[R.I.p MOmmy]

I'm really leaning towards something in the Imperial City or Cyrodiil that revolves around a struggle for power in either the city or Cyrodiil. There would be roles for everyone. People could play honorable watchmen trying to eradicate injustice in the city, or they could be hitmen for a crime syndicate, or, this is for you WV , they could be part of a cyrodiilic order of vampires trying to gain supreme power through manipulation of 3rd parties.

I think it would be a good fresh setting and plot.

[Mrs. Patton]

As I've said, I'd take a political character of some sort for a Cyrodiil RP; if we decide to go to Morrowind, I'd love to take some role with the Temple. That's my bit right there.

[Everardo Montano]

Alright when considering an RP setting we have to ask ourselves, what will the writing be like? How do you imagine it going forth? See with Taneth I can say i'll be defending the city with a few others. We'd make our plans to repel the attackers, the attackers in turn would do their own character development followed by attempts to take the city etc. In Morrowind I can see how the houses would struggle against one another. Morrowind offers a very good backdrop to all that.

But with Cyrodiil...eh? What? I loved Oblivion and i didn't care for what people said about hating on it but even I have to admit it was all very bland. The various counts in each city aside from Hassildor, were carbon copies of another. Sometimes I remember going into the castles to talk with them and id ask myself "oh which city am I in again?"

[Setal Vara]

Alright when considering an RP setting we have to ask ourselves, what will the writing be like? How do you imagine it going forth? See with Taneth I can say i'll be defending the city with a few others. We'd make our plans to repel the attackers, the attackers in turn would do their own character development followed by attempts to take the city etc. In Morrowind I can see how the houses would struggle against one another. Morrowind offers a very good backdrop to all that.

But with Cyrodiil...eh? What? I loved Oblivion and i didn't care for what people said about hating on it but even I have to admit it was all very bland. The various counts in each city aside from Hassildor, were carbon copies of another. Sometimes I remember going into the castles to talk with them and id ask myself "oh which city am I in again?"

I think we should do something that focuses mainly on the Imperial City. We could have a few nobles who have live in the cites but have plantations elsewhere etc. There could be a distinct Crime vs. Justice theme going on with many different groups struggling for power. We could have the watch at the legion as a Justice oriented peace keeper for the most part with a few officers that try to use their positions to gain power. Then we could have the nobles who have just ideas but achieve them under the table, and then we could have the guys who run the crime syndicates and mafias than want control of the city for themselves and all the power that comes with it.

[elliot mudd]

Right but then consider how the interactions would happen. How exactly would we show "crime" and what could really be done about it? You have to consider that in crime situations there are a lot of investigations, so the character sitting there studying clues and writing by himself. How would that play out? The success of an RP is based on how many interactions your posts can have. Writing a 10 page post that no one can reply to is almost pointless. I'm simply thinking of how exactly you can get the writers on 2 different sides of the room and how often they'll leave their side, walk half way and interact.

[Nathan Hunter]

There is plenty of room for political intrigue, perhaps even open warfare at the end of the day. Aside from the fact that there's still no Emperor, there's the dispute over who gets Kvatch.

[Ricky Rayner]

Al"vus" Capone"cus" can be in the Imperial City with all of his boys...sure. I've had a few ideas concerning illegal dealings and crime lords in the city. I'd step up and play one of those. Though, WV, Solidor, I do not think we should do a RP focused on vampires. A vampiric setting could be an aspect but I do not like the idea of dedicating an entire timeline RP to vampires. They can be cool in very many cases but it would be better to have them as a mere part of the RP, rather than the focus.

If the Imperial City is done, the focus should be solely on the Elder Council, perhaps with some background corruption and crime going on (and a link in between the two). If Verlox is willing to step back in I would let him do the whole Kvatch invasion thing and see how that works out, though I don't see it as a likely ordeal (for him to come back). The point of the RP would be the power struggle for the throne between the legions, noblemen, KToN, Battlespire, crime lords, etc. If Cyrodil is done I doubt it will be something we can just all simply throw together and be successful. It will take detailing and work to provide the base for it, which is an advantage in what Taneth has over everything else, even though not everyone is so keen on it.

