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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 9:34 am

Look at the moons.

A plane is a flat surface, a plane(t) is the visualization of a plane and is round.

A moon is not a vague concept. At least not what I'm thinking of for the definition of "vague concepts".
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 11:04 pm

I don't believe in vague concepts having geometric shapes; I figure that "sphere" wasn't literal.

Fantasy fiction is all about abstract concepts taking material form.
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Laura Richards
 
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 8:36 am

A moon is not a vague concept.


Huh? Moons make no sense at all, man. That's why we call them "moons".
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 12:07 am

http://www.imperial-library.info/obscure_text/complete_dragonbroke.shtml
Several texts survive this timeless period, all (unsurprisingly) conflicting with each other regarding events, people, and regions: wars are mentioned in some that never happen in another, the sun changes color depending on the witness, and the gods either walk among the mortals or they don't.
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According to Hestra, Cyrodiil became an Empire across the stars. According to Shor-El, Cyrodiil became an egg. Most say something in a language they can only speak sideways. The Council has collected texts and accounts from all of its provinces, and they only offer stories that never coincide, save on one point: all the folk of Tamriel during the Middle Dawn, in whatever 'when' they were caught in, tracked the fall of the eight stars. And that is how they counted their days.

...While you were fighting wars with phantoms and giving birth to your own fathers....

Just a few things...
1. How could Cyrodiil become an egg? :blink:

2. What does it mean to speak a language sideways?

3. Giving birth to your own fathers might be caused by a non-linear timeline, but wouldn't that create a infinite loop sort of? Will the father and son continue to create each other for all... eternity. or what ever it may be called in a non-linear timeline. Or would the born father then breathe life to his granduncle, who in turn brings up his wifes fifth cousin's ex-husband's brother-in-law's, uncle's daughter?

You know, you don't have to answer that... I just reacted to something that seemed as random as the South-African fur cod.
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 10:37 am

Just a few things...
1. How could Cyrodiil become an egg? :blink:

2. What does it mean to speak a language sideways?

3. Giving birth to your own fathers might be caused by a non-linear timeline, but wouldn't that create a infinite loop sort of? Will the father and son continue to create each other for all... eternity. or what ever it may be called in a non-linear timeline. Or would the born father then breathe life to his granduncle, who in turn brings up his wifes fifth cousin's ex-husband's brother-in-law's, uncle's daughter?

You know, you don't have to answer that... I just reacted to something that seemed as random as the South-African fur cod.



Seen that movie too huh? :P


anyhow... Speak sidewise? I have wondered about that myself... MK probably just poo'ed out a nonsensical statement just to make it sound cool, and to give a general conception of a crazy insane thing.

As for cyrrodiil becoming an egg? Isn't it already?
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 2:04 am

'Giving birth to your own fathers' is either a jibe at a bunch of monkeys stuck in a break, or just a saying that means 'several generations earlier, when your ancestors were young.'
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 6:47 pm

As for cyrrodiil becoming an egg? Isn't it already?

http://www.gamesas.com/bgsforums/index.php?s=&showtopic=574456&view=findpost&p=8320428
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 12:45 am

http://www.gamesas.com/bgsforums/index.php?s=&showtopic=574456&view=findpost&p=8320428



i KNEW it! I KNEW it!


:P
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 6:57 am

Huh? Moons make no sense at all, man. That's why we call them "moons".

You make no sense at all. Although thats not the reason we call you "MK".


The whole "Cyrodiil becoming an egg" at Dragon Break thing reminds me of "The Egg of Time". There's probably some correlation there. Just not that I can see.
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 8:42 am

The whole "Cyrodiil becoming an egg" at Dragon Break thing reminds me of "The Egg of Time". There's probably some correlation there. Just not that I can see.

Because when the shell breaks, the egg is ruined, but a little chick comes out to ultimately make another.

(:shrug:)
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 9:37 am

Because when the shell breaks, the egg is ruined, but a little chick comes out to ultimately make another.

