is making a patch. That's enough.

At this junction, that is an assumption. This is why people are mad.

Reasonable assumption it may be, it is still an assumption.

» Tue Dec 13, 2011 1:56 am

Even worse, imagine that they do give you an estimate, then something comes up and it turns out they can't make it? That would be even worse.

But... that's exactly what they just did, only they released it anyway.

» Tue Dec 13, 2011 3:24 am

Didn't have any serious bugs until 1.2 came out. Now I'm wishing the game had never updated, based on the way that patch screwed with the game. Going to have to wait for a replacement patch to come out

» Mon Dec 12, 2011 6:07 pm

It's perfectly fine to want a patch. Bethesda is making a patch. That's enough.

Customers are irate not because the patch is buggy but BECAUSE the patch is mandatory unless you unplug your console or keep Steam offline.

» Mon Dec 12, 2011 8:33 pm

what really pisses me off are [censored] fan-boys defending beth... as customers that paid for a product we can demand and not only want a working product... game industry svcks nowadays... except for ea bf3 was patched very fast and is working properly on most rigs (overlooking old crap hardware from <2007)

» Mon Dec 12, 2011 2:20 pm

Bethesda is making a patch. That's enough.

They are? You know this how?

» Mon Dec 12, 2011 5:03 pm

what really pisses me off are [censored] fan-boys defending beth... as customers that paid for a product we can demand and not only want a working product... game industry svcks nowadays... except for ea bf3 was patched very fast and is working properly on most rigs (overlooking old crap hardware from <2007)

I know it's crazy. I guess giving them sixty hard earned cash and millions of copies sold just is not enough.

Maybe a lot of these defenders own company stock trying to protect their investment?

» Mon Dec 12, 2011 7:50 pm

Oh, I'm just guessing.

But that's not even the point is it? The point is that whatever they decide to tell us doesn't change what they are doing. So what if they aren't making a patch? Maybe they're all just sitting around the pool tipping their hats at what a great game this is. If that's what they are doing right now, then no amount of complaining on this forum is going to change it. So why beg for an announcement?

The announcement is going to be one of two things: Yes we are making a patch, or no we aren't. If they decide to tell us one way or the other, that's still what they are doing, regardless.

Now, any reasonable person would already know that they are going to make at least one more patch. Steam articles have been documenting some of the known bugs with the game, and Bethesda would be stupid not to address some of the issues. So I don't know what the fuss is really about.

They are going to make a patch, everybody knows that. Whether they are working on it this instant or not, telling us won't make a difference. So what exactly do you want?

» Tue Dec 13, 2011 5:28 am

So what exactly do you want?

Rolling back this patch would be a fine start.

» Tue Dec 13, 2011 1:16 am

I know it's crazy. I guess giving them sixty hard earned cash and millions of copies sold just is not enough.

Maybe a lot of these defenders own company stock trying to protect their investment?

nope i don't think so otherwise they would want to kick arses... compared to other companys like ccp, bioware and ea not even the community manager seems to be present... just occasionally throwing some words into the forums that actually contain worthless information... for instance about the ck...

» Mon Dec 12, 2011 10:13 pm

A simple 'Sorry' would go a long way though.

» Tue Dec 13, 2011 4:24 am

Yeah I'm getting way more crashes than usual, I'm even starting to crash as I start up the game. I honestly just want to be able to do my quests (They're still bugged). I could care less right now about how it's an easy game for me.

» Mon Dec 12, 2011 2:26 pm

Rolling back this patch would be a fine start.

They aren't going to do that. There's no documented indication that this patch created more problems than it fixed. Yes it created problems. The people that see problems are showing up on these boards to point them out.

However, it also fixed a lot of problems. Those people are not all showing up here to tell us about that though. Steam is an easy platform to roll-back a patch with. If Bethesda really thought they had done more harm than good, they wouldn't even have to do anything, just ask Steam to roll-back the updated version. They haven't done that, though, so I think we can assume that the patch, crazy as it sounds, is a net positive.

Furthermore, I imagine that they plan to build on what this patch has done anyway, so if they roll back, they'll just have to roll forward again anyway when the next one comes out.

» Mon Dec 12, 2011 1:41 pm

The problem isn't that we want a patch, it's that we don't want the patch, and we want the patch removed from our systems.

I wonder if there's a way to activate a copy of Skyrim over Steam without downloading the [censored] patches, each one breaking the game more than the last.

» Tue Dec 13, 2011 5:51 am

Oh, I'm just guessing.

But that's not even the point is it? The point is that whatever they decide to tell us doesn't change what they are doing. So what if they aren't making a patch? Maybe they're all just sitting around the pool tipping their hats at what a great game this is. If that's what they are doing right now, then no amount of complaining on this forum is going to change it. So why beg for an announcement?

The announcement is going to be one of two things: Yes we are making a patch, or no we aren't. If they decide to tell us one way or the other, that's still what they are doing, regardless.

Now, any reasonable person would already know that they are going to make at least one more patch. Steam articles have been documenting some of the known bugs with the game, and Bethesda would be stupid not to address some of the issues. So I don't know what the fuss is really about.

They are going to make a patch, everybody knows that. Whether they are working on it this instant or not, telling us won't make a difference. So what exactly do you want?

You claim they are working on a patch and we shouldnt complain. Well, have you thought that the ONLY reason they MAY be working on a patch is BEcause everyone IS complaining? If no one complained and pointed out the bugs, which they obviously had no idea existed, then they would thinki everything is just fine.

Whining about gameplay and about bugs are 2 totally differant things. When they do a patch and now the game is Unplayable for various reasons that were literally working yesterday before the patch, yeah, people have a reason to complain.

Deal with it and stop being a fan boy.