As for the Morrowind thing, I would stick more towards the anti Empire against the Empire than all of the houses. Don't spread out the focus too much more than it has to be.

[HARDHEAD]

No offense to verlox but he's been part of about 4 or 5 of my RPs for the first two months or so and then vanished for whatever reason. He's more than welcome to join but I wouldn't trust him as a plot driving mechanism anymore than I would myself.

[Carolyne Bolt]

No offense to verlox but he's been part of about 4 or 5 of my RPs for the first two months or so and then vanished for whatever reason. He's more than welcome to join but I wouldn't trust him as a plot driving mechanism anymore than I would myself.

He may want to not drop out, Anvil may be in peril this time around.

[sarah simon-rogaume]

Right, and he invades Kvatch and then what?

I was just telling wooly on FB why jungles in cyrodiil are stupid. In Jungles you can not domesticate animals, that's why most civilizations that are great never were in jungles. (Most, i didn't say all.) And those that did exist were very late comers that were still primitive compared to others (compare Aztecs who were still in the stone age with the Spaniards.) The other thing you need is population saturation. This is why places like the Tigris and Euphrates, the Nile, The Danube, Greece, Italy, these places squished people into more confined places and were able to advance faster. Compare them with other people like the Scythians of the plains or the Germanics of the forests that took longer to civilize.



Well around similar parameters so too an RP works. And we need "population saturation." What that means is that we need a critical amount of people in one area to gain more interactions. The more interactions the more posts. If you're in Anvil and i'm in Bruma we're not going to be doing jack to post to one another. Greater distances also causes people to stagnate too "oh we need to wait for a time jump" then 3/4ths of the writers are waiting for the other 1/4th and people lose interest, they get "busy with life" and the RP dies.


This is why I proposed the College of Winterhold RP, or even the Morrowind thing would work well. Taneth wouldn't of been bad but nobody seems to be all that fired up for it. We also have to consider our writer base has gotten smaller and smaller and quite frankly the IBT intimidates people. So then all we have is a bunch of "veterans" that aren't all that active for their own personal reasons, and we're sitting and hoarding our "lore" which no one from the outside can really get into.

[Adam Porter]

Right but then consider how the interactions would happen. How exactly would we show "crime" and what could really be done about it? You have to consider that in crime situations there are a lot of investigations, so the character sitting there studying clues and writing by himself. How would that play out? The success of an RP is based on how many interactions your posts can have. Writing a 10 page post that no one can reply to is almost pointless. I'm simply thinking of how exactly you can get the writers on 2 different sides of the room and how often they'll leave their side, walk half way and interact.

There would actually be quite a lot of interaction. Investigations also require interrogation and crime scene investigation with other people. So that would lend to character interaction. The syndicates would be a tightly woven chain of people so there would be a lot of interaction there, and the nobles would always be around one another.

As for the Morrowind thing, I would stick more towards the anti Empire against the Empire than all of the houses. Don't spread out the focus too much more than it has to be.

I disagree, you can't have a Morrowind RP without inter-house conflict and politics. It's what drives the culture of Morrowind. If it where anti-empire versus empire then it would still be Redoran, Indoril, and the Temple vs. the Empire, Hlaalu, and Dres.

Right, and he invades Kvatch and then what?

I was just telling wooly on FB why jungles in cyrodiil are stupid. In Jungles you can not domesticate animals, that's why most civilizations that are great never were in jungles. (Most, i didn't say all.) And those that did exist were very late comers that were still primitive compared to others (compare Aztecs who were still in the stone age with the Spaniards.) The other thing you need is population saturation. This is why places like the Tigris and Euphrates, the Nile, The Danube, Greece, Italy, these places squished people into more confined places and were able to advance faster. Compare them with other people like the Scythians of the plains or the Germanics of the forests that took longer to civilize.