(:shrug:)


Or maybe it's a testicle? :hehe:

See, that's the thing about ultra-ambiguous mythic symbolism that's only been half thought out -- it's only meant to sound cool, and with no other sources of information to compare it against, you just end up with a weird looking word, phrase, etc. Like Exact Egg-Cracking; apparently it hasn't been decided whether it's an Argonian tradition, a Tsaesci tradition, some weird thing only lizard-men get, an anology for the Creation, or none of the above.
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 5:03 am

Cultures express themselves through anologies and images, so it can be cool sometimes.
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 10:37 pm

See, that's the thing about ultra-ambiguous mythic symbolism that's only been half thought out -- it's only meant to sound cool

See, that's the thing about nuts like us -- we put meanings upon these symbolisms to get +1 nerdgenius points.
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 2:18 am

See, that's the thing about nuts like us -- we put meanings upon these symbolisms to get +1 nerdgenius points.


And somehow the girls stop coming.
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 3:06 am

And somehow the girls stop coming.


Ae 'meh' ce altadoon.
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 8:19 pm

Ae 'meh' ce altadoon.


Right...

It's a bigger "meh" for :poof:.
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 2:15 am

Does Bethesda make TES universe this complicated on purpose? I mean, I don't even think the Lord of the Rings universe/world is as complex and unclear as TES is!
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 11:34 pm

No, it was a freak accident involving a walrus and Albert Hoffmann's bicycle - no, of course it was intentional!
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 8:34 am

Does Bethesda make TES universe this complicated on purpose? I mean, I don't even think the Lord of the Rings universe/world is as complex and unclear as TES is!


In case you didn't know they HIRE people to do this. PEOPLE are paid to make the mroe more complicated, it is their JOB to do this. It is with this very persuasive incentive that we see all this convoluted mess going into TES lore.
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 7:54 am

Does Bethesda make TES universe this complicated on purpose? I mean, I don't even think the Lord of the Rings universe/world is as complex and unclear as TES is!


I'm glad it is. And it has actual answers to the stuff, too, and isn't ambiguous and unsolvable like in some games.

This is the first universe I've seen where the lore has been as deep as it is AND actually have coherent answers to the stuff, even if you can't always find them.
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 1:12 am

It has answers... but sometimes said answers aren't clear and theres alternative answers. Unlike other worlds.
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I'm glad it is. And it has actual answers to the stuff, too, and isn't ambiguous and unsolvable like in some games.

This is the first universe I've seen where the lore has been as deep as it is AND actually have coherent answers to the stuff, even if you can't always find them.




Well if TES lore is so clear cut and has actual answers, how come you made a thread about Aetherius that now has a bunch of people saying a zillion different things. Shouldn't we all be saying the exact same thing about Aetherius? I mean, if you make a thread about George Washington, we'll all say "1st president". I'm not being trying to be sarcastic, but I really don't see how TES mythology and lore is straight-forward. I presume that if it was, there would be way less threads about it since we'd all be able to grasp it fairly easily. ya know?
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 9:20 am

In response to you "Aetherius" comment, I did that thread because you actually GO to Aetherius (though now, I don't really think that was truly Aetherius) in Daggerfall to receive an important item and, because I haven't played Daggerfall, I didn't know what it looked like.

I'll admit I should have been clearer with my comment about "answers" and whatnot; I just meant that sometimes developers will just chunk stuff into a game and never fully explain some things (if at all), such as how the world you play in was even created. I never said the answers were straightfoward, however, and I even noted how I liked the complexity because if it wasn't, then this forum wouldn't even need to exist.

All you gotta do is, really and truly, just read; don't be afraid to think of theories comprised of stuff you've learned from the books AND stuff that you already know, both from the game AND real life. Don't get discouraged if you find out your theory doesn't make sense or even if it's wrong. Most of the people here do that and STILL do that even now. I'm confident we ALL were at your point once upon a time.
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 6:27 am

You know, I never did finish Daggerfall. I remember from agd discussions and stuff that the final dungeon was something called "The Mantella Crux" and was basically a regular dungeon with the walls having a... starry skin? I don't know. Was that supposed to be in Aetherius?
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 7:28 pm

Yes, it was.
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