Well around similar parameters so too an RP works. And we need "population saturation." What that means is that we need a critical amount of people in one area to gain more interactions. The more interactions the more posts. If you're in Anvil and i'm in Bruma we're not going to be doing jack to post to one another. Greater distances also causes people to stagnate too "oh we need to wait for a time jump" then 3/4ths of the writers are waiting for the other 1/4th and people lose interest, they get "busy with life" and the RP dies.


This is why I proposed the College of Winterhold RP, or even the Morrowind thing would work well. Taneth wouldn't of been bad but nobody seems to be all that fired up for it. We also have to consider our writer base has gotten smaller and smaller and quite frankly the IBT intimidates people. So then all we have is a bunch of "veterans" that aren't all that active for their own personal reasons, and we're sitting and hoarding our "lore" which no one from the outside can really get into.

I say we focus the RP in just the Imperial City.

When the whole Rithe, Arethan / Camille, Christina thing was in Taneth there was a ton of character interaction just from being in close proximity in the same town.

[Kayleigh Williams]

Though, WV, Solidor, I do not think we should do a RP focused on vampires. A vampiric setting could be an aspect but I do not like the idea of dedicating an entire timeline RP to vampires. They can be cool in very many cases but it would be better to have them as a mere part of the RP, rather than the focus.

Neither should of the Knights of the Nine, but hey, it's my opinion. I really don't mind at all. Plenty of other RP's that can have a vampire-centric theme. I could care less if this one doesn't have one. I could always add a regular Bounty Hunter in the RP.

[Tamara Dost]

We could do a political IC thing....I already suggested the Council calls for Helseth and Elysana to act as Consuls but they rather rule the whole thing.


Another possibility is for the Skyrim thing if people are reconsidering. I had the winterhold college murder plot (that's more of a front plot side though and goes deeper) or a survival/horror-esque plot set in the Reach with all the Foresworn and what not. There is also a crime plot I had an idea for in Riften involving the Thieves Guild since they actually look like a good faction.

[Susan]

Right, and he invades Kvatch and then what?

I was just telling wooly on FB why jungles in cyrodiil are stupid. In Jungles you can not domesticate animals, that's why most civilizations that are great never were in jungles. (Most, i didn't say all.) And those that did exist were very late comers that were still primitive compared to others (compare Aztecs who were still in the stone age with the Spaniards.) The other thing you need is population saturation. This is why places like the Tigris and Euphrates, the Nile, The Danube, Greece, Italy, these places squished people into more confined places and were able to advance faster. Compare them with other people like the Scythians of the plains or the Germanics of the forests that took longer to civilize.



Well around similar parameters so too an RP works. And we need "population saturation." What that means is that we need a critical amount of people in one area to gain more interactions. The more interactions the more posts. If you're in Anvil and i'm in Bruma we're not going to be doing jack to post to one another. Greater distances also causes people to stagnate too "oh we need to wait for a time jump" then 3/4ths of the writers are waiting for the other 1/4th and people lose interest, they get "busy with life" and the RP dies.


This is why I proposed the College of Winterhold RP, or even the Morrowind thing would work well. Taneth wouldn't of been bad but nobody seems to be all that fired up for it. We also have to consider our writer base has gotten smaller and smaller and quite frankly the IBT intimidates people. So then all we have is a bunch of "veterans" that aren't all that active for their own personal reasons, and we're sitting and hoarding our "lore" which no one from the outside can really get into.

I loved the jungle bit, the Cyrodiilic Empire as per the First Pocket Guide was a river based society for the most part, and even then the entire provience wasn't jungle. They didn't skip out on how Cyrodiil's economy was run, and Cyrodiil as per lore was exactly how you described. Most of the Nibian Cities were focused in tight metropolis' on the river and around Lake Rumare. As for the counts and all, we've never stuck strictly to what the games offer, because they were bland in Oblivion doesn't mean we have to make it bland in the RP. Cyrodiil's Oblivion was devoid of anything expected of the Imperial Provience, we would correct that mistake.

edit: Also, I've never heard anyone complain that the lore was hard to get into. The biggest issue I've seen is people creating character that have nothing to do with the plot and then can't find interaction. 99.9% of the drop outs have been that.

[Wanda Maximoff]

I'm leaning toward a Morrowind RP...some plot ideas:

1. The Redoran v Hlaalu situation. Focus will be politics, cloak and dagger, small skirmishes....MAYBE some sizable "battles." Setting will be Vvardenfell and the mainland just across.

2. Redoran centered RP dealing more with mainland issues...the Nords and Orc mercenaries invading from the west. More war oriented. The issues with the other houses play a minor role and the setting will mostly be mainland north western Morrowind.

3. Telvanni RP focusing mostly in the inner workings of this bizarre house. Heavily political and cloak and dagger oriented. The various magelords have gained a lot of artifacts from their counter attacks against the Daedric invasions. Don't think you are limited to just being a magelord.

4. Dres/Black Marsh oriented RP. Focuses mostly on cloak and dagger/battle. We'll expand upon House Dres and the border conflict with the Argonians. Hlaalu would also be there since they own some land in the south but as a secondary role.

5. A personal plot I had wanted to explore before was the concept of a Prophetess that has united the four Ashland Clans into one. This will be centered in Vvardenfell and we'll get to see how this unification reshapes the political and cultural landscape of the Dunmer. Morag Tong will play an interesting role especially in this.


That's a few ideas that I've had or have heard from others and put them in my own words. We could do this or any combination.

[bonita mathews]

I still want a Cyrodiil RP. I want some continuation of the previous RP, for what happened in KSS to matter.

[Lexy Corpsey]

What would you say happened in KSS that you'd want to continue over?

[Skivs]

That in itself is a bit of a problem. There's still disagreement as to what the end result will be, and I'll still argue if need be. However, there are some events that will come to pass regardless of the result. For example, the Elder Council needs to decide on a ruler, and the nobility, the battlemages, and the church all have their own ideas as who should be in charge. Second, Anvil's actions will be catching up to them. Attempting to forcibly annex Kvatch will be the final straw, both for the factions that tolerate Anvil's increasingly hostile actions, and those that have been putting up with the ineffectual Elder Council and watching it let the Empire fall apart.

[Ellie English]

I'd have to say the fate of KSS would have drastic affects on the political landscape of Tamriel. The rise of a powerful, secular Empire in the West and the instability in Cyrodiil would certainly have drastic affects across the land. We would have to decide exactly what happened at the end of KSS. Did the Confederation survive? did the Domination ravage Hammerfell? ect. ect.

I understand Crimsons position on not wanting the Confederation to be completely dissolved, but at the same time I can't imagine it being able to stand up to the might of the Yokudan Empire. This is all why I was all for a Siege RP, and it may just be me being over confident, but I don't think if we played it out that the Siege would go as Crimson invisoned it.

I'd love a Morrowind RP, but I'm also super excited about a Cyrodiil RP.

[Angela Woods]

I'm not saying Taneth will withstand the siege, but I imagine it'll be a phyrric victory, as wiping out 15,000 defenders isn't easy to do without taking greater casualties. It may even be possible that they'll no longer have the manpower to take Rihad. Or rather, they wouldn't, if Commander Terentius didn't decide to leave Hammerfell with both his and half of Commander Vario's knights. I'm also thinking of letting Commander Vario die in the siege, only to return as a very incensed spirit in the Priory Undercroft, like the old KotN.

Part of me thinks that I'd do better getting the desired result by stubbornly demanding that the Knights win until you offer to settle the debate by offering a phyrric Yokudan victory.

[gemma king]

I'm not saying Taneth will withstand the siege, but I imagine it'll be a phyrric victory, as wiping out 15,000 defenders isn't easy to do without taking greater casualties. It may even be possible that they'll no longer have the manpower to take Rihad. Or rather, they wouldn't, if Commander Terentius didn't decide to leave Hammerfell with both his and half of Commander Vario's knights. I'm also thinking of letting Commander Vario die in the siege, only to return as a very incensed spirit in the Priory Undercroft, like the old KotN.

Part of me thinks that I'd do better getting the desired result by stubbornly demanding that the Knights win until you offer to settle the debate by offering a phyrric Yokudan victory.

My own overblown ego and idea of myself as a great armchair general simply refuses to allow me to capitulate to such thing. Story and I have been planning complete and total Yokudan victory over Hammerfell for years now, and I've been developing the siege for quite awhile as well. While no plan is full proof, I'm too confidant in our eventual victory to settle for anything less. Perhapse I could compile a mock run of the siege itself, since it doesn't look like we're going to inact it, to show you just what I mean and you could offer up counters to our 'would be' advance.

[Alexis Estrada]

My own overblown ego and idea of myself as a great armchair general simply refuses to allow me to capitulate to such thing. Story and I have been planning complete and total Yokudan victory over Hammerfell for years now, and I've been developing the siege for quite awhile as well. While no plan is full proof, I'm too confidant in our eventual victory to settle for anything less. Perhapse I could compile a mock run of the siege itself, since it doesn't look like we're going to inact it, to show you just what I mean and you could offer up counters to our 'would be' advance.

No offense, but the first time I read this I thought you were joking. I'm not trying to get the Knights to eventually win, I want a decent result that doesn't reek of ubering, advanced artillery tactics (despite the fact that Sentinel hasn't used them that much. I'll concede this only if you allow Taneth to have been rebuilt as a Star Fort after the Camoran Usurper leveled it) and obvious favoritism.

[Lauren Graves]

No offence taken, but no I'm not joking. If theres one thing has kept my rapt attention it is military stratagy and I've put alot of time and study into it, stretching over various time periods and methods. As for the cannons, again, you guys are killing me with the constant blabber on cannons. I've said it once, and I'll say it yet again, the cannons ARE NOT the focal point of our campain, it never has and never will, and I say this at risk of revealing too much of my siege plans. Its great that you all seem to think that becuase we have cannons that we're going to use them to uber steam roll the opposition, and in fact that overblown assumtion works great to my advantage, but I'll once again reiterate that cannons ARE NOT going to be used to even a fraction of what's been implied.

As for the Star Fort, I don't really care though it makes little sense to me for Taneth to have been built in that design prior to the advent of cannons being used in open warfare. The Italian's first came up with the idea to counteract the increased use of cannons during sieges but even then wasn't even adapted in full until Charles invaded Itally. The Star Fort's design is meant directly to counteract cannon fire as well as make it difficult for attackers to advance without being struck by fire. However, I'm more than willing to agree to it since IB's design is already in Star shape for what I have in store wont matter too terribly much.

[Jesus Duran]

I'm all for a Siege RP actually. I have a feeling even if it's just 5 of us we'll post just for the battle. Honestly I just need a map and someone to have some focal points of what happened, I have the plot pretty much written and just needs a little editing.

As for Taneth's shape, the basic principle behind it is that since Taneth got over run badly by Cameron and they used the stone near by to make the city a well defendable fortress. The whole scenario or "catch phrase" of the RP would be something along the lines of an unstoppable force meeting an immovable object. I can see how some may have quips about the shape. A star fort more or less renders cannon fire fairly ineffective. The OTHER tactic would also run into problems considering the structure of the city itself. In any case there are plenty of things that "don't mesh well" that we can knit pick about but we just roll with it. Star fort shape is just another one of those things. I hope to make this aspect something unique to Taneth and its history, not going to see star forts popping up everywhere.

[Mimi BC]

Yet they do have a reason to have redesigned their city to be resistant to magical bombardment, which is something they have experienced. I imagine when doing so they'd also take the Crowns' cannons into mind, because Taneth is a Forbear city.

Another thing: the people of Tamriel don't have the same progression of war that the real world has. And no offense, but basing your strategy on the most intelligent military decisions carried out in real history could be seen as ubering.

That aside, IB and I have much, much more than just anti-artillery planned. In fact, I think there's some stuff he has planned that even I don't know about. Likewise, I've ideas that I've not bothered to propose to either you or him, simply because I consider them to be too mean-spirited.

Edit: Unfortunately, looking at it, I suspect a Taneth siege RP will end up being very mean-spirited.